Truckers Union taking a stand!

[Kris]

Hey,

I am a previous business owner of a gas station.

Back when I ordered fuel - it was not taxed. The income from selling fuel goes to a vault in the business, which you can withdraw out of.

If you choose to withdraw the income - you then get taxed accordingly to how much your assets are worth. (Most people owning gas stations, if not all, will be 35% but it is a dynamic number)

If you keep the income in the vault - and you order - it takes it out of the business and not your bank account, therefore it does not tax you when ordering fuel.

However, when having to buy blips from Weazel News, that cannot be taken straight from the business vault - which means you are paying Weazel News the taxed income.

 

TL:DR; Income is only taxed when you withdraw it to your salary.

[Keilza]

14 minutes ago, PolarBlunk said:

Hey,

I am a previous business owner of a gas station.

Back when I ordered fuel - it was not taxed. The income from selling fuel goes to a vault in the business, which you can withdraw out of.

If you choose to withdraw the income - you then get taxed accordingly to how much your assets are worth. (Most people owning gas stations, if not all, will be 35% but it is a dynamic number)

If you keep the income in the vault - and you order - it takes it out of the business and not your bank account, therefore it does not tax you when ordering fuel.

However, when having to buy blips from Weazel News, that cannot be taken straight from the business vault - which means you are paying Weazel News the taxed income.

 

TL:DR; Income is only taxed when you withdraw it to your salary.

Well that's interesting news, is this still the same of recent days or when you used to own a gas station?

[Jasmine]

10 minutes ago, Keilza said:

Well that's interesting news, is this still the same of recent days or when you used to own a gas station?

You realize this doesn't change anything? to use any of the profits, it will still be taxed at 35%.

I am sorry, but I need to stop with this conversation. It is clear you are just trying to find any excuse or any information you can to hike up your pay.

It has already been stated, the real problem is the Gov needs to supplement trucker income directly, or by adding routes that can be used to stabilize truckers income.

Stick to fighting for that, and stop terrorizing business owners.

My solution is to start trucking.

[Pazz]

I'm not sure if an individual representing a vehicle dealership has shed light on how and what, but I don't believe one has. 

I can guarantee that I'm not only speaking for myself as the owner of the AutoRepairs dealership, but also for other dealership owners when I say that we try to pay a good and fair fee for the effort the truckers put into the deliveries of our vehicles, however, the amount we can offer is rather limited unless the vehicles are in the higher price ranges. Often, when ordering a vehicle such as a Warrener, I have no choice but to restrict my pay to truckers to a mere $1000, as the import price set by the state and the fee paid to the truck driver delivering the vehicle total up to my current asking price of $10400, give or take a few hundred dollars.

Now, whilst admittedly dealerships in the city could most likely spare a few hundred dollars more, the dealerships which are in the outskirts of the city, or even in Sandy Shores or Paleto Bay spend that amount of money on the fuel getting to their dealership to place the order and back, meaning that there is no profit at all if the fee paid to the truckers is raised.

The only time when we can offer a bigger fee to the truckers without cutting into the couple hundred dollars we make is when a high-priced vehicle is ordered, such as a vehicle in the sports class.

 

[LunaticFPV]

33 minutes ago, Jasmine said:

Stations can only hold 20k. Theres your proof.

And Chuck already answered your question, on 20k fill, if they sell at $8, they make 160k, and get taxed 35%, so 55k, so 104k is the end income. Profit of 4k.....

See the problem????

@Jasmine @Com783

We have a lot of info now, and these seem to be the most important factors:

• Business owners are unhappy about high income tax rates (35%.)
• It costs around $100,000 to import fuel before taxation.
• Honest business owners are having trouble making money due to competition from criminals.

I would like to point out that what the gas is sold for at retail, advertisement costs, and income tax costs are not related to our side of things. As was pointed out by @PolarBlunk, the gas station income is not taxed until withdrawn, so it shouldn't factor in to this equation.

The only factors that matter to us truckers are these:

• How long will the load take to deliver
• How much volume is being delivered
• Are we being paid an appropriate delivery fee based on the cost of those goods?

I think the union rate for these goods should be based off of volume of goods transported, personally. This makes it more fair for retailers. I will heartily concede that $1 a unit is too high.

That being said, the current rate that our rank and file guys who are renting of $1000 for 20,000 units of fuel is far too low. An appropriate shipping fee in my opinion is around 10%. This would mean $10k on a $100k load of fuel, as opposed to the $8k you're currently paying. This would make our guys VERY happy and VERY grateful, as well as VERY willing to help you with your business ventures and any political lobbying for lower taxes, so we can all make more money!

 

[LunaticFPV]

6 minutes ago, ItsPazz said:

I'm not sure if an individual representing a vehicle dealership has shed light on how and what, but I don't believe one has. 

I can guarantee that I'm not only speaking for myself as the owner of the AutoRepairs dealership, but also for other dealership owners when I say that we try to pay a good and fair fee for the effort the truckers put into the deliveries of our vehicles, however, the amount we can offer is rather limited unless the vehicles are in the higher price ranges. Often, when ordering a vehicle such as a Warrener, I have no choice but to restrict my pay to truckers to a mere $1000, as the import price set by the state and the fee paid to the truck driver delivering the vehicle total up to my current asking price of $10400, give or take a few hundred dollars.

Now, whilst admittedly dealerships in the city could most likely spare a few hundred dollars more, the dealerships which are in the outskirts of the city, or even in Sandy Shores or Paleto Bay spend that amount of money on the fuel getting to their dealership to place the order and back, meaning that there is no profit at all if the fee paid to the truckers is raised.

The only time when we can offer a bigger fee to the truckers without cutting into the couple hundred dollars we make is when a high-priced vehicle is ordered, such as a vehicle in the sports class.

 

@ItsPazz

Elena, 

Thanks for responding! I can confirm that our drivers are actually VERY happy with your business. You pay very fair trucking wages and your orders were actually used as a shining example of how some retailers are doing it right. We do understand that unit costs factor in, and we all feel that your pay rates are very, very reasonable.

I hope that we can continue to conduct amicable business in this way!

Thanks!

Edited July 19, 2019 by LunaticFPV

[gyrhnr]

14 hours ago, Aldari_Tagril said:

Thank you for this informative bulletin. 

As a business owner I will now be delivering all my goods myself.  

Hahahaha well said

[LunaticFPV]

15 hours ago, Jasmine said:

You realize this doesn't change anything? to use any of the profits, it will still be taxed at 35%.

I am sorry, but I need to stop with this conversation. It is clear you are just trying to find any excuse or any information you can to hike up your pay.

It has already been stated, the real problem is the Gov needs to supplement trucker income directly, or by adding routes that can be used to stabilize truckers income.

Stick to fighting for that, and stop terrorizing business owners.

My solution is to start trucking.

@Jasmine

Again, the 35% income tax isn't our problem, but we're perfectly willing to help with that issue as well, but retailers need to take the first step to end the strike, and offer some sort of wage improvement. Additionally, we're not terrorizing anyone; we haven't used violence, nor do we intend to. We are using political pressure to lobby our position. That's not terrorism, that's politics. 

Additionally, you have no real negotiating power, as you have said yourself that you don't own the businesses in question. You haven't added anything to this conversation that wasn't already there except for trying to slander the good name of the Trucker's Union. We're working stiffs out for fair pay. You call us bullies, but it seems to me that the only real bullies here are the folks like you, attempting to coerce us into maintaining the status quo of terrible rates for truckers. It seems to me that the folks refusing to pay fair wages and their friends are the real bullies here. 

You seem to think we want something unreasonable. You obviously haven't been paying attention to what we've said here. There's nothing insidious here, we just want a fair wage.

[gyrhnr]

You guys know there are other and a lot better paying legal jobs than being a trucker ,right ?

[LunaticFPV]

1 minute ago, gyrhnr said:

You guys know there are other and a lot better paying legal jobs than being a trucker ,right ?

((OOC: Yes, this is all in good fun. Not trying to be OOC dicks, just trying to make trucking not suck as much.))

[gyrhnr]

5 minutes ago, LunaticFPV said:

((OOC: Yes, this is all in good fun. Not trying to be OOC dicks, just trying to make trucking not suck as much.))

(( as a matter of fact i've read the entire topic and you are not tryng to be that ,but you are.

[LunaticFPV]

2 minutes ago, gyrhnr said:

(( as a matter of fact i've read the entire topic and you are not tryng to be that ,but you are.

((ooc: We are trying to make trucking better through negotiation. RP it out bro. It can easily be said that the business owners are offering such unfair rates. 1.5 hrs irl for $1000 in game is BS and you know it.))

Edited July 20, 2019 by LunaticFPV

[gyrhnr]

Just now, LunaticFPV said:

((ooc: We are trying to make trucking better through negotiation. RP it out bro.))

((you are asking ooc information all over the topic to calculate fee's and %'s so i won't fall for that))

[LunaticFPV]

14 minutes ago, gyrhnr said:

((you are asking ooc information all over the topic to calculate fee's and %'s so i won't fall for that))

((rate info and cost info isn't ooc when it is relayed to me via business owners and their associates. You don't have to "fall for it" because it's all info that was relayed IC'ly on IC RP forums. )) 

((I feel the need to make business owners aware that what we want is honestly just fair pay and for the trucking job to not suck so bad. We are RP'ing a political group (a labor union) because I noticed that there was a void in this style of RP on this server. Coercion might work, but so will negotiation. As stated earlier, we're not trying to be OOC jerks, but people like @gyrhnr seem to not understand the political style of roleplay we're pursuing. @gyrhnr If you don't like it, you don't have to negotiate with us, but our RP will continue. It's on you to find an RP solution to this, and on us to respond RP'ly to your actions/and or negotiations. I don't like getting IC robbed, but it happens. This isn't any different.))

31 minutes ago, gyrhnr said:

You guys know there are other and a lot better paying legal jobs than being a trucker ,right ?

The Teamster's union will not put up with intimidation from criminals. We're perfectly willing to help business owners with unfair tax rates, but the business owners need to take the first step and work with us to negotiate a fair shipping rate for both sides. Our goal is just fair pay for truckers. If you have a problem with that, and you're a business owner, we're open to negotiation, as stated multiple times. The issue here is that SOME business owners see fit to resort to scare tactics and intimidation.

 

[LunaticFPV]

I would also like to take this opportunity to say THANK YOU to all of the business owners who have supported our union!

HUGE thanks to Bang for your Buck, MotorSport, and CandyPayne for providing fair transit rates today!

Your fairness is greatly appreciated, and the Teamsters' Union thanks you!

[LunaticFPV]

Huge thanks to DamGoodFuel for sending us fair delivery fees. A full tanker truck of fuel takes a lot of time to retrieve and offload, we really appreciate your consideration when placing your orders. Thanks, DamGoodFuel!

[Keilza]

4 hours ago, gyrhnr said:

You guys know there are other and a lot better paying legal jobs than being a trucker ,right ?

I have said it before here, being a trucker isn't just a job for us, it's our career, it's our way of life. We all enjoying driving these big heavy machinery and have a special place in our hearts. So just to say to us change job it's not as easy as that.

[gyrhnr]

7 minutes ago, Keilza said:

I have said it before here, being a trucker isn't just a job for us, it's our career, it's our way of life. We all enjoying driving these big heavy machinery and have a special place in our hearts. So just to say to us change job it's not as easy as that.

so basically it's your hobby. bit weird man

[PurplePlant]

I agree, truckers are an important role. Without the trucker job, your deliveries would rely on you. (( which honestly isn't very RP to just hop on duty to do your own delivery and not work the job as a real job )) I also think maybe the taxes are so high because you have accumulated so much wealth. This means, you should be paying a higher tax rate. The Government has options to remove those taxes as well. Also, hearing that the money inside your treasury is tax free, why not keep a handful of cash sitting there just for the sake of paying for deliveries without factoring in the tax. Maybe just like all the other jobs the Government controls, maybe truckers should get some base salary per hour worked?

[Keilza]

22 hours ago, gyrhnr said:

so basically it's your hobby. bit weird man

I don't see how it's just a hobby, without the truckers, there will be no fuel. There will be no stock on shelves. The same goes for fishermen. It's not a hobby, it's a career path. At the end of the day, it is something we enjoy doing and would like to make a living off of it. 

Having a collection of cars is a hobby, Trucking is not a hobby.

[LunaticFPV]

On 7/19/2019 at 4:25 PM, ItsPazz said:

I'm not sure if an individual representing a vehicle dealership has shed light on how and what, but I don't believe one has. 

I can guarantee that I'm not only speaking for myself as the owner of the AutoRepairs dealership, but also for other dealership owners when I say that we try to pay a good and fair fee for the effort the truckers put into the deliveries of our vehicles, however, the amount we can offer is rather limited unless the vehicles are in the higher price ranges. Often, when ordering a vehicle such as a Warrener, I have no choice but to restrict my pay to truckers to a mere $1000, as the import price set by the state and the fee paid to the truck driver delivering the vehicle total up to my current asking price of $10400, give or take a few hundred dollars.

Now, whilst admittedly dealerships in the city could most likely spare a few hundred dollars more, the dealerships which are in the outskirts of the city, or even in Sandy Shores or Paleto Bay spend that amount of money on the fuel getting to their dealership to place the order and back, meaning that there is no profit at all if the fee paid to the truckers is raised.

The only time when we can offer a bigger fee to the truckers without cutting into the couple hundred dollars we make is when a high-priced vehicle is ordered, such as a vehicle in the sports class.

 

For the most part, the auto dealerships have been fine with the rates they've been giving. The main issue is the gas stations paying $1000 for a full load of gas, which is a very time-consuming run.

[Keilza]

4 minutes ago, LunaticFPV said:

For the most part, the auto dealerships have been fine with the rates they've been giving. The main issue is the gas stations paying $1000 for a full load of gas, which is a very time-consuming run.

Yeah, I agree with that. The main problem here is the Gas runs for $1,000. Obviously as a gas station owner or any type of company owner, in fact, would like to keep their profit margins high. Therefore we all need to come together and protest this high tax percentage.

[gyrhnr]

Guys just go do ATM or courier deliveries, farm, or try the other jobs available that provide constant pay.

Oh wait, they don't pay as much as some trucker deliveries? And they are not as easy as just driving a truck from A to B?

What do you do? You attack all business owners ,those that dissagree with you and now the tax, that helps pay and operate all government employees and helps to keep inflation in control.

 

All I can see here is keyboard warriors who have no idea how things work, yet cry for more pay,more money but don't want to put the time and effort to earn it. 

Suck it up and help yourself. 

 

Edit: You also have the option to choose and pick which deliveries you're willing to take or skip. Force business owners to pay you more for specific deliveries by not delivering their order, not by complaining,attacking everyone and playing the "greedy capitalist card". Also,taking an order you do not like and holding onto it,so no one else can deliver it even if they wanted to, and looking for the owner of the business to threathen him that if he wont pay more you will never deliver is also not right.

And stop with the "way of trucker life, trucks are expensive to maintain, i have a family to feed" crap , you litterally get a free truck running full of gas and free will to choose, there is NOTHING forcing you, every decision you make is because youwanted to.

Edited July 22, 2019 by gyrhnr

[iAchieve]

@gyrhnr, I don't understand your hostility towards these truck drivers. From what I can see in this thread, it looks like all they're trying to do is negotiate a bit higher prices for themselves. They were initially a little hostile, but have definitely backed down and are trying to understand the entire situation as presented to them. 

It is undeniable that truckers are integral for the daily operation of Los Santos. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have our food, vehicles, or many of the other commodities that we consider "normal." It is fine if store owners don't want to raise prices, because if I was in their position, I wouldn't either, since truckers will deliver regardless. But, your hostility towards them is honestly sad and makes me feel for you as a person. I'm not even a trucker, but your hostility shouldn't be shown or directed to any person.

Think a bit more before you speak next time.

Thanks,

John Newton, LSEMS Commander

Edited July 22, 2019 by iAchieve

[PurplePlant]

First off, Truckers have invested in their jobs because they paid for their delivery vehicle. This means, the trucker job should be considered an above normal job. I believe it's in their full right to expect to be paid fairly, especially by a consumer based economy. The stores choose to sell at whatever price they want, granted they have competition. This means,  the customer decides where to spend their money. If you want deliveries made, pay a fair price based on what you are selling/profiting and you shouldn't have an issue. You complain taxes are too high, then maybe you have too much money to complain. Taxes are NOT applied to money left in the treasury, and this money can be used to buy deliveries TAX FREE. Just because you take money out of your treasury and get taxed doesn't make it the truckers problem. Any personal weath you accumulate is TAXED unless you acquire the government pass. The government offers tax free options for those unwilling to pay back their fair share of wealth. If you can't afford to own a store, logically maybe you shouldn't own a store. Truckers take a lot of time to make sure Los Santos functions, and to say "go do another job" is ignorant. Without truckers, you would have NO supplies such as gas, food, items and more. So before you go bashing people, think about the time it takes to get your shit and how much fun it would be to supply your own store.

 

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(( All I can see here is keyboard warriors who have no idea how things work, yet cry for more pay,more money but don't want to put the time and effort to earn it.

 ((ALSO this is IC bud, keyboard warrior? Plus from what I understand they are PUTTING in time and EFFORT to make a job better, not just ignore the job that is an essential function in Los Santos))

Edited July 22, 2019 by PurplePlant