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+1 to an extent. Just think you could get a sound if you're in proximity to the front desk. The bull pen on the other side of the door often has officers doing paper-work in there so a little audible queue would be better than more spam for the chatbox.

Appreciate the amount of effort you put in, but I think there is already debateable justification for the police factions we have. Adding a third one wouldn't be a good move.

Merry Christmas

What? Yes, let's once again surround ourselves with people that negatively contributed to the community in the first place by unbanning a bunch of people, so it looks like we have a full server again. That is a move you pull when you absolutely have no one left and we are not at that point yet where we need to get desperate and make those kinds of choices. There are a number of contributing factors that have lead to a deprecated player count which I won't go into but this isn't the way forward, it's a way to end things quicker.

When it comes to gaming in general, I think people are becoming more understanding when it comes to transgender people but only really from a male to female transition. It certain seems much more common or at least people are more open about that so by proxy, people who are not familiar become more comfortable. That being said though, it's already an ask for people to change their view points on male to female transition or males playing as female characters but female to male isn't really that common from what i've seen so, it's perhaps more difficult for people to adjust their view points. When you throw in roleplaying a pregnancy as a man, that is a hard ask I'm afraid for people to get their head around. I've been trying to be certainly more open minded to alternative life-styles but I don't know how to feel about it and I don't know how i'd feel about encountering that situation in-game. I don't know if I'd be comfortable in truth. On the one hand, more power to you for fleshing out a character but at the same time, it's out there as far as roleplay goes and I think resistance is probably more understandable because it's certainly less common, i don't think we're quite there yet in 2021. This is a VOIP server and a server where people don't necessarily play characters but themselves, quite a bit. VOIP can do a lot for RP but it can also take stuff away. Sometimes it's hard to put character and voice together. Think of a teenager with a squeaky voice swearing at you and trying to rob you. Can you say you'd honestly be able to take them seriously? I think you've got a number of options from a pragmatic point of view. One, you continue to roleplay the character you want provided it doesn't break any server rules. If you do this, you have to understand that people are going to push back against your character and it will go OOC. If you feel that their behaviour violates rules, you should report it but rule-break or not, people are still saying things to you. You have to decide for yourself if you're strong enough to deal with that and supported enough to deal with it. Two, you remain here but only use text to role-play. You probably don't get as much harassment but you also sacrifice using VOIP for that. Three, You go somewhere else where you can express your character freely, without any harassment at all. This one isn't ideal but the reality is, ECRP isn't going to change over-night and VOIP is going to always be there. As much as I'd love to tell you otherwise, maybe a text based server would allow you more freedom of expression than a VOIP server. I know it's a delicate subject but I don't think there is any point in pretending or sugar coating things. There doesn't seem to be any real option that doesn't have a downside but to be fair, I respect the fact you're open about yourself. Wish you good luck with your decision.

It's a big no for me. I'm all for punishment expiration and an overhaul of our current rules but this is just the same system with more chances to get away with not being banned. You might have liked seeing 600 players in the server but I sure as hell didn't. It was a bunch of non rp driving bus drivers, people jumping on cars and it taking an hour to get a report called. The fast decline on the player count is in part because of the lack of updates. People get bored with the same old same. But it's also to do with the time of the year as well. Don't think we end up with a better server by giving rulebreakers more opportunities to break the rules and I'm certainly not inclined to want to give people that have left the server on bad terms the opportunity to come back if things improve. Fuck that, let them sit on the outside and rue their foolishness. Groups like the TRCC are as much of the decline in 2021 of Eclipse as a lack of a criminal update. No thank you. Hackers should be permenantly banned with no appeal. Combat Loggers should be permenantly banned with no appeal. People leaking personal information should be permenantly banned with no appeal. You don't build a house on unstable terrain or with shody materials. You build solid foundations first, then ad dto it.

Inconsistency is inevitable when you have server rules that border on being arbitrary at times. If our player base has difficulty in working out where the line is, it would make sense that our staff members would have issues with it as well. Staff Members aren't mythical creatures, they're players with an elevated level of permissions and responsibilities. Some staff, be it support or higher, probably are better suited to helping people rather than issuing punishments. At a guess, the ideal staff member is someone who isn't swayed by public opinion, who takes their own personal opinion out of the equation and also has enough interest in both rule-making and other rulings by other administrators to be able to give a consistent decision. But then you could have a report decision perfect but it does then only take a couple of reports before you on a similar topic to go a different way and you look like you don't know what you're doing. It's probably a thankless task and I don't mean the lip service thanks that people give when responding to a report "thanks for taking my report.", because the report section is public, it's up for public debate every decision you make, which will inevitably lead to the weaker staff members making a decision because it's popular than it being correct. No one wants to end up on one of those dumb videos on youtube at the end of the day, just for doing their job. If consistency is an issue, then you gotta change the report system and the rules but until then, to an extent, it's a roll of the dice.

From what I saw on the patch notes, Rockstar altered stanced and low grip tires to no longer give high top speeds to tuner vehicles. This isn't an issue with Eclipse, but something that Rockstar have taken upon themselves to change.

I have more chance meeting people to roleplay with at my place of work, than I do at my house. No thank you.

Oh man, this is really cool!

The amount of inflation in the economy dictates that things have to be priced a certain way so they are not too cheap. Don't think too much about whether or not it makes sense because we have that Venezuelan economy.

Improvements to our clothing system is something that is in the works, which includes being able to mix and match all available GTA online clothing with less restrictions and more choice than the current system. I don't have an ETA on it, but it's something being actively pursued.

I think that showing a license being something you need to ask for is more important, because right now, you can just show it to the person without them necessarily agreeing to look at it. Same goes with /showbadge. It should work similar to /duoanim where you ask for the other players permission. As for the suggestion, I don't think six different commands is necessary. You could group driver, trucker and pilot into one. You could group firearm approval and firearms license into one. You could keep the medical license seperate. Or, like Percival suggested, just specify the license with the command. /showlicense [playerid/name] [driver/trucker/pilot/medical/firearm/all]

From what I understand, what you have linked there is the game affecting props with weather changes such as snow or rain. It's not an MLO as such, it's just a space out in the world with a giant box prop for us to fill up with whatever we want, so I'm not sure how viable it is to fix. I'm also assuming the weather isn't specific to the client but to the server, so I don't think you can specify exceptions. I may be wrong, but yeah.

On the one hand, more customisation is great and I commend the suggestion. On the other, what Cactus said rings true. At a certain point, too much in one area is bad for performance. Also, this mod costs €63 currently, it's very expensive and I'm not sure that the cost of which we would see paid back in it's use. It would be a little bit like buying an interior for Vinewood or Vespucci PD at the moment.

Nevermind, seems the SP version will be released on christmas day which may potentially allow us to use it.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they are only supporting FiveM, in part due to the new DRM that Tebex has worked out for it. I would highly doubt that RAGE-MP will get a version to be honest, which is a shame.

You know when these threads get made, does anyone actually ever wonder even if some of these things got approved, when would it actually get scripted? We get it, PD OP, PD Devil, PD Nerf. We get it. But honestly, real talk, which one of the development updates do you want to sacrifice to make this happen? Do you want the criminal update to be a bunch of negative changes to the PD? I'm sure that'll really get the blood flowing from your ivory drug lab apartment. Maybe you want to sacrifice the clothing update? Who needs new clothes, new hair, all that shit when PD can pay for their guns yay! I'm sorry but what are you trying to sell here? You can create a drug super lab in a $400,000 apartment, which you then blow up and don't have to pay any repairs for. You rob a bank using a BF-400 then drive up a hill to get away. You dress as your favourite hex-code and paint your vehicles to match then complain how it's easy to find you. You wear masks that make no fucking RP sense to wear, like the dude that goes around in a wolf mask growling at people. You wear masks all the time and because we can't decide on the law about it, we can't do anything about it. You wear them in private, you wear them in public. Every time a cop appears in front of one of the factions, they forget they are actually criminals and instantly hit their /record bind. Hardened gangbangers, cop killers and serial killers are out here filing out internal affairs reports like its #1-800-FREETHEHOMIE. You complain if cops die, they lose nothing. If you die and you've committed a crime, you are given a literal get out of jail free card. You bang on cops then complain because you get followed and Jason Steel pulls you over to ask you questions. I could continue with this all night but the point is, don't worry about balancing/nerfing/fucking PD, get your own RP together first. I've been banging the criminal drum for the past twelve months trying to pointlessly improve things and all I see in return is poor roleplay standards from crims and half-arsed allegations of abuse against a faction that I enjoy being a part of. I get the super cars removed for PD because you were always complaining about it, fucked over my own faction doing that and now you lot start moaning about the Jugular. Why should I even bother? Honestly, go touch grass with this shit. You call for realism and good roleplay when it suits you. It's not about best interests of the RP or the server, it's about you and what you want. Go look at the big players in the staff team and what factions they are in. You know why these threads go nowhere? Because the people that are responsible for the decision making around here don't have a problem with it. Maybe you are the problem? A few cases of something doesn't make an epidemic. I doubt there is a faction on the server more committed to roleplay standards and getting rid of poor role-players than the LSPD. You will see some of these people on the forums from time to time, slandering the faction through salty tear soaked eyes because they've dropped their standards and gotten the boot for it. We're not going to stand for it and we actively punish it. I got demoted for doing it back in 2020. So, what more do you want? The heads of LSPD Command on spikes? I'm going to keep it real with you. The day I have to buy my guns from the armoury like it's fucking counter-strike or wait 60 seconds to spawn a new car is the day I go play somewhere else. I'm all for balance, but this ain't it chief.

I've raised the matter with the relevant people but I'm no staff member, if they think it's a problem then they'll deal with it.

I'd rather see the issues with the fingerprints fixed than the thing yeeted to be honest, but I'll bring it up with the others in LSPD and see what we can do in the meantime, if anything. It isn't ideal the way it is currently. Also @Harley whats with the transition signature, makes my eyes hurt lmao

@Thommy I'll be honest, the only reason why I even mentioned you in the first place was because I found your comments misguided and quite hypocritical. With one hand talking about how we should be doing things then on the other, doing the exact sort of thing in-character or not that is against what you are trying to preach. I watched you from the moment you joined PD and straight away, it's talking about how this should be different and that should be different, instead of actually focusing on the process of learning what being a cop in Eclipse means and how to do it. Likely in part, because in addition to being in our PD, you were in also in GTA World's PD. GTA World is a server with a completely different experience to Eclipse. People might "ooooh he mentioned another server" but honestly, they're very good at what they do and that's why they are successful. Text Roleplay, with a heavy emphasis on character development and quality of role-play interaction. It was the same with LS-RP in SA:MP, same kind of mentality. Eclipse right off the bat is not comparable to GTA World. There is a huge disparity between text and voice roleplay. But overall, both servers have evolved around a certain kind of roleplay and become successful because they cater to those particular needs. GTA World is like a Michelin Star Restaurant, Eclipse is McDonalds. Both serve different very different food for very different clientele. We might not write Shakespeare in the chat-box or delve deeply into our character's back stories but what we do, we do very well. I'd be bored off my tits on GTA World, because that style isn't for me anymore. Without Eclipse, I wouldn't be involved in RP anymore. Short of building my own, this community is my community. While I might have dabbled in other servers, this is home, as is. Yeah it could absolutely be better but when Eclipse is good, it's fucking sexy. PD and SD are both reactive factions, which means that situations have to begin in order for us to respond. No crime, no cops. No criminals, no DOC. No injuries, no MD. Part of the reason why I've put so much effort into trying to improve the criminal side of things is for the betterment of my own faction and my own enjoyment of the server. I'm not the Mahatma Gandhi of Eclipse, I'm doing this as much for myself as anybody else. We're the PD for the server we have/had. I can appreciate people like yourself or even some of the staff team wanting Eclipse to be something different but that's never going to happen. There are only two ways which a shift like that can be achieved. One, you start out with it as the foundation of your community in the beginning or Two, you commit to it wholeheartedly in every single area of what you do. It's fine adding robbery rules and joint-frequencies rules and all this, but when you don't update the new player quiz or make the right faction official or whatever all at once, then you're just plugging holes in your ideal and it'll never come to fruition. My initial post which seems so long ago at this point is essentially when it comes to Eclipse, just let a ho be a ho. We're not that Michelin star restaurant, we're Maccie Ds. Big Mac and Fries. Banana Milkshake. Action AND Roleplay. Eclipse isn't supposed to take itself too seriously. Players on this server aren't going to sit through 2-3 hours of back and forth text roleplay. They don't want it, they never wanted it and they never will want it. Maybe some will but Eclipse will never be good enough for those people. The simple fact is, people choose to play a criminal character to be able to break the law. They choose to join a gang, knowing there will likely be gang violence but trying to sterilise that way of life or painting it as poor roleplay is counter productive. Violence for no reason is DM, but violence for a geniune reason is legit.

I'm not being critical of the capabilities of any of staff team on an individual basis, but I think to a certain extent the ambiguity in the rules makes their job almost impossible to do without making at least one or two mistakes. Those mistakes can then directly effect whether or not someone can even play here. The distinction between someone being staff and not is that they are chosen by other staff members and trusted with the responsibility. There are quite likely some non-staff players that know the rules better than some of the staff but they are not selected to make those decisions. Grey areas lead to interpretation and inconsistency. It makes it harder to punish and harder to follow.

I think to a point, it becomes difficult to be consistent when you have so much ambiguity in your rules. Every gameplay punishment I've ever had that has been issued by a moderator, has been successfully appealed. Rules are as ideally black and white as possible and also rely on common sense. If you have someone at gun point and you issue demands, the threat of death is meant to get that person to do what you want them to do. If you can't follow through on the threat, what would be the point of making the threat in the first place? The whole thing of someone not being under Fear RP when a car engine is running.. unless you are Han Solo in the Millennium Falcon, that car is going to take time to get away and it's a lot quicker to shoot someone than for them to drive away. The engine being on is to me irrelevant. It's about distance. Yes, you want to value roleplay over the shooting but at the same time, we've created barriers for victims to hide behind also. It's like well I know you can't put me under fear RP because my engine is on and I'm driving away. What would be the reason to feel any fear in that situation then? Time limits on when you can kill someone shouldn't matter either. If you've done something in the first place that means I could kill you with a window, there shouldn't be an expiration date. If you want to stop deathmatching, then rules ain't the answer. Stopping the boredom is. People end up shooting because there is nothing else going. If you are in a gang, you're choosing to involve yourself in that world. The chances of getting shot at and killed should increase. Giving people invisible rule forcefields to hide behind just leads to more punishments and less players.

@Thommy Didn’t you call a criminal a retard on a scene, disconnect and leave the server in the brief time you were training to be a cop? I would take your comments more seriously if I took you more seriously but to be frank, people in glass houses should not be throwing stones. Obviously you spent time in other servers and maybe you think that we should be like them. My advice to you, since I assume you still want to play here, is to complain less and try to adjust more to the way things are done in Eclipse. We are our own server with our own values and expectations, focus on reaching those as a player first and then you’ll gain credibility to make a post like you just made. That being said, this thread is not about the LSPD or any other faction. It’s about the attitude towards violent roleplay in Eclipse.

Because bringing the report up in my thread ends up derailing the conversation, because derailing the conversation gets the topic locked, because the topic being locked means the issue gets ignored, because the issue being ignored means that it doesn't get resolved. But to answer your final question, it's all about WHY something is happening for me, not WHAT. If 5-6 vehicles are chasing one car, there are certain circumstances of why that makes sense but only certain circumstances. Being at "war" doesn't really make it make sense, but kidnapping someone from your gang for example does. Does 40 guys on the same frequency make sense? Brother, having a gang running around with walkie talkies period doesn't make sense but it's somewhat necessary to communicate at times. The problem isn't necessarily all the people on a frequency but the alliances in general. If they are for a common goal, then those alliances should be temporary. You can't have two factions at #1, there is only one so alliances should be temporary but based on what the RP situation is at that time. In terms of the big shootouts, I have be honest here and say that when they occasionally happen, I don't know about you but they are pretty fun to be a part of. If they are in moderation, I really don't see them as a bad thing. The only thing that server staff in my opinion need to do when it gets too bad, is just bring in an OOC ceasefire for a day or two, let people do their RP and calm down, then if the RP is still there for a row, go back to it.