Cops and LEOs shooting on sight.

[RJThompson]

Hey i think this has needed to be brought up for awhile now, because its beginning to become LEO can deathmatch any criminal in the area of a gun fight.

Again this isn't aimed at any department in general, its not to make this into a argument and id hope it gets archived if a argument comes up hopefully.

 

Id like to throw a few situations out there that iv experienced recently

1. Me and 2 friends were rolling when we fought empire at Boat lab, it went into the city and shots were fired and we was looting the people we killed when Jessica_Nash was shooting us(understandable as a friend shot towards her thinking she was empire) but then SD pull up as if they are a gang, ram our vehicle so we cant leave and shoots and injures us and then shoots Jessica_Nash and gets into a fire fight with her... which shows the extent of how they just wanna shoot anything that walks near a "shots fired"

 

2. We was fighting OTF at quarry and we killed them, we looted and tried to leave when SD hopped out shot everyone in the area when someone was there that didn't even shoot. and just shot anything that walked when I know we didn't even aim or shoot at them. when is that ever realistic? show me when gang shootout breaks out, and then when its gone silent that cops pull up and shoot all the gang members because they have guns on them. 

 

Ways we can make this better is: Give demands to drop weapons, by megaphone or shouting. or to at least give a chance for the criminal to surrender and have the chance to rp or give fair chance to both parties. because the getting injured and going md sometimes takes up to 30 mins to a hour. which is (if someone had plat VIP) half the sentence. which is longed out. (again that doesn't happen every time or often but still happens)

 

Again this aint a dig at anyone, purely a way to make it more fun for criminals because even if we fight in the corner of the map. cops still show up and they will still shoot you even if your in a car driving away from a shot fired scene. i play both sides and even i think its excessive and not realistic. 

 

this doesn't apply to cops pulling up to a situation where active shots are fired and gunfight is still ongoing and they need to injure to preserve lives.

 

hope everyone that reads this understands and doesn't turn into a crim vs cop debate.... 

[RustyOsprey2]

To be honest, i can see this as well. In the few amount of fights ive been in, it does appear that cops more act like a gang with legal rights to be in fights. Now this is not all police, but quite a few appear to minimally care about RP and more just want to shoot.

[AnakinB]

aye bro hate to say it but theres a reason why a majority of failed criminals go to PD, not tryna be toxic but theres a major reason 

[Clank]

16 minutes ago, AnakinB said:

aye bro hate to say it but theres a reason why a majority of failed criminals go to PD, not tryna be toxic but theres a major reason 

trueee i remember a certain sd trainee i think his failed crim character rhymed with mannequin he SUCKED

 

this is sarcastic and the person i am replying to is my friend please ecrp staff team if you can read this i am joking

[AnakinB]

1 hour ago, Clank said:

trueee i remember a certain sd trainee i think his failed crim character rhymed with mannequin he SUCKED

 

this is sarcastic and the person i am replying to is my friend please ecrp staff team if you can read this i am joking

Im the only real crim on the server 

[ArcAngel]

11 hours ago, RJThompson said:

1. Me and 2 friends were rolling when we fought empire at Boat lab, it went into the city and shots were fired and we was looting the people we killed when Jessica_Nash was shooting us(understandable as a friend shot towards her thinking she was empire) but then SD pull up as if they are a gang, ram our vehicle so we cant leave and shoots and injures us and then shoots Jessica_Nash and gets into a fire fight with her... which shows the extent of how they just wanna shoot anything that walks near a "shots fired"

Hey! Jessica Nash here, you can remove this as an example. As much as SD are in our JURO a lot atm, this time, I was eternally grateful. I was minding my business in the VERY early hours of the morning when shots were wizzing past my car. I thought i was being DMed if i'm honest. Turn around, a street away, there is a massive shootout. I dismount and hide behind my car, drop 3 panics and start opening fire as i'm shot at. SD rocks up and saves my ass. Jessica Nash was eternally grateful, whilst she managed to down two, if SD didn't show up, she'd surely have been killed.

[Clank]

1 hour ago, AnakinB said:

Im the only real crim on the server 

same

[Harveyyy]

Why is it expected from cops to give demands to someone who just committed a violent felony? It doesn’t make rp sense for police to sit there and ask you to surrender lmao of course youre not going to. They are not 3rd party-ing the fight my dude, they’re doing their job.. they’re not criminals. 
In terms of server rules, the DM rule aims to protect players from being randomly attacked, as in without knowing why they were attacked. If you kill someone or involve yourself in a mass shootout, I’m sure you would know why you got lit up.

[Saint_]

If you’re running around with a gun out or actively shooting obviously law enforcement is going to shoot you. That’s their purpose, to stop criminals from doing crime….  If you don’t have a gun out and you get shot that’s different for sure. But the idea that PD/SD should enter a shootout and shout hands or die then wait to get shot at simply doesn’t make sense. Pd/sd interjecting into a shootout isn’t an issue, it’s a part of the server

What harveyyy said is probably the most sensible thing he’s ever put on forums.

(Harveyyy is a homie, no toxicity!!!)

Edited April 16, 2025 by Saint_

[Eliza]

I also hate when cops do their job by shooting me when I’m doing violent felonies

[Bala]

8 hours ago, AnakinB said:

Im the only real crim on the server 

BASED.

[DaMasterSplinter]

This is real life bro its not a game, its not like we need to create roleplay. You have been spoted doing felonies and trying to evade the scene we shoot because you are a criminal. If you dont want to be shot then dont do crime! 


Nice try RJ, better luck next time!

As you said it is true that sometimes it happens, it really depends if the LEO in front wants to rp or not. I murdered someone and got shot by cops, then hopped in the car and started evading, not a single shot fired at me (during the chase) and I gave them a good chase before getting rammed by a truck. It was fun for everyone.

[Bala]

31 minutes ago, DaMasterSplinter said:

This is real life bro its not a game, its not like we need to create roleplay. You have been spoted doing felonies and trying to evade the scene we shoot because you are a criminal. If you dont want to be shot then dont do crime! 


Nice try RJ, better luck next time!

As you said it is true that sometimes it happens, it really depends if the LEO in front wants to rp or not. I murdered someone and got shot by cops, then hopped in the car and started evading, not a single shot fired at me (during the chase) and I gave them a good chase before getting rammed by a truck. It was fun for everyone.

Except the poor bastard you murdered

[RJThompson]

8 hours ago, Harveyyy said:

Why is it expected from cops to give demands to someone who just committed a violent felony? It doesn’t make rp sense for police to sit there and ask you to surrender lmao of course youre not going to. They are not 3rd party-ing the fight my dude, they’re doing their job.. they’re not criminals. 
In terms of server rules, the DM rule aims to protect players from being randomly attacked, as in without knowing why they were attacked. If you kill someone or involve yourself in a mass shootout, I’m sure you would know why you got lit up.

because again, in these situations, they dont JUST shoot at the dude who committed a violent felony. they shoot at everything in the vicinity of the shootout. i specifically said "this ISNT aimed at the cops witnessing and shooting when shots are still fired and they can assure the people they are shooting, did indeed shoot"  

[PopTarts]

Hey! For point 2, I was actually involved and the one to shoot you. I'm not sure if you have the full context of our involvement as SD, but we were right on the border of the shots, waiting for backup, and saw you shoot your compact rifle, finishing a player. I'm not sure what you expected us to do in this situation other than shoot to stop you from committing any further violent felonies, such as murder. If I'm not mistaken the player you are referring to also had a heavy weapon on his back involved in the shooting, wearing the same gang-affiliated clothing.

I can't speak for the first situation as I have no involvement, but your own words were "this doesn't apply to cops pulling up to a situation where active shots are fired and gunfight is still ongoing and they need to injure to preserve lives." which the second situation you listed was an exact example of.

I'm all for fairness with criminals, I have played on both sides also and understand how things can turn out. However, your suggestion or topic of discussion is to, I feel, give criminals a pass on the consequences for their actions while involving themselves in violent felonies. At the end of the day, if police see you finishing people or firing heavy weaponry, they're not going to give you a chance to A) shoot back at them or B) give you a chance to escape to commit further murder. 

I'm not a fan of using the term "realistic" when discussing roleplay on the server as mentioned in your post, it's very easy to have your own bias of what is realistic and what is not. But if police show up to an active shooter irl they are not going to hesitate to take you down or use force against your vehicle if you attempt to flee such a violent crime in my opinion.  While I see no issue discussing the matter and possibly allowing for some leeway with giving criminals a chance, I don't feel there should be any restriction for LEO's in the DM rule as it stands they have in-character motive to neutralise. 

[alexalex303]

1 hour ago, DaMasterSplinter said:

As you said it is true that sometimes it happens, it really depends if the LEO in front wants to rp or not. I murdered someone and got shot by cops, then hopped in the car and started evading, not a single shot fired at me (during the chase) and I gave them a good chase before getting rammed by a truck. It was fun for everyone.

Do you believe that an LEO shooting your character and injuring it is not roleplay?

[RJThompson]

8 hours ago, ArcAngel said:

Hey! Jessica Nash here, you can remove this as an example. As much as SD are in our JURO a lot atm, this time, I was eternally grateful. I was minding my business in the VERY early hours of the morning when shots were wizzing past my car. I thought i was being DMed if i'm honest. Turn around, a street away, there is a massive shootout. I dismount and hide behind my car, drop 3 panics and start opening fire as i'm shot at. SD rocks up and saves my ass. Jessica Nash was eternally grateful, whilst she managed to down two, if SD didn't show up, she'd surely have been killed.

Again, the situation was fine. the point i was making was SD shooting at you and hitting you because they dont make sure who they are shooting are who they are supposed to shoot. and thats my only point, again i cant stress this enough. shooting people you witness or have witnessed shoot people mins before it perfectly okay! but atleast make sure who your shooting is not your fellow LEO or someone who is just in the area! 

[Harveyyy]

9 minutes ago, RJThompson said:

because again, in these situations, they dont JUST shoot at the dude who committed a violent felony. they shoot at everything in the vicinity of the shootout. i specifically said "this ISNT aimed at the cops witnessing and shooting when shots are still fired and they can assure the people they are shooting, did indeed shoot" 

You wouldn't be in the area unless you're involved, and by area, I mean within close proximity of the shootout. A sensible person who doesn't wanna get shot at would leave the area as soon as shots are heard. You're just painting them as clappers who just wanna shoot anything and everything. 

[RJThompson]

7 minutes ago, PopTarts said:

Hey! For point 2, I was actually involved and the one to shoot you. I'm not sure if you have the full context of our involvement as SD, but we were right on the border of the shots, waiting for backup, and saw you shoot your compact rifle, finishing a player. I'm not sure what you expected us to do in this situation other than shoot to stop you from committing any further violent felonies, such as murder. If I'm not mistaken the player you are referring to also had a heavy weapon on his back involved in the shooting, wearing the same gang-affiliated clothing.

Indeed, my ass deserved to get smoked. as said in my original post. a friend in that fight didnt fire a bullet, yes he was in gang affiliated clothing. but to ASSUME he shot and gun him down isnt exactly fair and you saying it is, is clear bias towards your main rp character. to not give him a chance to escape and to mow him down sounds like a win-mentality brother. again this isnt a argument this is just me seeing things from a different perspective and im not saying what anyone did in either situation is wrong or breaking server/faction rules! 

[RJThompson]

12 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

You wouldn't be in the area unless you're involved, and by area, I mean within close proximity of the shootout. A sensible person who doesn't wanna get shot at would leave the area as soon as shots are heard. You're just painting them as clappers who just wanna shoot anything and everything. 

Okay, lets use the logic "you cant go to rival gang hqs because rply there would be loads of gang members there" or "you cant rob someone in a public place because rply theres people from the public there". why is that not used when a cop shoots at everything in the proximity of a shootout because rply there would be loads of people in the area. again it seems all the cops that replied doesn't experience this and are completely bias and instead of seeing it from other peoples point of view see it as "you commit crime, you get blasted even if we dont see you commit then crime. if your in the area your getting smoked". i didnt say they are anything like clappers. but..... think we all remember alistair carter straight dm'ing me because i edged away from him, he shot because he wanted to shoot. he shot because he could, again i wont paint that same image on every cop. or even 98% of cops. but its the point. 

 

This wasnt meant to be a argument, it was meant to be a thing that i was hopefully seeing to get implemented because its not fun to finish a shoot out and get silently smoked by cops. waste a hour on medical and getting into a tarv and getting transported and 3 hours in jail. because again, remember this is a game, we all just wanna have fun. id rather put my hands up, get into the car and start my sentence. 

 

Also, its very fun rp for cops to shoot at crims, defo in these situations. and im NOT SAYING YOUR DOING ANYTHING WRONG. but again, this was a suggestion to make this fun for both parties. because you silently mowing everyone down is fun for you. but if you wanna make it so everyone "leave the rp situation happy" like it states on the faction, then mowing them down aint gonna make them leave the situation happy, its a GTA server. all im asking is a simple "LSPD or LSSD PUT YOUR WEAPONS DOWN OR YOU WILL BE NEAUTRALIZED" and it would make a cool stand off and youd probably get a fun rp situation out of it!

Edited April 16, 2025 by RJThompson

[Clank]

2 hours ago, RJThompson said:

"you cant go to rival gang hqs because rply there would be loads of gang members there"

Thats the problem to begin with, there should be no artificial "Fear RP" imposed on players. If you're part of GANG A and you go to GANG B's HQ. If nobody is there, then you should not be "afraid" as if there is a presence. 

 

I'm not saying that this is your fault or anyones fault BUT if this level of "artificial fear rp" is being enforced on gangs then I'm saying THAT is the problem and it should be looked into. It just make's the roleplay feel so forced and scripted.

Edited April 16, 2025 by Clank

[RJThompson]

7 minutes ago, Clank said:

Thats the problem to begin with, there should be no artificial "Fear RP" imposed on players. If you're part of GANG A and you go to GANG B's HQ. If nobody is there, then you should not be "afraid" as if there is a presence. 

i COMPLETELY agree, artificial rp as you said is forced upon us. 

 

this whole thread was to see both sides as iv only had my cop alt for 2 months now, maybe im completely wrong in suggesting more fun rp rather then just shooting at crim after they have concluded their shootout. im just here to get opinions! 

[Hubie]

you all need to lock in and realize, no matter how many threads and discussions you make regarding LEOS, nothing will come from it. LEO is and always will be favorited no matter what happens, always how's it been. Wake up.

[Quietthecutie]

I think we need to remember the golden rule of DM is "everyone should know why they are getting shot at."

If you are a criminal in an active shootout, and cops roll in. you already know why you are going to get shot at. because cops have just responded to a shootout and have no idea whats going on, whos shooting who. all they know is they are entering an area of significant danger. Lights and sirens go up. if you do not stop what you are doing and throw your hands up immediately. you are fair game by DM rules.

That said, SOP still applies, and there can and have been IC consequences for cops shooting too often and too quick. This is public info on the gov website and you can see the suspensions and dishonourable discharges that come with this.

once more, LEOs are not another "gang" that has to shout DM rights at you before they engage. they engage because they already have reason to. what you do after that is up to you.

Edited April 17, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[RJThompson]

18 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

think we need to remember the golden rule of DM is "everyone should know why they are getting shot at."

again, i didnt say its DM. i say its not fun for criminals to get blasted without chance of escape, again im NOT saying they are doing anything wrong. its simply a suggestion that would make the server more fun for crims when cops turn up to 95% of shootouts. just seems everyone is getting defensive and giving reasons why its okay to shoot on sight rather then understanding its not fun for crims and remember its only a game to have fun on and if a player base says something is unfun. hopefully people can come to understanding!