A question about Gross RP rule

[Diligo]

I write this post in honor of the community that collectively made the decision to change Gross RP rules regards to SA especially towards women.
Seeing that people can collectively come and change roleplay for the better makes me happy and hopeful for this discussion because in the end of the day we are here to have fun and not to be reminded of daily lives monstrosities

The question about Gross RP rule is more so about criminal side of it. And specifically kidnapping RP which leads to Gross RP sometimes
which unexpectedly to me leads to slavery roleplay

This might sound funny to some later on the post especially those that don't know but the literal definition of slavery that
anyone can look up is - unpaid labour or workers paid the bare minimum (allowed to live, food for the day and maybe shelter to cover from rain)
And I have encountered people who think that slavery roleplay is good roleplay and should be in the server.

I come from a country that has been oppressed since there were records of people living there (Latvia)
and only has comparetively quite recently regained independence (1991) if you look up, the history of our country is quite depressing. But this is no pity post, I just want you to know mine and few of my friends` backgrounds.

So the encounters are basically pretty simple, someone rolls up, tells me and/or my friends to put up our hands.
Then they proceed to tell us to continue what we were already doing (planting/chopping cars) while they watch the area and hold guns at us and afterwards they take the valuables.
While we do this they constantly mock us and spit on us and call us bad words. One time it was more than 37 minutes long mockery and humiliation.

This would all be okay if they would have asked for our consent stated per rules, but they never had. And these are multiple instances
I know where to make reports, I understood how this would look in the eyes of newcomers so I refrained from posting but rather headed to faction management for help.

So I don't want to name any names, those people know who they are but the important thing is why do they do this?

And it got me thinking - is this the result of some restrictions on what is allowed under the Gross RP rule?
I understand that roleplay isnt all fun and sunshine, but when I think about when it is not sunshine I dont want to be reminded of what my ancestors went through.
I want to see how I lose firefights, how relationships between factions end, betrayal and stuff that is mentally bearable.

Why is slavery roleplay allowed? The encounters I described are by the definition slavery.
There are multiple ways to make fun of other gang/organization that has wronged you especially when they have their hands up.
Are all the other roleplay possibilities so over-roleplayed that the only thing that excites people now is disgusting humiliation and enslaving people?
And if so, why is that?

I started asking the question myself - when it is not anymore roleplay but more so personal OOC thing? Because roleplay is acting. You are acting a role. And every time you have people with their hands up - slavery and humiliation is the only option?

Aren`t we all here to have fun? Or are we here to let out our frustrations from daily life?
I play here for the good roleplay which is not always win win, actually mostly I lose, but that`s okay.
When I lose do I need to be reminded of how vile people can become?

I want to know your thoughts.

Edited December 5, 2024 by Nikolia

[David Coast]

I disagree with the argument that "slavery RP" should be banned unless it involves racism or explicit behavior. In a criminal RP setting, power dynamics, control, and forced labor can be realistic elements of certain storylines. Criminals forcing others into work or using intimidation isn't really (and shouldn't be) Gross RP in my opinion, It just sounds like you don't want to pick plants.

This has never happened to me, and I’ve never seen it, but I’m sure if you PM the people doing things that make you uncomfortable and say, "This is making me uncomfortable, can you stop?" (assuming they’re doing something genuinely bothering you), they might actually stop. A lot of players don’t communicate and rush straight to the forums, so instead of doing that, why not try talking? That way, everyone can enjoy the experience.

As long as it’s not racially motivated or overly graphic, I don’t see a problem with it. Not every RP situation needs to be positive, and some players seek darker scenarios. The key is maintaining a level of respect for players OOC and ensuring that the line is drawn when it becomes offensive beyond the game. 
 

[Ranger]

In my opinion,

The only issue I see in this is being held for too long, but that should, could, and in the past has been worked out between players in past situations.

It's a reach for you to state that being told to finish chopping cars or planting weed at a lab by rival criminals (on a video game RP server) is "slavery" in the same context as past slavery experiences in multiple countries where the victims faced constant abuse (physical and verbal), racial/nationality-based discrimination, and terrible conditions which may have (or has) resulted in their deaths due to said conditions; some truly evil stuff.

You were at a lab chopping and planting, got caught lacking by others, and the other criminals opted to make you finish chopping the car and planting/picking the weed you had there so they could ensure that they wouldn't be rolled up on and attacked - this isn't slavery to the extent that you're trying to push the narrative to be, it's someone making you finish the job so they can leave without risk of you doing anything.

[PufferBulletin]

Just my 2 cents that no one asked.

I do not see an issue with rolling a lab and forcing someone to finish the job and hand over the goods, although I could understand the frustration while ''slaving'' away 30 minutes of your time and being ridiculed of doing so throughout the scene, which a lot of the times feels OOC mockery (lets be real there is OOC rivalry which should never be a thing)

I feel the RP should be enjoyable for both sides to an extent, but I'd imagine in these situations people can hardly keep their head straight.

We are all playing on this server for one goal - to have fun, and the fun comes from us being a community and it shouldn't be felt that people are trying to push you out of the server, as who will be left? The Covid boom has passed influx of the new players has slowed down, we should try to aim to keep everyone on the server to have fun.

Edited December 5, 2024 by PufferBulletin

[Bala]

There was nothing gross about what happened to you and putting things like this on the naughty list would only serve to further sanitize the role-play experience, to a degree where it starts to become debatable whether anything negative can happen to you or not. 

End of the day, sometimes you are the one doing the punking and sometimes you're the punk. Something like sexual assault (which has no place, either in the action or the threat, on this server) doesn't belong even in the same topic as whatever this was and if you being made to chop a vehicle by someone at gun point is hard for you, I dunno what to tell you.

I disagree with the guy above and what he said about the RP should be enjoyable, because i think people take that to mean they should get a positive out of it too. What the RP should actually be, is engaging and emotive. Fear and shame are emotions.

You decided to make the decision to live outside the confines of the law and you paid for it. You should feel good, you did something to help someone else! 

[Diligo]

I am using the definition of the word slavery which is unpaid labour.
I know people get it confused, but that is slavery and if you want historical context you don`t need it, because it is happening still in the modern times.
If anything having slavery roleplay in this server of any sort is mocking the historical slavery that people had to endure and probably is grounds for racism. Which again is a bannable offense. (in the encounters I mentioned people even mocked the african-american slavery and made jokes out of it, but again that is not the topic here so dont focus in on it)

The part you guys missed is the mockery and humiliation. Of course if a person roleplaying on this server likes to be dominated then sure go ahead.
But that is a fetish and fetishes are taboo and should be kept private. Same goes for ERP.

You guys saying right now that it isn`t a big deal and consent should not be asked OOCly beforehand, makes me wonder what should happen to change your minds because clearly it is a subjective topic.

I am myself am not against that kind of roleplay because you guys said that it is just picking plants, in truth it is, if you dont count in the humiliation from VOIP that comes with it, but my idea is that we should ask for OOC consent before doing anything like this.

And Bala, keep on being yourself, buddy, love ya

[Asbo]

2 hours ago, Nikolia said:

likes to be dominated

 

[Eliza]

5 hours ago, Bala said:

There was nothing gross about what happened to you and putting things like this on the naughty list would only serve to further sanitize the role-play experience, to a degree where it starts to become debatable whether anything negative can happen to you or not. 

 

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[OBESE]

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I disagree with the argument that "slavery RP" should be banned unless it involves racism or explicit behavior. In a criminal RP setting, power dynamics, control, and forced labor can be realistic elements of certain storylines. Criminals forcing others into work or using intimidation isn't really (and shouldn't be) Gross RP in my opinion, It just sounds like you don't want to pick plants. @David Coast

So who dictates what is Gross RP and what is not? And why would it only matter if there is racism involved? I have always been under impression that the Gross RP rule was to protect people from roleplay scenarios that are triggering and very uncomfortable, therefore I do not understand why this would not qualify as such when you literally have a person the OP who is saying - it's very uncomfortable, I do not appreciate that.

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End of the day, sometimes you are the one doing the punking and sometimes you're the punk. Something like sexual assault (which has no place, either in the action or the threat, on this server) doesn't belong even in the same topic as whatever this was and if you being made to chop a vehicle by someone at gun point is hard for you, I dunno what to tell you. @Bala

I hope you understand that you are possibly disregarding someone's personal traumatising experience just because you feel indifferent to it. If that's how we look at things, then it could be reversed to what you think shouldn't be in the same topic. 

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It's a reach for you to state that being told to finish chopping cars or planting weed at a lab by rival criminals (on a video game RP server) is "slavery" in the same context as past slavery experiences in multiple countries where the victims faced constant abuse (physical and verbal), racial/nationality-based discrimination, and terrible conditions which may have (or has) resulted in their deaths due to said conditions; some truly evil stuff. @Ranger

It's a reach for you to state that being raped by rival criminals (on a video game RP server) is "rape" in the same context as rape experiences in multiple countries where the victims faced constant abuse (physical and verbal), racial/nationality-based discrimination, and terrible conditions which may have (or has) resulted in their deaths due to said conditions; some truly evil stuff. 

Would you agree with the statement above the same as you agree with your statement? Afterall as Bala said "What the RP should actually be, is engaging and emotive. Fear and shame are emotions."

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Before everyone tries to hang me at the nearest lamp post, while the responses of some of the respectable community members are mind-blowing and clearly alarming in my opinion, I'm just playing devils advocate here.

Edited December 6, 2024 by OBESE

[Bala]

I am disregarding his experience, bro had to chop a few vehicles for someone for an hour while he was called some names and then wrote a thesis on it.
I don't feel indifferent to it, it was a longer winded and polite way of telling the guy he was being soft.

We're enough of a carebear server already.

[Diligo]

1 hour ago, Bala said:

I am disregarding his experience, bro had to chop a few vehicles for someone for an hour while he was called some names and then wrote a thesis on it.
I don't feel indifferent to it, it was a longer winded and polite way of telling the guy he was being soft.

We're enough of a carebear server already.

So you are saying that rules against homophobia, sexism and the recent rule change about Sexual Assault is being a "carebear server"?
I dont know about this bro..

[Jellay]

@Nikolia I can't say I've ever had to face any kind of slavery, neither have my past relatives for 100+ years. So I can't possibly understand what emotions this must stir up for you. 

That being said, 
I have to agree with Bala. If racism or any of the other disgusting things are not part of this RP, I don't believe it should fall under Gross RP. I believe the current gross RP rules are fine the way they are. I mean this respectfully, but if we start putting boundaries on anything that could be harmful for a group of people we would be just asking for permission for majority of all roleplay scenarios. We are currently living in a world with many tragedies that could have impact on roleplay, what for example happens if a group of people start saying that guns are making them feel uncomfortable (due to the so many wars) would we have to ask consent on robbery as well? L

Once again, I can't possibly understand how you feel. Yet, I do respectfully disagree with your stance on this. 

@OBESE I agree that we can't disregard the way people feel, yet we have to set boundaries on certain aspects. I believe this to be one of them. 

 

[Bala]

8 hours ago, Nikolia said:

So you are saying that rules against homophobia, sexism and the recent rule change about Sexual Assault is being a "carebear server"?
I dont know about this bro..

Jesus Christ.

There are certain topics and topic areas of roleplay that have absolutely no place being explored, considered or expanded upon, such as but not limited to, rape / sexual assault, racism, homophobia, transphobia etc.

Those things are excluded, in part because they are broad topics which negatively impact some of our community on a daily basis in their personal lives. No black community member needs to come on the server and be called the N word. No gay person needs to come on the server and be called this slur or that slur. Because things being the way things are, they're going to hear that shit offline too.

It's not necessary to have it be a part of a person's roleplay and frankly, there are a lack of people that appreciate the nuances of those topics to be able to do that roleplay in a way that isn't just an excuse to spew hate at people indiscriminately.

We're already a care bear server because of the amount of protection players have, even people playing as criminals before they can be attacked, robbed, shot. That directly references when you were forced to play mechanic at a chop and didn't like it.

Nothing to do with Latvia or modern day slavery, we just got too many people not willing to take a justified L and play the loser in a situation and we don't need more.

[Jokl]

This sounds like something I have done multiple times. (It also have happened to me.)
As a criminal that observe someone chopping a car of great value, why not steal it? Also as a bonus: I dont have to work, someone else can do it for me!!!! Perfect!

Comparing you having to chop a car or two in a game for free, with real slavery where people get physically and mentally abused over a long time is just absurd in my opinion..

When it comes to how you should act during this is fully up to each player as long as they follow the rules! 

I did this with maby 30 min in between once, with 4 different people...the first two was "cool" with it and understood that we caught them with their pants down, so they finished the job, and when we finished we didnt insult them at all, and we gave all their stuff back exept the car parts, then 30 min later we met two guys in north lab that went straight into /b complaining, for so to complain about it ICly and talk shit...they didnt even get to keep their phone batteries when we left...if you dont want to get into situations where you get robbed and forced to do some stuff with a gun pointed at you, eighter get better, or just become legal...

Maby Bala accepts you to PD, you get a salery there so you dont work for free. 

[Diligo]

3 hours ago, Jokl said:

This sounds like something I have done multiple times. (It also have happened to me.)
As a criminal that observe someone chopping a car of great value, why not steal it? Also as a bonus: I dont have to work, someone else can do it for me!!!! Perfect!

Comparing you having to chop a car or two in a game for free, with real slavery where people get physically and mentally abused over a long time is just absurd in my opinion..

When it comes to how you should act during this is fully up to each player as long as they follow the rules! 

I did this with maby 30 min in between once, with 4 different people...the first two was "cool" with it and understood that we caught them with their pants down, so they finished the job, and when we finished we didnt insult them at all, and we gave all their stuff back exept the car parts, then 30 min later we met two guys in north lab that went straight into /b complaining, for so to complain about it ICly and talk shit...they didnt even get to keep their phone batteries when we left...if you dont want to get into situations where you get robbed and forced to do some stuff with a gun pointed at you, eighter get better, or just become legal...

Maby Bala accepts you to PD, you get a salery there so you dont work for free. 

brother, you need a break. you took this too personal. all a discussion, nobody is reporting you, everything is alright!

[Aezeryst]

 

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I disagree with the guy above and what he said about the RP should be enjoyable, because i think people take that to mean they should get a positive out of it too

Honestly sounds like the words of a sociopath, we are here to RP but we shouldnt have to ruin other peoples days just for RP, its a game, we are literally here to have fun, not to be spat on and made to do manual labour for nothing in return other than an unpleasant experience. I will have to admit, The person who made this thread should have said something about being uncomfortable ooc, if they were denied to be taken out the situation, consult the admins, if THEY deny it then sure, i think this post is worth considering. It was pretty close to slavery, not to an extreme but the op did mention they were spat on, humiliated and mocked which to me is verging close onto gross rp.
we SHOULD NOT have to accept going through rp that genuinely makes us uncomfortable for the "sake of rp", its an rp server, not a social experiment, its "roleplaying" and actors are allowed to choose the extents of what theyll do in acting. if op didnt make it known that it was making them uncomfortable, i say make sure its known next time. 

[Bala]

10 hours ago, Aezeryst said:

Honestly sounds like the words of a sociopath, we are here to RP but we shouldnt have to ruin other peoples days just for RP, its a game, we are literally here to have fun, not to be spat on and made to do manual labour for nothing in return other than an unpleasant experience. I will have to admit, The person who made this thread should have said something about being uncomfortable ooc, if they were denied to be taken out the situation, consult the admins, if THEY deny it then sure, i think this post is worth considering. It was pretty close to slavery, not to an extreme but the op did mention they were spat on, humiliated and mocked which to me is verging close onto gross rp.
we SHOULD NOT have to accept going through rp that genuinely makes us uncomfortable for the "sake of rp", its an rp server, not a social experiment, its "roleplaying" and actors are allowed to choose the extents of what theyll do in acting. if op didnt make it known that it was making them uncomfortable, i say make sure its known next time. 

Haha, sociopath.

Saying we are all here to have fun is an over simplification and false. You're here to, ideally, roleplay realistically a character, within the environment created around you.

This environment has an ungodly death rate per day, everyone drives at 200 km/h, you cannot drink the tap water and everyone runs around in masks, some of which pretending they are animals. But getting forced to chop a car, being spat at and called names is where we draw the line?

There is roleplay that you don't do on this server. There are slurs that you don't say. There are actions that your character should not perform. All for good reason.

This scenario, isn't that. 

The rules we have now, are perfectly adequate. What the community doesn't need, is for everyone to start feeling they can pick and choose what situations work for them outside of those areas.

All that will do is lead to sanitary, woke nonsense, where you can't say or do anything.

Some of you wouldn't have survived here in 2019, I swear to god.

[Aezeryst]

10 hours ago, Bala said:

ideally, roleplay realistically

dont you find it ironic that after saying this, you then go on to defend your point with the fact the server is unrealistic with "ungodly death rates" "everyone drives at 200kmph" etc. Which is it? a "realistic server" or a shit show?

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Some of you wouldn't have survived here in 2019, I swear to god.

in 2019, as far as im aware there wasnt punishment for gross rp....so which is it?
some of us dont wanna come onto GAMES to be sexually assaulted or humiliated. it aint woke, just some of us actually have jobs and touch grass (not me tbh) where we dont wanna face the realities of real life when we get home to play some games. It aint "woke nonsense" its just facts.

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is for everyone to start feeling they can pick and choose what situations work for them outside of those areas.

theres a reason thankfully now we are now allowed to choose not to be raped IC, so there is in fact a line. I understand the point of its an rp server where theres criminals and shit, but at the end of the day i think its best we dont allow people to go to bed at night feeling uncomfortable with certain rp they were forced to do, we should atleast have the option to keep the rp organic and allow escape rp upon request. it sets a bad rep for the server and doesnt make anyone look good.

[Tomvd682]

On 12/5/2024 at 6:20 PM, Bala said:

There was nothing gross about what happened to you and putting things like this on the naughty list would only serve to further sanitize the role-play experience, to a degree where it starts to become debatable whether anything negative can happen to you or not. 

End of the day, sometimes you are the one doing the punking and sometimes you're the punk. Something like sexual assault (which has no place, either in the action or the threat, on this server) doesn't belong even in the same topic as whatever this was and if you being made to chop a vehicle by someone at gun point is hard for you, I dunno what to tell you.

I disagree with the guy above and what he said about the RP should be enjoyable, because i think people take that to mean they should get a positive out of it too. What the RP should actually be, is engaging and emotive. Fear and shame are emotions.

You decided to make the decision to live outside the confines of the law and you paid for it. You should feel good, you did something to help someone else! 

Whatever he said
W Bala

[Bala]

On 12/8/2024 at 3:12 PM, Aezeryst said:

dont you find it ironic that after saying this, you then go on to defend your point with the fact the server is unrealistic with "ungodly death rates" "everyone drives at 200kmph" etc. Which is it? a "realistic server" or a shit show?

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in 2019, as far as im aware there wasnt punishment for gross rp....so which is it?
some of us dont wanna come onto GAMES to be sexually assaulted or humiliated. it aint woke, just some of us actually have jobs and touch grass (not me tbh) where we dont wanna face the realities of real life when we get home to play some games. It aint "woke nonsense" its just facts.

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theres a reason thankfully now we are now allowed to choose not to be raped IC, so there is in fact a line. I understand the point of its an rp server where theres criminals and shit, but at the end of the day i think its best we dont allow people to go to bed at night feeling uncomfortable with certain rp they were forced to do, we should atleast have the option to keep the rp organic and allow escape rp upon request. it sets a bad rep for the server and doesnt make anyone look good.

I don't even know how we're getting the two mixed up in the same post, roleplaying things like sexual assault or even making threats of rape have absolutely no business being on the server. It doesn't matter what year we are in, it doesn't matter if it actually happens and its beyond a threat or if the other person even consents to the RP. No one, male or female, should feel forced or coerced into that kind of roleplay, ever on this server.

I am reiterating that because I don't want your mumbling to paint a false narrative that I'm someone that either approves of or would look the other way on that kind of roleplay. I would not and I would not associate myself with someone that did.

There is a massive distinction between that kind of role-play and the instances what the original poster mentioned, which I don't want to get lost.

If you find yourself in the kind of situations where you are being forced to chop a car at gun point for someone and THAT is the sort of roleplay that is making you uncomfortable, then honestly, I don't know what to tell you or at the very least, try one of those content servers on Twitch where you need to file an application before doing something against another player.

You are playing a game that is Rated M for Mature, PEGI 18 / ESRB.

• Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Mature Humor, Nudity, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Use of Drugs and Alcohol.
  
  In this open-world action game, players assume the role of three criminals whose storylines intersect within the fictional city of Los Santos. Players can switch between each character to follow his storyline, completing missions which often include criminal activities (e.g., stealing cars, executing heists, assassinating targets). Players use pistols, machine guns, sniper rifles, and explosives to kill various enemies (e.g., rival gang members); players also have the ability to shoot non-adversary civilians, though this may negatively affect players' progress as a penalty system triggers a broad police search.
  
  Blood-splatter effects occur frequently, and the game contains rare depictions of dismemberment. In one sequence, players are directed to use various instruments and means (e.g., pipe wrench, tooth removal, electrocution) to extract information from a character; the sequence is intense and prolonged, and it involves some player interaction (i.e., responding to on-screen prompts). The game includes depictions of sexual material/activity: implied fellatio and masturbation; various sex acts that the player's character procures from a prostitute—while no nudity is depicted in these sequences, various sexual moaning sounds can be heard.
  
  Nudity is present, however, primarily in two settings: a topless lap dance in a strip club and a location that includes male cult members with exposed genitalia in a non-sexual context. Within the game, TV programs and radio ads contain instances of mature humor: myriad sex jokes; depictions of raw sewage and feces on a worker's body; a brief instance of necrophilia (no nudity is depicted). Some sequences within the larger game allow players to use narcotics (e.g., smoking from a bong, lighting a marijuana joint); cocaine use is also depicted. Players' character can, at various times, consume alcohol and drive while under the influence. The words “f**k,” “c*nt,” and “n**ger” can be heard in the dialogue.

THIS is the game that you are role-playing on and while certain, reasonable concessions need to be made to ensure nothing happens that doesn't go too far, the last thing this server needs is to be more conservative than it currently is.

Simply put, if there ain't a rule covering it, then toughen up buttercup.

[David Coast]

On 12/8/2024 at 3:12 PM, Aezeryst said:

theres a reason thankfully now we are now allowed to choose not to be raped IC, so there is in fact a line. I understand the point of its an rp server where theres criminals and shit, but at the end of the day i think its best we dont allow people to go to bed at night feeling uncomfortable with certain rp they were forced to do, we should atleast have the option to keep the rp organic and allow escape rp upon request. it sets a bad rep for the server and doesnt make anyone look good.

How far does this line go? Can I claim I'm OOCly uncomfortable in any situation where I'm at a loss and leave? There is already a huge "W mentality" surrounding the server, and the last thing we need is for people to have the option to OOCly back out of any situation they don’t want to be in, because people will misuse it to get out of situations they don’t like.

A lot of people experience sexual assault and rape in their lifetimes, just look at the statistics, while I imagine most people on this server have not been enslaved in their lifetimes (this could just be me talking from my white ignorant British middle-class perspective). This is due to the fact that every person on this server has the benefits of power, internet, and a PC able to run ERCP.

I really don’t think it creates a bad reputation for the server at all. 

On 12/8/2024 at 3:12 PM, Aezeryst said:

In 2019, as far as im aware there wasnt punishment for gross rp....so which is it?
some of us dont wanna come onto GAMES to be sexually assaulted or humiliated. it aint woke, just some of us actually have jobs and touch grass (not me tbh) where we dont wanna face the realities of real life when we get home to play some games. It aint "woke nonsense" its just facts.

Everybody has different things going on outside of Eclipse, but that doesn't mean the rest of the community should be forced to start or stop doing something for just a few people. If you are unable to separate getting humiliated ICly from your OOC feelings, that is on you. (Not referring to the whole sexual assault thing... don’t shout at me please).

[Diligo]

One is fixing a symptom of a root cause and the other one is fixing a root cause.

If community doesnt like SA they shouldnt forget about how it came to be and it all started from Kidnapping or possibly slavery RP which started in a public lab - telling to pick up plants or chop a vehicle

Being that this is a Serious RP server not a Semi-Serious RP it still begs the question of what is roleplay and how people interpret it.
If someone calls it performance art of humiliating others who have their hands up in every public lab they meet them, then sorry, but that is a silly excuse for roleplay more so to let out your OOC frustrations from the world/server/that specific player on to the players IC.

If it happens every time in every lab, then it is not roleplay, it is an OOC thing and therefore is disgusting and poor roleplay.

Those who are arguing against me are highly possibly people who never walk with their gun holstered or have a lot of backup around them so to not get into situation where you are on your knees with your head shaved and have to comply to commands to bark like a dog.

Don't kid yourself, that is not roleplay, it is what you can see in PvP games in /all-chat.
You can even hear it in their voices(not all but a lot of crims') and you can feel it is personal whenever they have the chance to shittalk. There is no acting in it, it is just every bad word you remember but within guidelines xD

Same goes on every discussion of LEO vs Crims - for some reason it gets toxic and I wonder why.. I am reading all of those conversations on forums and some people have some unreasonable anger and misguided sense of justice built up in their words they write.


Like anytime anybody says "dont do crime, if you dont wanna do time" when the forum is talking about too long prison sentences. Dont do the crime.. Bro what? This is a roleplay server nobody is commiting any crimes and these sorts of opinions are upvoted to the sky even though they do not add anything to conversation and make no sense.

I could go on and on, I can only assume that the people who the newly changed SA Gross RP rule was targeted against will do their best to work around it and just do the slavery RP towards the people most affected by SA ICly/OOCly. Everything will be under the guidelines but you all will have to witness how people can work around new rules if the root cause is not fixed.

I wish it doesnt come to that though, I wont reply to this post anymore.

[Diligo]

On 12/11/2024 at 3:22 PM, Diligo said:

I could go on and on, I can only assume that the people who the newly changed SA Gross RP rule was targeted against will do their best to work around it and just do the slavery RP towards the people most affected by SA ICly/OOCly. Everything will be under the guidelines but you all will have to witness how people can work around new rules if the root cause is not fixed.

I said that I wont reply to this post anymore but reading this thread and seeing what has transpired afterwards and that we have made a totally new report section (ORP) means that I was right.

People found a way to work around it.

We need to assess the root cause.

[Bala]

If we're deeping it, the ORP section came about because we've unfortunately seen an increase in predatory behaviour towards the female player base by a section of our male player base, particularly over the last year or at the very least, more people have been coming forward.

Those things are not the same. Running someone's pockets, making them chop a car for you and then calling them a little bitch isn't gross, in any way, shape or form. It don't matter if they are male or female. They are outside the law and conducting RP that puts them outside the law, so being robbed is part of it. Spitting would probably constitute gross RP though. 

Keep them seperate.

As for assessing the root cause, depends which thing.

If we're talking about robbing people, it's what criminals are sort of supposed to do.

If we're talking about people trying to push sexual assault on people, it's either because they're tapped in the fucking head on some twisted power dynamics, they are weird about sex because they have very limited real world experience of positive sexual encounters, they come from a culture where treating women like shit is socially acceptable, they do that kind of role-play to just simply try and be edgy AND they feel like they can get away with it.

If any one reading this been subjected to incidents of gross role-play, report that shit. It's the only way we can get rid of it out of the server. Can't unfortunately undo those bad experiences as they've already happened but we can stop them happening again or to other people.