We Just Tried to Rob a Bank. It was the most fun- until it wasnt.

[jameswilliam100]

Three of my friends and I just tried to rob a fleetus bank in the city. When I say I havent had more fun than negotiationg and RP'ing with the hostage I mean it. We robbed it knowing full well a lot of offciers would be there in minutes , our expectations was to have a fair chase and a CHANCE of escape.  When the police first arrived the shouted drop the weapons and come out thebank or you are all dead. Whilst we had guns aimed at the hostage , I shouted that we would kill the hostage and then someone replied "thats not how this works" - this is a clear sign to me they have no interst in fun RP but some power hungry guy who wants to just tell people what to do on the server. Someone obviously told him to stop becuase we eventuaklly got a hostage negotiator.  But we had to wait for 10 minutes for them to turn up and NONE OF THE POLICE INTERACTED WITH US except for one: Officer Nash - well done. 

 

What followed were what seemed like fair and honest negotiations which was all good RP. We negotiated fair passage (universally accepeted across all servers as allowed to leave the bank unharmed in a functioning vehicle) , no spikes for the wheels and no shooting from either side.  This was for the hostage to be unharmed. We left the bank, got in the car and every officer screamed get out. Thats the first negotiated point out the window. Drove off and spikes at the road, theres goes the second. They started shooting, there goes the third. Suddenly, all fun was out the window, I lost all motivation for continuing the RP as did my friends. 

 

You cannot expect anyone to ever rob a bank or store or have ANY hostage situation if thats how the RP goes down. It was not fun at all. We had such high expectations and were met with power hungry officers who dont apreciate the RP (some of them did of course) , this is what it felt like at least. It straight up put us off the server to be honest, if you look at other servers such as NoPixel and AMP they have the most amazing and fun RP with bank hiests etc. There is so much potential. We had planned our escape root, planted get-away vehicles and had a back up plan. None of that planning was able to be used. 

 

In total we lost 4x guns for 10k. A drill for 8k. We were all fined for at least 27,000. Thats well over 100,000 in losses. Also, someone has to use their own car as there isnt any NPC ones available. We cant rob someones because it wont be close to fast enoguh probably. The polcie brought out the fastest car in the game, some broken lambo. Its just setting you up for failure and disheartening.  If we ever do play again , we certainkly wont be robbing any banks, it is impossible in its current state.  

 

I dont want to be all negative but I am just really sad. thats how we all feel, we watch the best entertainers on twitch and try to recreate that in this server. Ive spoken to everyone who did the robbery, we are all sad and dissapointed. We all play the game for FUN. I feel like people forget its a game and a balance with real life. It is not real life. Its supposed ot be a fun hybrid. 

 

Please take a look at how you treat crime. We are people who enjoy RP too. The /me and /do isnt fun, although maybe necessary. The shouting to cops to get a negotiator or the hostage dies is fun. The police officer on the other side negotiating is having fun.  The officers didnt even get a fun car chase. I am just sad. 

Feel free to watch and tell me your thoughts. It will be SD quality for an hour or something until its processed. 

 

 

This is the last time I will reply to this thread becuase no one is willing to budge either way, you either agree with what happened or you dont. 

 

First of all, we dont really give a fuck anymore and have moved to a FiveM server focusing more on RP, so I dont have any interest in debating much longer but the stubborn side of me feels like a few things need clarified.

 

Very few of you have understood the crux of this post. We UNDERSTAND we lost and the reasons why that happened, stop mentioning it - I dont think anyone here is really that stupid that needs to be told again.

 

"You gave up leverage", "You let the hostage go" ; yeah no shit sherlock. What fun would having a stalemate be for either side? What fun is making unreasonable demands? Our intentions were to HAVE FUN, not just for us but, everyone involved. If anyone said they had fun from an RP standpoint in that , they are lying or have a low threshold for fun. The RP was shit, it didnt exist. Simply watch the video it is there in black and white.  If you disagree, go watch a Nopixel bank robbery. 

 

"You cant compare Eclipse to Nopixel" - Ehmm.. Of course you can. Its an RP server for the game of GTA V, its literally a like for like comparison. Any argument otherwise is probably moot and being pedantic. Why am I choosing that for comparison - it is fun and entertaining for all parties involved and thats what all servers should strive to be. There is a reason it is so succesful and its not hard to understand why. I am not talking about the massive streamers, even way prior to the hype (im talking 2+ years ago)  the server was the best in the buissness when it came to content and entertainment. My advise to whoever has the power for change is to take a close look at that server and what it does right and try to replicate that. Its about people having fun and they have cracked it. The people there CARE about the story of their characters and its developtment, unlike here and thats the difference.

 

The police broke several rules during the robbery also (i will not list them all) , they didnt value the hostages life as much as their own (they are supposed to) which is evident from not complying to demands PRIOR to the release of the hostage. They couldnt predict the outcome and upon us hitting the spikes we would realise this and could have killed him. They opened fire with civilians onlooking. There was no imediate threat to life. Nevermind the officers ruinning up to 4 armed robbers- suicide mission if it was IRL; which is where a key flaw with the servers is highlighted. Where is the line between realism and gaming because to the commuity and even the staff it is a very blurred line, at least from my perspective as a player. There is cherry picking everywhere to whats not allowed and what flys under the radar. Do X and youre reported for non-realistic RP, Report someone for Y and its "it is a game and not supopsed to be real life"; even when X and Y are extremely close in nature. I understand that its really difficulty to articulately put a distinction out there, giving the size of the player base and I dont know what I would do to fix it if I were in your shoes but, the line needs to be clearer or people are going to get upset when they are told they broke a rule when they thought they did not and vice versa. 

 

Furthermore, the "Save PoV" meta is TOXIC as fuck. The constant reporting... The constant arguments and fall-outs. This is a very big issue with the server. Yet again, its a large server and its hard to manage I understand that but from my perspective as a player ( I think I speak on behalf of most of them ) it is really really not fun. It is inhibiting RP and making people think twice before doing something that would be hilarious or adrenaline inducing. Even with this post, several people have commented that I should make a report if I am not happy? I dont want someone to be banned or waste the moderators time? The answer is not to make a report every time something bad happens, that will not change what happened. There needs to be a pro-active approach not a reactive one. 

 

It just the way the server is now.  I havent came across many who care about the RP and making a good story or adventure. All anyone cares about are themselves and securing/promoting their characters assets. I know that isnt everyone but its most. Anyone who doesnt fit the description probably wont last long in the server when their Rp needs arent being met.

 

Its criminals v cops and they both couldnt care less about each other. Its too serious, which is why we have moved city unfortunetely. Actually now I think about it, every single person I played with about 2 months ago has left also and I am not being dramatic, literally about 15 people. I go online and check the user list and I know about 7 people when I used to know about 80.The 7 people I do know all have very high Exp and probably suffer from sunk cost fallacy. The server clearly must have a high turnover rate and its obvious why. 

 

I would ramble on forever if I thought it would make any real change.

 

1) Theres too much OOC. It should be almost banned to maintain immerson. Everyone keeps saying its a serious RP server- if thats in relation to real life then defo, if in relation to serious RP then defo not and its the latter that is important ! 

2) Theres a toxic save PoV/reporting meta.

3) The 'cops v robbers' mentality. Guys, you are all humans and all in there to have fun. Be nice to each other and have FUN interactions. Also, anyone who is an officer who says that they are all nice and want to have good RP is bias. Probably close to half of my interactions with the officers have been unfriendly (almost hostile) in nature and not fun , whether I am acting as a criminal or not.  Actually, I watched a video the other day made by the golbins possibly on youtuve that highlighted the issue well (also some admin bias/corruption possibly) when talking about crime v cop relationship. Go youtube it its easy to find. If you put the people behind the characters in a room or a discord , from each side, they would not be friends or get along.  Theres a hostile mentality which needs to be fixed. 

4) I would say there is too much second voice. it ruins immersion. 

 

These points are BROAD ones, I know not everythign applies to everyone okay but it applies to far more of the community than it should.

 

Peace out 

 

Edit: Spawning in the lambo for the extremely unlikely chase that would never happen becuase we stood no chance of making it 100metres anyway highlights the WE MUST BEAT THEM mentality that exists OOC. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by jameswilliam100

[tylxrrr]

I understand your frustration, but of course the police are going to shoot once the hostage is safe. At 4:33, one of the cops say "the hostage is clear", so at the point you have no protection. It would have been ideal, if you had a hostage that you had DM rights on, so you could have taken them with you for protection. That is just my opinion. But yeah, generally the police are supposed to win, they have a lot of funding and resources. There are ways to avoid them though. Technically, you could just leave the bank before the police come or use a more mobile vehicle like a bike. I agree it is definitely difficult to beat the police, but you have to get creative!

[Dave McCreed]

0 Fun for both sides , its impossible to rob a bank and get away if the police dont comply with demands

 

[Brasko]

doesnt matter if the hostage is safe or not they used spike stips when one of the demands were not to use spike strips, that is 100% failrp, if you have a hostage you do anything in you can for the hostage takers not to harm them

 

[jameswilliam100]

1 minute ago, tylxrrr said:

I understand your frustration, but of course the police are going to shoot once the hostage is safe. At 4:33, one of the cops say "the hostage is clear", so at the point you have no protection. It would have been ideal, if you had a hostage that you had DM rights on, so you could have taken them with you for protection. That is just my opinion. But yeah, generally the police are supposed to win, they have a lot of funding and resources. There are ways to avoid them though. Technically, you could just leave the bank before the police come or use a more mobile vehicle like a bike. I agree it is definitely difficult to beat the police, but you have to get creative!

My whole point is that its taken too seriously and people forget its a game and supposed to be fun for both sides. It too hard, we had no chance and I dont see many scenarios where anyone would without breaking server rules. 

[tylxrrr]

Just now, jameswilliam100 said:

My whole point is that its taken too seriously and people forget its a game and supposed to be fun for both sides. It too hard, we had no chance and I dont see many scenarios where anyone would without breaking server rules. 

I see that. In general, this server is more serious than others. People really immerse themselves into their characters. So if you are a hard-head police officer, then you will roleplay that accordingly. But yeah, it is definitely supposed to be difficult. Imagine robbing a bank IRL...definitely not easy. It is possible though. As I said, you should try other ways and maybe you will be successful.

[Brasko]

Just now, tylxrrr said:

I see that. In general, this server is more serious than others. People really immerse themselves into their characters. So if you are a hard-head police officer, then you will roleplay that accordingly. But yeah, it is definitely supposed to be difficult. Imagine robbing a bank IRL...definitely not easy. It is possible though. As I said, you should try other ways and maybe you will be successful.

if we were robbing a bank in real life the police wouldnt go against the demands of hostage takers

 

[jameswilliam100]

1 minute ago, Brasko said:

if we were robbing a bank in real life the police wouldnt go against the demands of hostage takers

 

 

3 minutes ago, tylxrrr said:

I see that. In general, this server is more serious than others. People really immerse themselves into their characters. So if you are a hard-head police officer, then you will roleplay that accordingly. But yeah, it is definitely supposed to be difficult. Imagine robbing a bank IRL...definitely not easy. It is possible though. As I said, you should try other ways and maybe you will be successful.

No point in arguing guys. We can  just agree to disagree.

[tylxrrr]

Just now, Brasko said:

if we were robbing a bank in real life the police wouldnt go against the demands of hostage takers

 

Why wouldn't they if the hostage is safe? You think they would just let you go. The only reason why they listen to your demands in the first place is because you have a hostage and they have to preserve their life. Once that hostage is gone, well...you were just threatening a citizen's life and you are still at large. Of course they will shoot at you.

[Brasko]

Just now, tylxrrr said:

Why wouldn't they if the hostage is safe? You think they would just let you go. The only reason why they listen to your demands in the first place is because you have a hostage and they have to preserve their life. Once that hostage is gone, well...you were just threatening a citizen's life and you are still at large. Of course they will shoot at you.

the hostage wasnt safe when they put down the spike, he was still with us

 

[tylxrrr]

3 minutes ago, Brasko said:

the hostage wasnt safe when they put down the spike, he was still with us

 

So, why did you guys give up the hostage if your demands weren't met? I am assuming they put the spike strip and hid it, so you guys wouldn't notice which seemed to work. I didn't even notice where the spike strip was until I just watched the video again.

[Brasko]

39 minutes ago, tylxrrr said:

So, why did you guys give up the hostage if your demands weren't met? I am assuming they put the spike strip and hid it, so you guys wouldn't notice which seemed to work. I didn't even notice where the spike strip was until I just watched the video again.

they put it below the kerb we couldnt see it, very snakey and just breaks the non-rp rule imo

[tylxrrr]

10 minutes ago, Brasko said:

they put it below the kerb we couldnt see it, very snakey and just breaks the non-rp rule imo

Yeah, I don't think it breaks non-RP, but you could put up a report if you would like. You guys did suffer a severe loss, so you would meet the criteria.

[Roderick]

7 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

But we had to wait for 10 minutes for them to turn up and NONE OF THE POLICE INTERACTED WITH US except for one: Officer Nash - well done. 

First of all, if you have roleplayed a bank robbery before you will have noticed there is always one individual speaking with the hostage takers: the negotiator. RPly it would make no sense for you to interact with multiple people during that time as the goal of the negotiator is to defuse the situation and try to build a small band of confidence up.

7 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

You cannot expect anyone to ever rob a bank or store or have ANY hostage situation if thats how the RP goes down.

As tylxrrr above me said, if you feel your demands weren't met, make that clear. If the police have a trap ready for you that you can't see try to think ahead - how could you prevent this situation next time? In addition to that, how would this be non-RP exactly? As far as you were aware the cops agreed to your demands until you gave up the hostage and fled. To me, all it sounds like you were misinformed in-character.

7 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

There is so much potential. We had planned our escape root, planted get-away vehicles and had a back up plan. None of that planning was able to be used. 

That is actually a very good plan and I commend you guys for this planning and immersion! But for a team with all this planning, you could have definitely prepared for something like the spike strips you went over. 

7 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

In total we lost 4x guns for 10k. A drill for 8k. We were all fined for at least 27,000. Thats well over 100,000 in losses.

Yes, a bank robbery is high risk high reward. Store robberies for example are lower in risk, but also lower in reward. I'll ask you honestly: what did you expect? To commit a bank robbery, take hundreds of thousands worth of dollars and only lose a few thousand if the situation goes south? In that case the whole server would be doing nothing other than bank robberies all day long. The fact that it's high risk high reward is what makes robbing a bank appealing and why you need proper planning to do one.

7 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

If we ever do play again , we certainkly wont be robbing any banks, it is impossible in its current state.  

As already mentioned in this topic, it is definitely not impossible to rob a bank. Frankly, more often than not criminals tend to get away with at least a portion of the money. The fact that it is difficult and does not have a lot of room for error - which is simply how it is supposed to be - does not mean it is impossible to do so.

7 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

I feel like people forget its a game and a balance with real life. It is not real life. Its supposed ot be a fun hybrid. 

Well, you are playing on a quite realistic roleplay server. Granted, it is still a game but a lot of people will definitely try to play it out as realistic as possible.

To me personally, it sounds like you are mostly disappointed because you did not see the rest of your plan, such as the pre-planted getaway vehicles, work out for you. This obviously would have created a whole new layer to this situation. But if you are trying to plan for things, why are the police not allowed to one-up your plan with things you, from inside the bank, could not have seen coming? I personally feel there would have been ways to have known about this spike strip in particular and I hope that you arrive to the same conclusion and plan for such occasions as well next time.

[jameswilliam100]

6 hours ago, Roderick said:

First of all, if you have roleplayed a bank robbery before you will have noticed there is always one individual speaking with the hostage takers: the negotiator. RPly it would make no sense for you to interact with multiple people during that time as the goal of the negotiator is to defuse the situation and try to build a small band of confidence up.

As tylxrrr above me said, if you feel your demands weren't met, make that clear. If the police have a trap ready for you that you can't see try to think ahead - how could you prevent this situation next time? In addition to that, how would this be non-RP exactly? As far as you were aware the cops agreed to your demands until you gave up the hostage and fled. To me, all it sounds like you were misinformed in-character.

That is actually a very good plan and I commend you guys for this planning and immersion! But for a team with all this planning, you could have definitely prepared for something like the spike strips you went over. 

Yes, a bank robbery is high risk high reward. Store robberies for example are lower in risk, but also lower in reward. I'll ask you honestly: what did you expect? To commit a bank robbery, take hundreds of thousands worth of dollars and only lose a few thousand if the situation goes south? In that case the whole server would be doing nothing other than bank robberies all day long. The fact that it's high risk high reward is what makes robbing a bank appealing and why you need proper planning to do one.

As already mentioned in this topic, it is definitely not impossible to rob a bank. Frankly, more often than not criminals tend to get away with at least a portion of the money. The fact that it is difficult and does not have a lot of room for error - which is simply how it is supposed to be - does not mean it is impossible to do so.

Well, you are playing on a quite realistic roleplay server. Granted, it is still a game but a lot of people will definitely try to play it out as realistic as possible.

To me personally, it sounds like you are mostly disappointed because you did not see the rest of your plan, such as the pre-planted getaway vehicles, work out for you. This obviously would have created a whole new layer to this situation. But if you are trying to plan for things, why are the police not allowed to one-up your plan with things you, from inside the bank, could not have seen coming? I personally feel there would have been ways to have known about this spike strip in particular and I hope that you arrive to the same conclusion and plan for such occasions as well next time.

I feel like I have rebutted most of your points in my original post. I know why the things that happened, happened. I just think the fundamental way it went down was not fun and can be improved a lot. I think it boils down to the police being power-hungry; which is reflected elsewhere in the server and community. The RP is very serious and must be taken to be realistic when its a bank robbery but almost everywhere else in the server the same level of RP is not ever close. Im a lawyer in real life, the police break laws with almost every interaction I have had with them, theres entraptment everywhere ,nevermind the breach of power and lack of respect for the 'Rule of law'. Oh wait, that wouldnt be fair and I wouldnt expect it BECAUSE its a game and that would not be fun for anyone who plays the police, the main objective of a game being to create fun and enjoyment.

 

 They can search you without cause (even if they believe they have it, in reality its not legal), they can order you to show ID without lawful cause; they give out lawful orders just by using their voice. That isnt serious life-like RP from their behalf but when we go to rob a store its all of a sudden mimicing real life? Its a hypocritical paradime in its current state.

 

I am not dissapointed for not seeing our plan work, like I stated in my original post, im dissapointed in the RP. We wanted everyone involved to have fun, I dont think anyone had as much as they were expecting and thats the issue I have. Its a game and its supposed to be fun; its an RP server but there was no meaningful interactions between the two sides for the msot part.

 

[jameswilliam100]

6 hours ago, Roderick said:

First of all, if you have roleplayed a bank robbery before you will have noticed there is always one individual speaking with the hostage takers: the negotiator. RPly it would make no sense for you to interact with multiple people during that time as the goal of the negotiator is to defuse the situation and try to build a small band of confidence up.

As tylxrrr above me said, if you feel your demands weren't met, make that clear. If the police have a trap ready for you that you can't see try to think ahead - how could you prevent this situation next time? In addition to that, how would this be non-RP exactly? As far as you were aware the cops agreed to your demands until you gave up the hostage and fled. To me, all it sounds like you were misinformed in-character.

That is actually a very good plan and I commend you guys for this planning and immersion! But for a team with all this planning, you could have definitely prepared for something like the spike strips you went over. 

Yes, a bank robbery is high risk high reward. Store robberies for example are lower in risk, but also lower in reward. I'll ask you honestly: what did you expect? To commit a bank robbery, take hundreds of thousands worth of dollars and only lose a few thousand if the situation goes south? In that case the whole server would be doing nothing other than bank robberies all day long. The fact that it's high risk high reward is what makes robbing a bank appealing and why you need proper planning to do one.

As already mentioned in this topic, it is definitely not impossible to rob a bank. Frankly, more often than not criminals tend to get away with at least a portion of the money. The fact that it is difficult and does not have a lot of room for error - which is simply how it is supposed to be - does not mean it is impossible to do so.

Well, you are playing on a quite realistic roleplay server. Granted, it is still a game but a lot of people will definitely try to play it out as realistic as possible.

To me personally, it sounds like you are mostly disappointed because you did not see the rest of your plan, such as the pre-planted getaway vehicles, work out for you. This obviously would have created a whole new layer to this situation. But if you are trying to plan for things, why are the police not allowed to one-up your plan with things you, from inside the bank, could not have seen coming? I personally feel there would have been ways to have known about this spike strip in particular and I hope that you arrive to the same conclusion and plan for such occasions as well next time.

 

I wasn't going to mention this as I couldnt care less about being a 'rules lawyer' but when they police shot us up that was the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen, trigger happy teenagers by the looks of it. In real life , that would never have happened for many many reasons. There was no immediate threat to life and you could dictate intentions from the release of the hostage, you could put up a weak argument for the contrary but frankly, it would be clutching at straws (from a court rooms PoV).

[CaesarSeizure]

For kind of various reasons, the laws on the server are not the same as laws in real life so comparing stuff to real life is something that I never promote as it goes both ways.

Regarding any kind of actions taken by the LSPD in this or any other situation, the faction has strict guidelines for a lot of their activities (Both IC and OOC regulations) and at the current state of the server, follow the penal code, which is the laws on the server. With regulations comes repercussions for breaching those regulations, as long as people report them and officers are actually in breach of those regulations (again, this is not real life based laws and just because you think something is against regulations, does not necessarily mean it is).

You are free to IA report people involved for either IC or OOC reasons through the same platform, as the LSPD does not just judge people based on rule breaches but quality of RP as well. And i think that is the best course of action for you to take if you think that it was not ok. Can't promise that something is will happen or not and you will not be entitled to a response either, but IA reporting can't hurt regardless.

[Nex]

@jameswilliam100
That's a big Yikes, and rip RP.

Couldn't you guys keep the hostage at gun point until all of you were all in the car? It looks like the hostage got to safety way too fast while you all weren't even in the car.
Then release the hostage to the police officers once you all were set in the vehicle.
In case you hurt the hostage at that point I would understand an aggressive reaction like that.
Spikes , shooting and all that.
But in this case just looks like bad RP.

[Nex]

7 hours ago, Roderick said:

To me personally, it sounds like you are mostly disappointed because you did not see the rest of your plan, such as the pre-planted getaway vehicles, work out for you. This obviously would have created a whole new layer to this situation. But if you are trying to plan for things, why are the police not allowed to one-up your plan with things you, from inside the bank, could not have seen coming?

You can count like 8-9 police cars + the slightly hidden SuperSport cop car.
Cops have all the communication they need and Heli available.
They did not stand a chance. How many more one-ups do the police need to win a chase?

[jameswilliam100]

28 minutes ago, Nex said:

@jameswilliam100
That's a big Yikes, and rip RP.

Couldn't you guys keep the hostage at gun point until all of you were all in the car? It looks like the hostage got to safety way too fast while you all weren't even in the car.
Then release the hostage to the police officers once you all were set in the vehicle.
In case you hurt the hostage at that point I would understand an aggressive reaction like that.
Spikes , shooting and all that.
But in this case just looks like bad RP.

We could of yes but we wanted to be fair with the Police..... 

[jameswilliam100]

39 minutes ago, CaesarSeizure said:

For kind of various reasons, the laws on the server are not the same as laws in real life so comparing stuff to real life is something that I never promote as it goes both ways.

Regarding any kind of actions taken by the LSPD in this or any other situation, the faction has strict guidelines for a lot of their activities (Both IC and OOC regulations) and at the current state of the server, follow the penal code, which is the laws on the server. With regulations comes repercussions for breaching those regulations, as long as people report them and officers are actually in breach of those regulations (again, this is not real life based laws and just because you think something is against regulations, does not necessarily mean it is).

You are free to IA report people involved for either IC or OOC reasons through the same platform, as the LSPD does not just judge people based on rule breaches but quality of RP as well. And i think that is the best course of action for you to take if you think that it was not ok. Can't promise that something is will happen or not and you will not be entitled to a response either, but IA reporting can't hurt regardless.

Thanks for the reply. 

Yes I know, I dont know if you read my replies to some of the thread but, we know theres a balance and we dont expect IRL laws adn the game to be in sync completely. 

 

I dont have any interest in reporting anyone, they play how they wish. I think the onus should be on the admins and moderators to make sure the server runs as they intended and it should be a pro-active approach. Maybe not on the larger scale but in situations like this definitely. Would you be willing to give your opinions on the video I posted from how the support staff hope a situation like this would play out?

[jameswilliam100]

4 minutes ago, jameswilliam100 said:

Thanks for the reply. 

Yes I know, I dont know if you read my replies to some of the thread but, we know theres a balance and we dont expect IRL laws adn the game to be in sync completely. 

 

I dont have any interest in reporting anyone, they play how they wish. I think the onus should be on the admins and moderators to make sure the server runs as they intended and it should be a pro-active approach. Maybe not on the larger scale but in situations like this definitely. Would you be willing to give your opinions on the video I posted from how the support staff hope a situation like this would play out?

I didnt post footage prior , its pointless we just sat there for 10 minutes hsouting out the bank trying to have fnu with someone. The latter segments are just us being rammed by 5 cop cars.

Edited May 17, 2021 by jameswilliam100

[Roderick]

3 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

They can search you without cause (even if they believe they have it, in reality its not legal),

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/434/106/

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/392/1/

Yes. Officers can search people without cause but with reasonable suspicion. Just as in real life.

3 hours ago, jameswilliam100 said:

I just think the fundamental way it went down was not fun and can be improved a lot.

So, in specific details, what do you think should be improved on? I'm curious.

[jameswilliam100]

4 minutes ago, Roderick said:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/434/106/

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/392/1/

Yes. Officers can search people without cause but with reasonable suspicion. Just as in real life.

So, in specific details, what do you think should be improved on? I'm curious.

Reasonable suspicion is an OBJECTIVE TEST thats clarified in lines of case law. If they pass the test then that amounts to just casue... So no... You are 100% wrong in your statemetnt. Also I dont know why youre quoting the Mimms case... If you have read it then you would know it doesnt support your argument at all? Like I am genuinely baffled at your response.. Youre own statement is a contradiction and shows me your comprehension of the law is googled and/or from a game. If you work in the legal sector IRL, I would sack you. 

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15 minutes ago, Roderick said:

 

So, in specific details, what do you think should be improved on? I'm curious.

If you look at the original post and video I think its abundantly clear.