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Adding to the last post I just made. This is how far it could go, this poster wants NCZ around jobs now, and the foundary, this is 100% not a cops v robbers server but powergaming through NCZ is not a good route to take. But yeah mate people rob you guys when you leave new player status cause servouslt, there is not much for criminals to do. They are just waiting to rob you of everything you own bro.

Huge -1 from me. I'm still struggling to understand why the current NCZ are in place as they already massively hinder the server, RP and immersion in almost everyway. Adding even one more is a massive massive mistake. NCZ at impound, means can never ever have any RP with Crims there, same with bank and any other NCZ . NCZ are the attempts to create realism through very very unrealistic means. They all need to go asap for more RP to become available.

Yeah, you are a criminal that has been shot and don't want to go to the hospital. That is literally the RP problem with it.

Sorry forgot to mention that not driving home for dear of being robbed is not a reason to not go home and log off . The crime is an IC issue, ring a friend for an escort, ask if there is anyone you can walk home with. Ensure you stay within lit streets and take a safe way home. It's not a reason to be like "nah I NEVER log off at home I'm case I get robbed", I think we are discussing different things tbf

True, priorities must be set, having gamed for like 23 years I get what you mean. So just prioritize the logging process more. I do many thing on the server I don't need to do but I do a lot of things I know other people will get RP out of. I don't always drive home, sometimes I walk home, many times "new players" pull up and offer me a ride home. Imo, even that little thing, for a "new player"could be the added immersion to help the server retain more players. This is what I prioritize.

Yeah for sure. I get that. If you got to go you got to go. It's just amazing the amount of people that seem to make it to the parking garage, just as they have to go. Viewing several comments throughout this thread yeah I'm starting to believe the very notion of asking people to help collective set new and better RP trends on the server is asking too much. However, I will continue to try, but you may actually be right tbf.

Yeah pretty much this. (If you have time) just out a bit more effort into your RP,allow more time for the logging off process and make sure not to vanish in the NCZ's, hotspots, parking lots etc. And I asked those withing positions of authority as, imo, those leaders who have great numbers under them, hold the responsibility to lift the level of RP, for all of us.

It is worrying how many people consider what I wrote an attempt to control someone real life. This is in no what what I am suggesting. I fear now any further attempts by myself such as this would result in the same misguided replies and arguments and it is this level of RP that will result in the RP level of eclipse following its current trajectory, whatever you believe that to be. Personally, I just leave 10 minutes before my game session (Obviously if IRL allows me) and I go home move away from other players. Worrying, very worrying.

Ok wow. Who ever puts games before IRL that is not what I am suggesting, I am suggesting heads of factions/groups or any collection of people should help to promote a higher standard with regards to logging off. Nodody is suggesting your ignore your IRL duties, why would you even think that's what I was suggesting. Very random mate. The fact you made this as your argument against my attempts to highten RP on the server is both annoying and just plain random bro lol

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It's gonna be hard to even convince people. Unfortunately the server has a lot of older players that have convinced themselves that certain things are just not doable, all this does it stop newer players from trying things themselves. Stuff like this is doable, I mean, the zeta, the triads and the wanted control roungly 150, if people worked together collectively we can make eclipse a much better place to RP. Unfortunately you will find that convincing other players to join/help you is the hardest part as many will just shoot you down . Keep cracking on though mate. You have my support for sure my man.

Please no not this. The city is garter too safe any has wayyyy too many NCZ as it is. Adding more is only going to decrease the amount of RP available.

I've only been back for a few days but it I've very clear to see that I'm soms regards RP is reaching a very new low. Please faction leaders of criminals and legal stop allowing you guys to randomly log off wherever they want. It's very low RP and it's taking the piss. Outside bank, outside zeta store, outside PD, LSC car park, behind the bank. Go home FFS, get in your car and drive home. If you do not have a home then RP something else. It is very very poo to allow police officer s to log off right outside the police station. So I my suggestipn is new policy and way of thinking from faction heads and leaders which asks all players to stop logging off in and around there jobs. Again, this is very very low RP however it seems to be the culture of the server. Only faction heads and leaders can change this as they have influence over their members. People don't just dissapers, sort it out people it's getting a bit of a joke now for what is meant to be the most hardcore server around. Edit: this was aimed and directed at gang leaders, legal faction leaders and other in authoritive positions, as a way to directly change the culture of the server, whilst negating the need for a rule or direct policy which is able of monitoring such actions. Leaders lead, it's that simple. By directing this culture change at said people, this provides argument against several points mentioned by others responses. Edit2: Main argument against "hold the right to log off in a timely fashion due to IRL" Please keep in mind that this is a game. Please refrain from making this your counter argument as IRL always comes first,anyone who knows me will say The Rebels understand that well. I ask that you think about the RP change without IRL very obviously taking priority over any video game. Second argument against "Prioritizing time" This is in no way a counter argument to setting new trends to improve RP. Just go off duty 10 minutes early, leave work 10 minutes early or anything. This is YOUR RP experiance and imo, treating your work like work and home like home should improve everyones RP.

very true point, how long would someone usually be in a downed state for before dying ? or does this vary significantly?? Your point is a very valid one, maybe something within the mechanics may, in the future, be tweaked to alllow for an added "slot" of RP to be introduced into the server. So maybe all downed players start with the same health, and this downed state lasts for 10 minutes, could this allow for more RP to be inserted into where there is currently none?

This is just low level RP and encourages other to do the same. If you can speak on a radio when downed, call medical services or speak to people then there is a very good chance you can move and defend yourself (to a degree) within the same situation. Also, being downed, why would you fear for your life, just because someone is approacxhing you or anything, depends where you are, what weapon they have, are their other pedestrians around, have you called emergency services already etc etc. Fearing for your life is a bit extreme if you only have a busted ankle, ofc if you came out of a window a 110 mph then you should RP that and in that instanmce ofc would have no control over your possesions, but that is not always the case. To stop people from stalling then leave the scripts out of it and keep it all RP. if you go to rob someone and they say /do my legs are hurt but arms are functioning then play around it,, ask them their injuries and play around them, threaten to jujmp on their legs if they dont give you their stuff, do something, anything other than just walking up to them and looting them. its just silly to b inches away from someone sound of mind, speaking to you, arms fully working whilst they sit there, quietly being robbed being unable to do anything, when moments later a paramedic is like /do attempts to help the man walk to the ambulance - / do yes, success, i only hurt one ankle lol IF i see any of my mates displaying such low level non contrcuctive RP then ill shoot them and rob them myself.

that might be the problem, being "downed" doesnt make you dead, if a player goes down alone, they can still wriggle around and find their phone, if i went down and had only broken my leg, i would do a /do right leg broken as anybody appeared, this lets the player know that your upper body is still functioning, a decent RP player will take note of this and RP accordingly. Its very very unrealitic to be "downed" and in no way be able to protect yourself, unless at Eclipse being "downed" means that you are actually unconscious. in which case, nobody should be talking or moving a muscle in that state. Either you are functioning to the best of your ability when downed, or you are unconscioius. Which is it? example, falls from pedal bike, twists ankle, sitting on the floor waiting for an ambulance, eneymy robber comes along, attamepts to take your wallet from your upper left side jacket pocket (upper body) fully functioning, "yeah sure sir, its in my jacket pocket, i would try and stop you with my arms or hands but i cant, ive got a boo boo on my ankle" just makes no sense at all and fails in RP. An approval action should be required, and players should be expected to RP accordingly, RP you accidne to a higher enough degree and a player will not be able to just walk over and rob you, just make sure you provide enough "/do leg is hurt but upper body still functioning" so they other player is aware of your current RP vitality and moblity. It is then on the other player to /me attempts to rob the player /do success... to which the reply can be, /do no, upper body still functioning, would fight off the robber from the groud, flalling and punching whilst shouting for help. This is imo, and it is how i would expect the server to operate. # edit : if the other player ignores your /do ankle is hurt but upper body still functioing asnd continues to rob you, imo that powergaming as it ignores your current RP state and should be worthy of a report, as you did not get a chance to RP your response.

This would have to be a long drawn out process carried out by either admins or "old" players with cash who don't have need for money. Especially during the early stages of development. Even then, the system should be use only to bring about more RP. Considering the impact holding a role like this could have on the gameplay of others and their availability to game money should not be introduced from a top down perspective.

This is a topic that has been mentioned many time, however through the lens of a gov faction I genuinely believe there is room for this to take shape. Building on from your proposal I would propose thinking around ideas such as these: Have people apply on the forums similar to other gov factions. Just make the requirements ridiculously hard and make sure it's as unbiased as possible. Players then, if they choose, go "on duty" like other factions. Once (for example) 10 people actively go "on duty" players on the server are notified that the "City Council" is now in session. For a case to be heard a player must Have more than 5 (for example) hours to serve in prison. This is to condense the numbers down. They must: have footage of said offence. If they wish to defend it they must provide evidence A player does not have to be in attendance, eliminating heavy logistics a court system "should" have. Should this system develop the on sight DOC facilities for parole (similar to mentioned above) may be an option. Players may only request a "city council" appeal every so often. Similar to only being able to break out of prison, with limitations. Successful or not, that player may be charged for the service. Players must agree that if additional charges are found when the "city council" views any evidence provided from officers that these charges may too be applied to the player/prisoner. Also, should an officer be found abusing their powers that the prisoner be released and compensated accordingly. These are just thinking points sureounding the idea of a functioning Judicial and the ideas of Law and Order within the city. Hopefully something to think around. I believe it is doable should it be thought through and rolled out in the correct way. Probs best to let admin role it our and try the system out first should this ever become a thing Cheers Edit. Considering the growing numbers on the server it would be cool to see this develop