Quietthecutie

We necroing this? shit im down. +1 The biggest issue is i suspect it just would not be used much other than to tell people freq is comped, which you can already easily do with your allowed phone call on arrival. even then, crims mostly keep their phones off so its a hail mary actually trying to get someone on the blower. Alternatives? make it so the payphones dial to a radio freq and not a phone number? this takes a leap of logic but it would make payphones in DOC actually useful and something people would be willing to farm up some stamps to use. Like every irl minute is 100 stamps.

Weaponizing the reports system? who would do such a thing?!? *takes a look in the reports section* ....oh.

Nope, youre right, maybe on an ooc level it does make sense. but as is so often the case, ooc reasoning isnt everything. Either way. This has already been suggested probably at least 3 times a year since I joined. it never goes anywhere. so either devs are straight heckin deaf or they are making a conscious decision to shelve this. Ill leave the finer points to yourselves.

I think we need to remember the golden rule of DM is "everyone should know why they are getting shot at." If you are a criminal in an active shootout, and cops roll in. you already know why you are going to get shot at. because cops have just responded to a shootout and have no idea whats going on, whos shooting who. all they know is they are entering an area of significant danger. Lights and sirens go up. if you do not stop what you are doing and throw your hands up immediately. you are fair game by DM rules. That said, SOP still applies, and there can and have been IC consequences for cops shooting too often and too quick. This is public info on the gov website and you can see the suspensions and dishonourable discharges that come with this. once more, LEOs are not another "gang" that has to shout DM rights at you before they engage. they engage because they already have reason to. what you do after that is up to you.

Because it turns gangs into a glorified hertz where no one new has to grind for vehicles cus theres guys with 5 plus years on the server just pooling theirs and barely logging on themselves and no longer required to in order to maintain their vehicles. This is me semi spitballing here. I could be wrong. but this has already been suggested DOZENS of times and never implemented. Devs are clearly aware of the desire and have either chosen not to implement it because of one of 2 reasons. either they cant, or they dont want to. It dosent look like a hard thing to implement so im trying to come up with the reason they dont want to. this makes the most sense.

aaaand we are getting into shit flinging territory again....

I believe the reason this has not been implemented is to stop gangs/large organisations basically pooling all their vehicles, giving all their members keys and then a player can use any of them and repair it like they owned it even if the player it belongs to barely logs in and contributes to the server. The current repair system puts the brakes on that somewhat by requiring the owner to take the time to get the vehicle and repair it themselves.

They only get closed when the tone of the replies goes from polite discussion and disagreement to a shit flinging contest. I respect someones right to disagree and try to make their opinion heard, even if we have been here many times before. They can get a community discussion going, hear differing opinions and perspectives. you can get more out of these discussions than gamplay changes. As I said, alot of Crims do not have an LEO alt and dont understand that side of the RP. These forum discussions help shed some light on it for them if nothing else. There is alot of misconceptions about what LEOs do. some of the funnier ones i remember are we use admin powers to check Houses to raid, K9 Units can check cars driving by and detect things before even pulling them over, LEOs just out of academy get automatic weapons etc. As outlandish and wild as these things sound to anyone whos actually played in one of those factions for longer than a few weeks, apparently some people believe stuff like that cus rumor mill amongst their friends and gang members spawns it. So its nice to be able to have a discussion here to iron that kinda stuff out too.

Look imma just come out and say it, and this may be the whiskey talking but sod it.... The amount of hypocrisy on suggestions like this is almost unbearable. Lets be real, crims use multiple sportscars, sports bikes and high spec military vehicles to achieve their ends. they can, without warning or previous indication, suddenly strap on heavies and armour from their gloveboxes. They can call in whatever backup they like to set up ambushes, drops, tyre takes, whatever they like on a situation. The very idea, that LEOs are OP cus they have access to decent vehicles (not great ones) and armour and shotguns is kinda total bullshit. crims have access to all this stuff at a very early stage. in order for an LEO to gain access to greater weaponry requires on average half a year of service in specific departments in an LEO faction. that is not a small amount of commitment. Not only that, but they can only deploy this in specific situations not caused by themselves, but by the situation they find themselves in. Most people who put in suggestions like this do not have an LEO character. and it shows. because they make wildly unrealistic accusations as to what we are capable of. we are not robocops. we are not superhumans. People will take a Hard L and then get oocly upset about that and take to forums but the truth for 95% of the situations that cause this is, it was of you or a secondary factions doing, you got beat and thats that. and for christmas sake stop trying to compare LEOs as just another gang you should be able to war with and wipe. you should never seek a protracted fight with LEOs, if that happened IRL the national guard would be sent in. do you want national guard to be a thing in this city?

I can do better. Gangbanger in socks and sliders who lives in a crappy rat infested apartment with 20 safes hidden in the walls busts out of a lab in a niobe sportscar which would have irl market value of over a million bucks before pulling a machine gun out of the teeny tiny glovebox, materialising body armour on his person, hopping out and starting to spray. Just a thought but I think that might be slightly more ridiculous than a cop wearing a vest and having a longarm on their back but shit what do i know.

Jesus we just got done with the last one of these...lemme breathe...

The drove by tases at arcadius drop are gonna be wild.

Also just gonna lean on this, this is provably not how the perma ban system works. If someone gets hit with a minor infraction, like NRP or DM or VDM, you have several attempts to rectify your behaviour which IS actively monitored by staff. its not a simple 3 strikes and youre out protocol. In order for this kind of behaviour to progress to a perma ban you have to basically put staff in a position where they see you are not going to change how you play, how you conduct yourself or how you care about the server. People DO NOT get perma banned over genuine mistakes. They get banned because its clear they dont give a fuck, and wont change how they play. If some time after they are banned they have matured and changed their mindset, they are free to submit an appeal to demonstrate that and try to regain access to the server. Most of them dont want that tho and just bugger off to the next server down the road. and good luck to em.

You seem to have missed the point of what i said. so sod it lets take another swing at it. There is a long line of things staff can do to educate, deter, and ultimately punish people from breaking the rules. this ranges from speaking to em, educating them, warnings, admin jail, temp bans and finally perma bans. For someone to get permanently booted off this server. you need to have proven beyond any reasonable doubt, that you are more trouble than you are worth. to the point staff are actively willing to lose money, to effectively pay you to not play on their server. This is wild and super important to bear in mind when it comes to how much of a negative influence you must be in order to make this happen. they are literally willing to lose activity on the server and lose money to get rid of you. With all that in mind, I frankly dont wanna play with a player who got perma banned. UNLESS, they submit an appeal, show the right amount of remorse, get reintegrated into the community and can be closely be monitored by staff during this time to make sure it all goes smoothly. None of which can happen with a "cheeky unban wave " I understand that you wanna play with your friends again who fucked up and got banned because staff thought the server was better off without them. this can be acomplished. but only on a case by case basis. this isnt a Nandos. we dont do cheeky.

For context staff do everything they can to NOT ban people. They are highly motivated to avoid it if all possible because every player banned is one less player on the server potentially spending money Point being if you got perma banned you did something so shitty that staff literally said "No Thankyou, take your money elseware." Now people can and do change and show remorse. Which is why we have the appeals system. So staff can look at each appeal case by case and carefully let people back into the server. What youre asking would quite literally turn the server into the purge for a month.

Im presuming this is a poorly timed April fools joke.

What i will say is that if 95% of LEOs are fine and play it straight. thats 1 in 20 bad eggs. that is not a bad metric all things considered and a testament to command.

if you cant be arsed with any of that just dice normal. 1-3 = heads 4-6 = tails. functionally the same as a coinflip.

I think maybe we can close this. seeing as even OP has 180ed their suggestion.

As has been spoken about. there is no way to effectively enforce a general age requirement. the most effective method is the current method. asking them to confirm they are of age, and then monitoring them to see if they appear of age. Short of a method of verifying ID which no one wants to do, thats it.

On a personal level i'm a text roleplayer as through disability I cannot physically talk. I understand where you are coming from but sometimes there are very legitimate reasons for a lack of speech.

You have this backwards. Its a faction rule, not a server rule. and its based a grounding not of protecting the underage person in case they see some RP they shouldn't, but because these factions have to have a certain level of maturity in their members. If an applicant has been terminated by any of these factions, It would be because command was not confident they would be mature enough or wouldn't be a good fit for the faction. we have terminated grown adults for this also. Once more, any faction command has the right to not accept a person into their faction if they feel they would not be a good fit. Particularly with legal factions this is important because they fall under a lot more OOC scrutiny than illegal ones. TLDR; If someone got rejected from a faction based on their age, that's shorthand for: "we do not believe you are currently mature, responsible and experienced enough to join us. apply again later." It is not a declaration of what their age is because as has been discussed, its not feasible to confirm that 100%

the uncomfortable truth is that in this day and age, any minor with a phone, an internet connection, and the wrong mindset can pull up stuff far more exposing than anything they could find on this server. I do not think we have any more duty of care than we already carry out. As for underage players in general, what and who they interact with is down to factions to moderate on their own. if you want to put an age requirement in, youre welcome to and how you want to verify and control that is in your hands. factions have and will turn applicants down if they have an age requirement and suspect the person is a minor in spite of what they say. thats due dilligence.

The effective way to do that would be to do a webcam with an admin holding up your ID. thats....I cant see that being a thing. Thats something you do for a job not a RP server.

This has been back and forthed forever. Ultimately if someone is not of age, they should not even have a copy of GTA to begin with. theres a long line of responsibility from parents/guardians, game vendors, the server itself and then other players. Its clearly outlined in server rules that you should both seek permission and check age before engaging in any kind of mature rp. And usually its not too difficult to tell when someones clearly too young or even borderline. all that said i think suddenly turning everyone in the server asexual would be a slightly knee jerk reaction.