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[Hazel]

On 9/10/2019 at 11:45 AM, Hazel said:

the small number of people that have access to extended tracing permissions

@thiggins19 Extended permissions does not mean that we can just trace anyone without any valid reason, those permissions are still restricted and dependant on a lot of prior detailed paperwork in the background. 

 

What appear like random and unwarranted traces to and against criminals are almost always, if not always, ICly justified. We are OOCly regulated not to use the command without prior proper roleplay and not to abuse it, if we do, we’d be removed from the Investigations Bureau, which takes a lot of work to get into to begin with, so I highly doubt Detectives are abusing tracing, considering what they’d be risking.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Hazel

[CrowCargo]

On 9/9/2019 at 3:07 PM, smutty said:

Tracing a line is not something taken lightly by PD. There is an internal process and certain conditions need to be met before it's even considered. 

With that said, without any previous interaction with PD, I agree, they shouldn't have your number in the MDC. 

Might not be taken lightly by PD, but it's definitely something taken lightly by individuals.. the rampant tracing of phones has long been abused by certain detctives..

[Wizzidy]

+1 to this, ive seen people say you call 911, like any good criminal would use the same phone for both... I agree police should need to do detective work to trace phones, the MDC is too easy.

[THNDR]

On 9/10/2019 at 7:25 PM, Xoza said:

-1

• That's what radios are for, an untraceable form of communication. You can destroy your phone to remove the number or leave it off. There are plenty that don't use phones at all and always have it off.
• You can essentially 'create' your own burner phone already. Buy Phone > Make Call > Destroy Phone. A company wouldn't sell you a cheap phone, a phone is still a phone.
• Acquiring numbers from MDC is only for official use only and should not be saved.
  • Getting and giving out a number from the MDC without permission is a breach of privacy and anyone involved should face consequences, especially officers.
• Don't need to trace your number to find you, You sport the same colors, drive the same vehicles and wear the same clothing and you make a name for yourself that makes you easy to identify.

 

Thought of some RP reasons it exists how it is.

Crime is well known to be rampant in San Andreas. The government and companies apply restrictions to prevent or reduce illicit use for liability reasons.

• Radio tower repeaters are privately owned, easy to install and unsecured. The state has their own that are secure though for government uses.
• Cell towers are owned and operated by the government and companies.
• Mobile companies must register a name when a phone is purchased, registering that information with the government.
• If you make a 911 call, the operator will not accept your call unless you identify yourself as the owner of that number.

I think fake identities would actually be a better first step.

Be glad it's only your phone number and license plates that are documented, registry of property and home ownership and addresses should definitely be documented as well and is far more realistic

I agree 100% with Xoza here. 

The tracing protocol is very strict and I am 99% certain. That no detectives would be abusing it, risking potentially hundreds of hours work in IB for only one arrest. I have never witnessed it being abused and every expreience i've had with traces have had a 100% legitemate IC reason.

[Xoza]

There's someone out there with a ton of reckless operation charges. A TON.. like.. it should be a felony how many they have... but any additional charges, would still not fall under a reason to trace.

• Sergeant: "Could you help us find this person?"
• Detective: "While, we definitely need to find them, they don't fall within protocols to utilize our equipment. Here's the information we do have on the individual though and how we can find them."

Again, just because you were found, doesn't mean your phone was traced.

[Wizzidy]

2 hours ago, Xoza said:

There's someone out there with a ton of reckless operation charges. A TON.. like.. it should be a felony how many they have... but any additional charges, would still not fall under a reason to trace.

• Sergeant: "Could you help us find this person?"
• Detective: "While, we definitely need to find them, they don't fall within protocols to utilize our equipment. Here's the information we do have on the individual though and how we can find them."

Again, just because you were found, doesn't mean your phone was traced.

 

10 hours ago, nixu211 said:

I agree 100% with Xoza here. 

The tracing protocol is very strict and I am 99% certain. That no detectives would be abusing it, risking potentially hundreds of hours work in IB for only one arrest. I have never witnessed it being abused and every expreience i've had with traces have had a 100% legitemate IC reason.

So while I appreciate your stance, like most PD, that you should just be self policed and it is never abused we have IA etc.... I dont believe "We, the people that use it, believe we do a good job of not using it" is a viable reason to not consider something. It is currently unrealistic the way that phones work, police departments do not have an omnipotent link to anyone in a city, and if I was slinging drugs I would be using a pay as you go phone where they don't even know that number exists.... This is a situation where even though PD most likely DOES do a good job of not abusing a system, the fact remains the system should not exist at all... it is an unrealistic thing. We can't role play flying away or using our super sonic hearing to listen in on PD detectives, I don't believe they should have a number a person cannot escape... period.

[krooks365]

4 minutes ago, Wizzidy said:

This is a situation where even though PD most likely DOES do a good job of not abusing a system, the fact remains the system should not exist at all... it is an unrealistic thing. We can't role play flying away or using our super sonic hearing to listen in on PD detectives, I don't believe they should have a number a person cannot escape... period.

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[Kris]

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