extra pay to the jobs available right away

[Nine09]

The economy of the city is getting higher and higher and the jobs that you could get straight away are not providing us with enough money to live a sustained life.

 

The government jobs require you to have some sort of clean record otherwise you are not going to get a job position, yet the city jobs that are available right away are not giving enough pay that most of the citizens are ending up doing crime.

 

The other available jobs that can give some decent pay are the farmer and the miner yet the risks are high and could get you robbed or even killed. 

 

If the city gov really wants to cut down on the crime rate then they should seriously consider giving more money to the legal jobs and cut down on the value of the narcotics. 

 

It takes approx 10-15minutes ((IRL)) to drive the bus and get paid $800 so in one hour it you'll earn $4800 approx 

So you'll need to drive the bus for a total of 40 hours ((IRL)) to earn 192k and that could open yourself to an opportunity to get a property with 1G.  

I want to play and have fun in the game but such a long time to build a life at the city makes things very hard.

 

I would love to play in a way where I could get my property and I could get my car and work say 20% of the duration of which I am playing the game and spend the other 80% in the session socialising and having fun with people, right now I get on for a couple of hours and all I'm doing is avoiding getting robbed whilst trying to earn peanut money to save up for a property that I will get in about 5 months ((IRL))

[Jimmy Pegorino]

9 minutes ago, Nine09 said:

The economy of the city is getting higher and higher and the jobs that you could get straight away are not providing us with enough money to live a sustained life.

 

The government jobs require you to have some sort of clean record otherwise you are not going to get a job position, yet the city jobs that are available right away are not giving enough pay that most of the citizens are ending up doing crime.

 

The other available jobs that can give some decent pay are the farmer and the miner yet the risks are high and could get you robbed or even killed. 

 

If the city gov really wants to cut down on the crime rate then they should seriously consider giving more money to the legal jobs and cut down on the value of the narcotics. 

 

It takes approx 10-15minutes ((IRL)) to drive the bus and get paid $800 so in one hour it you'll earn $4800 approx 

So you'll need to drive the bus for a total of 40 hours ((IRL)) to earn 192k and that could open yourself to an opportunity to get a property with 1G.  

I want to play and have fun in the game but such a long time to build a life at the city makes things very hard.

 

I would love to play in a way where I could get my property and I could get my car and work say 20% of the duration of which I am playing the game and spend the other 80% in the session socialising and having fun with people, right now I get on for a couple of hours and all I'm doing is avoiding getting robbed whilst trying to earn peanut money to save up for a property that I will get in about 5 months ((IRL))

Thats what happens you need to earn your money which your doin just one of them things where every one has done

[Nine09]

1 minute ago, DDevastatedTV said:

Thats what happens you need to earn your money which your doin just one of them things where every one has done

Please hear me out.

I am sure we all have a life outside of playing games and as much as I love RP gaming I find it hard to play games in general but I do play when I get the chance and that's usually for 2-3 hours maximum and that's every other day. so say I play for 1 hour just driving and I play 4 times a week it would take me 10 weeks ((IRL) to earn 200k.  that is too much and is stretching things, maybe if the devs decide to give everyone a free property when the move to the city so they can keep their stuff and slowly upgrade then it would make things better. Otherwise right now you are either a police officer or you are a criminal, there is no middle ground.

[Aldarine]

There are plenty of people who live basic civilian lives as a middle ground. If you are consistently grinding for money and are unhappy with that then I advise you to take a step back and look at how you are spending your time. This is not a grind simulator by any means. You can partake in RP at any moment in time, you are just directing most of yours at making money to buy property. Adding higher pay would only create inflation and you will be in the same position, nothing will change. "First available" jobs already pay decently to provide citizens with the means to buy necessities. Also, the value of drugs should in no way go down, that would all but cripple criminals who, in my opinion, need avenues for higher profit (of course at the expense of more time spent on these money making activities).

Overall -1 from me

[Nine09]

7 minutes ago, Aldarine said:

There are plenty of people who live basic civilian lives as a middle ground. If you are consistently grinding for money and are unhappy with that then I advise you to take a step back and look at how you are spending your time. This is not a grind simulator by any means. You can partake in RP at any moment in time, you are just directing most of yours at making money to buy property. Adding higher pay would only create inflation and you will be in the same position, nothing will change. "First available" jobs already pay decently to provide citizens with the means to buy necessities. Also, the value of drugs should in no way go down, that would all but cripple criminals who, in my opinion, need avenues for higher profit (of course at the expense of more time spent on these money making activities).

Overall -1 from me

You are confirming my point, the main two jobs in this city are either being a drug dealer or a police officer. if the jobs included more pay and reduced the risk of having drug dealers and criminals in general the game would be different.

[Aldarine]

5 minutes ago, Nine09 said:

You are confirming my point, the main two jobs in this city are either being a drug dealer or a police officer. if the jobs included more pay and reduced the risk of having drug dealers and criminals in general the game would be different.

I'm unsure how you see this as confirming your point. Nowhere did I state that there are two main jobs in the city - for reference I work as EMS and know people in all factions as well as non-faction members who get along just fine. The jobs don't need more pay, they provide enough already especially when compared to payouts for faction members who are held to high standards and oversight. Inflation is the last thing we need with the current state of the economy. Your inability to save enough to purchase property has nothing to do with job pay. If job pay goes up, prices go up, that's how it works. Just like in real life you have to work hard to make money to purchase things. Property, cars, etc. are a luxury not a necessity. 

[Freclan]

Fairly certain someone worked out the maths and postal/money transporter jobs earn more than the 5 grand average that legal faction members get paid.

Plus I'm currently a police officer and by your own maths you are earning more than me as a bus driver.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Freclan

[Marca]

Script jobs pay pretty well actually. There's also passive income you get, which in itself is more than enough to pay for food/water. Increasing their payouts would just result in more inflation and higher prices in the future, solving nothing really.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Marca

[Jasmine]

Yah not sure where your math is coming from, the scripted jobs all make 6500-10k an hour (if you count farming) without farming, 8k for fishing.

I do agree civ pay needs a bump, but the bump should be to gov factions.
Illegal jobs don't get taxed, but gov jobs do.

After taxes I make 5500 an hour as an assistant manager with a clean record and a whole hell of a lot of hours and time put into Civ RP.
I am a pretty dedicated Civ RPr, but am considering quitting my manger position and picking up crime activity myself.

Which saddens me greatly.

[Nine09]

6 hours ago, Freclan said:

Fairly certain someone worked out the maths and postal/money transporter jobs earn more than the 5 grand average that legal faction members get paid.

Plus I'm currently a police officer and by your own maths you are earning more than me as a bus driver.

Yes but how much more fun and engaging is it to be an officer than a bus driver hitting the same route every time non stop for the whole 40 hours. These jobs are  boring jobs and don't have much rp engagement in them so adding more pay would add an incentive. 

Look at @Jasmine's reply and you'll understand how this looks like. What about for the first few hours of doing a job as a new player you get a massive bonus just so that the player is able to build a life for him/herself and then cut that out.

 

I have seen other places that will give a free car and a free small house just to build yourself up and after a while they're removed

[Hilbert]

"In economics, inflation is a sustained increase in the general price level of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services; consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy." -Wikipedia

-1, let's not create inflation

[Malcolm Carter]

1 hour ago, Hilbert said:

"In economics, inflation is a sustained increase in the general price level of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services; consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy." -Wikipedia

-1, let's not create inflation

and generally wages rise in line with inflation

[CaesarSeizure]

The thing is, that only housing prices are going up. Fuel at this point is really cheap across all stations, food and drink are stagnant, cars cost the same (if not cheaper due to competition), etc - you get what i mean. Only housing goes up, but that is due to more people and less housing aka low supply and high demand as housing is finite while everything else is not.

While this is a game, it is also RP, it is not meant that a person shows up, plays for 5h and buys a house. If you just up the pay of the default jobs, you would just push everything up. Someone would still play more than you, make more money and the houses would still be bought up and sold for even more.

Lastly, while i do feel that in an RP sense each choice of work should have its values, but some jobs do require more skill and commitment so there is no reason why a job that requires no skill should pay as much. And you need a clean record, so either commit to crime and make money or commit to not breaking the law and go into official faction jobs, but honestly, doing part time crime and creating an easy way for criminals to get more money should not be how it goes.

[Nine09]

19 hours ago, Hilbert said:

"In economics, inflation is a sustained increase in the general price level of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services; consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy." -Wikipedia

-1, let's not create inflation

Inflation increases due to the government requesting and creating more money via bonds system and therefore the reserve banks add more money which is then added to the economy and with more money flowing the value of things naturally adds up. In this game money is being generated through legal jobs which are limited to the amount of time you spend but with a game where the player is able to go and generate so much wealth from making narcotics then the game will be heavily imbalanced due to the criminals owning everything and the commoners are stuck paying $500 for a burger.

[Hilbert]

1 hour ago, Nine09 said:

Inflation increases due to the government requesting and creating more money via bonds system and therefore the reserve banks add more money which is then added to the economy and with more money flowing the value of things naturally adds up. In this game money is being generated through legal jobs which are limited to the amount of time you spend but with a game where the player is able to go and generate so much wealth from making narcotics then the game will be heavily imbalanced due to the criminals owning everything and the commoners are stuck paying $500 for a burger.

You know criminals don't make that much money. It's risky job. Most likely the labs all raided by the police or you will get robbed. There are also cheaper stores, you just gotta know the places. However, This is game, not real life. This is how you make inflation. Raising the salaries would raise the price of that burger since people have more money. Raising salaries wouldn't solve anything.

I'd say we gotta lower import prices for those burgers and add more houses.

[Nine09]

16 hours ago, Hilbert said:

You know criminals don't make that much money. It's risky job. Most likely the labs all raided by the police or you will get robbed. There are also cheaper stores, you just gotta know the places. However, This is game, not real life. This is how you make inflation. Raising the salaries would raise the price of that burger since people have more money. Raising salaries wouldn't solve anything.

I'd say we gotta lower import prices for those burgers and add more houses.

I understand what you mean, as it's been a few days now I've realised that my only prime issue is being unable to have a place where I could store my stuff, having to carry things on you is dangerous and storing everything you own in your car is also ineffective. Being forced to spend so many hours into an rp game just to be able to get a property is very demeaning because I personally want to be able to rp myself into fun and exciting situations and not allowing the game to feel like a chore whenever I play just to reach a good living standard.

 

I understand how the game works and we are trying to make it a real place but spending weekly high rent is huge extortion, maybe if the gov started providing cheaper housing for a good period of time whilst someone is able to build a bank balance that would be healthier in rp dynamics.

[Hilbert]

9 hours ago, Nine09 said:

I understand what you mean, as it's been a few days now I've realised that my only prime issue is being unable to have a place where I could store my stuff, having to carry things on you is dangerous and storing everything you own in your car is also ineffective. Being forced to spend so many hours into an rp game just to be able to get a property is very demeaning because I personally want to be able to rp myself into fun and exciting situations and not allowing the game to feel like a chore whenever I play just to reach a good living standard.

 

I understand how the game works and we are trying to make it a real place but spending weekly high rent is huge extortion, maybe if the gov started providing cheaper housing for a good period of time whilst someone is able to build a bank balance that would be healthier in rp dynamics.

Government just can't tell us to sell our houses cheaper, it doesn't work like that. The prices are based on supply and demand, there aren't too much houses for sale, so the ones that are for sale are expensive. I've seen people buy a cheap car to store their stuff, and always keep the car in parking lot.

I make around 30k week and I have fun, it's just how you do it. You can have interesting rp while working.