Prison Charges Times & Fines

[Aezeryst]

It feels as if the charge system in ecrp is completely arbitrary. I would like to mention this is an issue i plan to try and do IC through the LRC (law review comittee)

It definitely seems like whoever made the current charges kinda slapped on a time and fine and just called it a day but theres so many problems with it people dont seem to be taking up to the forums despite the amount of complaints.
The way the system works right now is they slap a charge on you and you serve that time, however a majority of crimes (like the fun ones) are already a 3rd (or 5th if youre broke) of time youll spend for ONE CHARGE.
so by the time you have 3 charges youre already spending probably the max amount of time in prison, then the 4 other charges you have give no real meaning other than slapping some more fines on the criminal.
i feel as if we should have it where for someone to reach the max amount of times, they should be doing alot of bad shit rather than like 3 things max. 
Im very well aware that prison time is the normal punishment for committing crime for a criminal, however it seems the player is being severely punished for the in game crimes they did commit, especially when DOC is extremely limited for RP as of right now. I also believe the time and fines have a damper on the mood for people trying to rp a criminal and its the result of current toxic behaviour issues between criminals and LEOs (especially when charges are stacked).

i should mention im not looking for a fight, I am just noting something i think everyone would find fair in the server as cops dont lose anything from the result of less time, maybe less boredom because criminals all wont be locked up all the time and criminals will find they can actually bare the time they get for the charges placed against them.

My suggestion is re-evaluate the laws, maybe cut them by 2 3rds and readjust them. An example i also have of clearly unfair and unjustified charges is for some reason, driveby with the against a gov employee modifier is more time than domestic terrorism which is just completely astonishing to me (domestic terrorism is 120, Drive by of a government employee is 135)

So instead of capping times to 3 hours, we just cut the times of charges (maybe keep the cap tho, unsure) so that with the result of charges against people, theyll probably spend stupid amounts of time for stupid amounts of charges.

again, this will be something i plan to take up to the LRC in character but i belive its an issue to be taken up ooc too. :3
 

[Bala]

Having had some brief conversations with the developers about the prison in general, it would probably be better to discuss this after the update than before it.

I don't disagree with some of your points but it may be somewhat pointless discussing it further depending on what happens.

[theflyingfuck]

im not sure how i feel about this one. i think the times are fine when considering RP value of that time and the crimes committed. its literally what you make of it at this moment. but i agree the RP of it is very limited and really geared towards fist fighting for the littlest of reason. i think you should be able to serve the time or log off and still serve the time. not be forced to lay there while you watch a movie or something on the other screen. theres lots of time that the jail is completely empty and people are forced to just sit there because the only thing to do is collect trash and clean laundry. id much rather be able to go play another game with my gang  after getting charged stacked by a LEO than having to physically sit there and watch paint dry because of Prison RP being limited.  IMO its really annoying having to genuinely server that time when at the end of the day its a game.  especially if you forget to let your PC run while your sleep and wake up to having to serve 2 and a half hours (when this happens i straight up dont appear all day). i have back up character i will never touch again because i have no commitment to them and they have been charged stacked to literal oblivion. 

Edited January 30 by theflyingfuck
points and spelling

[Malcom Figglebottom]

im absolutely on board with this because its one of the biggest reasons for my inactivity

[Rem]

Prison sentence time gives crims a reason not to caught, and shorter prison time would kill prison RP all together.

I suggest doing different routes or conducting your criminal activities in a different matter so you don’t get caught instead of make prison time non existent, it exists for a reason.

 

[Mrpyth0n33]

2 hours ago, Dean King said:

Prison sentence time gives crims a reason not to caught, and shorter prison time would kill prison RP all together

What is prison rp? Explain that to me in the current terms, afk for 5 hours or log our for a week? You are clearly not an active crim player that has recenctly gotten doc time 

[MrSilky]

1 hour ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

What is prison rp? Explain that to me in the current terms, afk for 5 hours or log our for a week? You are clearly not an active crim player that has recenctly gotten doc time 

Or perhaps they're more creative with their thinking instead of looking at everything black and white hoping to have "roleplay" handed to them on a silver platter.

Prison improvements are coming, but the experience will only improve if players are willing to (hear me out, I know it's crazy...) roleplay! 

[Mrpyth0n33]

59 minutes ago, MrSilky said:

Or perhaps they're more creative with their thinking instead of looking at everything black and white hoping to have "roleplay" handed to them on a silver platter.

Prison improvements are coming, but the experience will only improve if players are willing to (hear me out, I know it's crazy...) roleplay! 

No i get you but you can only roleplay with other people, at the current moment all anybody does for the 5 hour sentences is afk or log out, on the odd chance you get that random running around and unexpectedly punch you "for your stamps" i understand the DOC UPDATE is coming but its been bad for a while and LEO players have been bored and with people in doc for 5 hours is one less player in the general world to make situations happen, if the update drops im sure there will be less complaints, (I think)

[DaddyShrood]

56 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

No i get you but you can only roleplay with other people, at the current moment all anybody does for the 5 hour sentences is afk or log out, on the odd chance you get that random running around and unexpectedly punch you "for your stamps" i understand the DOC UPDATE is coming but its been bad for a while and LEO players have been bored and with people in doc for 5 hours is one less player in the general world to make situations happen, if the update drops im sure there will be less complaints, (I think)

Funnily enough, you can RP with this group of people, not sure if you've seen them, they wear vests that say Corrections and for some reason seem to hang out in the prison like all the time?

Joking aside, if you provide good, creative RP inside DOC, we as a faction, will more often than not help facilitate that. 

[Aezeryst]

4 hours ago, DaddyShrood said:

Joking aside, if you provide good, creative RP inside DOC, we as a faction, will more often than not help facilitate that. 

Personally my worst experience in DOC is seeing Chris Whittle :PP

 

Edited February 3 by Aezeryst

[Aezeryst]

10 hours ago, Dean King said:

Prison sentence time gives crims a reason not to caught, and shorter prison time would kill prison RP all together.

I suggest doing different routes or conducting your criminal activities in a different matter so you don’t get caught instead of make prison time non existent, it exists for a reason.

 

tbh i dont see why people are against the idea, i have provided the example that driveby of a gov employee is longer than domestic terrorism, kidnapping is longer than murder, im not saying we SHOULD completely quarter sentences, but i feel as if everything should be seriously reconsidered as its clearly obvious that the charges made were completely arbitrary. 
and to reiterate, i could rob a bank, get armed robbery, 1st class or 2nd class firearm, face concealment "attempted murder of a gov employee" etc and suddenly i have like 320 minutes, and im only spending 190 minutes because the time is so absurd it far exceeds the limits anyway, so it feels like no matter what i do im spending a good 2 hours at least in prison for like 2 or 3 charges plus 2 small charges like "resisting and face concealment" which are still extreme sentences for the severity of a crime. 

[theflyingfuck]

15 hours ago, MrSilky said:

Or perhaps they're more creative with their thinking instead of looking at everything black and white hoping to have "roleplay" handed to them on a silver platter.

Prison improvements are coming, but the experience will only improve if players are willing to (hear me out, I know it's crazy...) roleplay! 

i don't think this answers helps anyone deeply involved in crim life. we can only do so much RP with how limited things are in prison. Even something as minimal as smuggling items in requires RP permission ( which could honestly be mitigated with something as easy as best of 3 /dice roll) .  everything else we think up that even remotely hints at a prison power struggle is usually met with "make an RP op for it" which honestly most people aren't going to do. The available RP currently is to work until you are out ( hopefully you don't get robbed by a guy that just came into the prison with 6 of his buddies), start fights for gang reason or because someone started talking shit cause they are bored, or talk to the guards about how their day is going ( if there is any even on shift). You cant say "lol just make RP" and hand people a rock( genuinely disheartening hearing that from an admin IMO). literally any RP server could do that and that's why so many RP servers on fiveM die out within a few months. we are better than that. everything leads to mostly pointless fighting in DOC right now. and how long can they stretch that rp with a whole 1500 square feet of space to work in. 

forgot to add in that we can watch TV only if a guard or someone in the prison is paying extra to be in the server. although not uncommon should not be a requirement for us not have an even more limited ic experience

Edited February 4 by theflyingfuck
grammar and some points

[KongouPak]

As someone who plays in DOC, SD, and a Crim ontop of having a lifer in prison. I can generally say, being in DOC just sucks right now. Yes creativity does work in giving you something to do in DOC but even that is limited. Prison break requires perms, and is limited due to a timer being put on it. DOC has taken extreme measures to make sure that crims can't do much of anything with any of the environment around them, (obviously its a maximum security prison so of course they would.)

There's also the fact that guards are there to roleplay guards and do their jobs. I as a guard try to let crims get away with the random fighting and nonsense they get up to while they are in there by either turning my back or being hyper focused on doing my paperwork, not responding to the scripted sounds of fighting when I realistically wouldn't be able to hear them among other things. If I'm given no choice, I have to respond to it and roleplay the role I chose to play and go "ruin" the criminals fun. Not saying its a bad thing a guard has to do their job. I think when it comes to this point criminals need to maybe lean into prison roleplay more. Stop trying to fight in front of guards or snitching to guards as I will purposefully make the snitch known so people can play into this more. Be more creative in attacks against someone instead of trying to be big boss thug that "no one should mess with". The whole point though is that this is another thing that severely limits crims from doing things they want to do in prison.

 

Speaking of, the reason the only thing crims want to do in prison is fight cause well, its the only thing in prison to really do outside of watching t.v. that interacts with your fellow inmates. Sure you can sit around and chat with your buds if they are in prison with you, maybe do some group yoga or go roleplay lifting weights together, there's "a lot" to do in that regard. These are also all things you can easily do outside of prison as well. However, Fighting other crims is the "easy" and more fun way to make stamps versus doing the mind numbing mini game of picking up litter and washing laundry, and we know a lot of crims play in an asset farming nature.

 

I bring all this up to say, unless the DOC update brings some major changes that makes being in DOC not a mind numbing task of farming stamps to either get out quicker, or try to make your money back from fines while in there, It would stop a lot of the toxicity that happens between LEO and crim players to lower times and fines in DOC. The server wants to create a balance between realism and game, but I think its shown long enough that we prefer a bit more game then realism. The less time crims have to spend in DOC being bored out of their minds, the more they can be in the general world as rob said. The more crims are in the general world, the less times cops spend driving around bored out of their mind fiending for some kind of action which causes them to do things that really annoy crims. As for the DOC guards, this means the less crims we have to deal with that are pissed off about being in DOC for 3 hours cause they got caught going a little to fast with their tarkov kits on them and now they sit in prison crashing out and breaking rules or as some have stated above leaving the server for the day or days.

 

Its not a complete solution to the major mentality problem the server has but I think its an easier band-aid to slap over it while we work on changing the mentality. I never understood the point of wanting to punish criminals to the severe level that we do for just being criminals. Without criminals there's no need for cops or DOC, so maybe lighten up a little bit.

[alexalex303]

I think the issue as with most things on the server is that there's some people that abuse anything they can; if you reduce prison times too much, people will evade 20 times in a day just to troll around. 

If we don't mind dropping the realism and leaning into the game and having fun, I'd suggest a more smart reduction: for the first time you get sent in DOC in 7 days, you get 90% of the time reduced. 

This would mean that if you rarely get arrested, you don't have to spend much time there, but if you want to abuse the reduction, you won't be able to more than once a week. 

[KongouPak]

36 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

I think the issue as with most things on the server is that there's some people that abuse anything they can; if you reduce prison times too much, people will evade 20 times in a day just to troll around. 

If we don't mind dropping the realism and leaning into the game and having fun, I'd suggest a more smart reduction: for the first time you get sent in DOC in 7 days, you get 90% of the time reduced. 

This would mean that if you rarely get arrested, you don't have to spend much time there, but if you want to abuse the reduction, you won't be able to more than once a week. 

I don't think it's abusing to evade 20 times in a day. They are active, being a criminal in the server. That's 20 times cops have something to do from one individual. If certain cops don't want to be involved in 20 pursuits a day, well that's a good reason to stop having every unit in a pursuit now. If he's getting caught that many time's its clear not everyone is needed for the pursuit

 

Realistically that person is getting caught alot, which means they are being fined every time. Their cars are getting impounded every time, and eventually that person turns into our good friend ottis walton and i personally love chasing ottis. Its never a toxic out come. He's usually driving local cars so its never the "hold W to escape car" Even still he gives us a good pursuit where sometimes he does manage to lose us. In return Ottis doesn't always have air on him and 20 cops in the pursuit line.

 

Where I would agree on the abuse part is say the clappers in our server getting out every twenty minutes just to go find someone else to shoot/kill/rob for very little to no reason, among other things of this nature. This is why adjusting the time of charges would be a good idea. As Ace stated, shooting at a cop from a car alone gets you 135 minutes in prison. That's a bit excessive but not a bad start. First charges need to stop being balanced around having VIP or not. I personally think they should just take that aspect out of VIP and then balance them out appropriately with the goal in mind to encourage more RP and gauging of situations better before resulting to the things people complain and report about all the time.

 

Ultimately what you're suggesting is that criminals either don't be criminals or they play all the same with the goal in mind to never get caught. As toxic as the scene is between crim and LEO is sometimes, some of us crims do enjoy the interactions with LEO and do things to have that interaction and not just farm assets. Again I see no reason to punish a criminal in what feels like an OOC manner, for them roleplaying a criminal IC.. I hope changes to DOC fix that feeling that a lot of people have but if not, I think bringing about changes of this nature would see a decent change in some other problems the server has.

[alexalex303]

4 hours ago, KongouPak said:

don't be criminals or they play all the same with the goal in mind to never get caught

yes, everyone's goal should be to not get caught.

[KongouPak]

2 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

yes, everyone's goal should be to not get caught.

ICly of course I'm not going to TRY and get caught but the nature of the beast is you will be at some point no matter what strategy you deploy that's not a rule break. I'm not suggesting people should wanna get caught but that not everyone that plays crim wants to completely avoid cops while doing criminal activities. Thats where the fun is for some people.

[vasiman]

Well, i got caught the other day in a chase i was doing just for fun, using a  Keitora ( max speed it goes is like 140 kmh ) nothing illegal on me, no crazy plan, just a random chase to kill some boredom.

And i still got thrown into DOC for 1 hour and 30 mins, which honestly feels kinda overkill for just driving around the city not even causing chaos or harming anyone. If anything it gave some of the cops ( yeah the ones who sit in cars parked all day “doing paperwork” ) something to actually do for once. Some people just take the game waaaay too serious for what it is.

But yeah it is what it is i guess. Still think for something harmless like just a simple chase the max should be like 30 mins downtime not a whole sentence like i robbed a bank or something.

I’m a regular gamer now, got a job, family, a house im trying to build and all that adult stuff, sometimes i just hop on Eclipse RP to chill, talk to people i met on there, drive around a bit and relax. Not trying to be some criminal mastermind, just vibing, and getting some adrenaline from the chases..  Time guys it's precious nowadays, stop wasting it on pixels

[Aezeryst]

5 hours ago, vasiman said:

stop wasting it on pixels

me, who does graphic design

[Requiem]

6 hours ago, vasiman said:

Well, i got caught the other day in a chase i was doing just for fun, using a  Keitora ( max speed it goes is like 140 kmh ) nothing illegal on me, no crazy plan, just a random chase to kill some boredom.

And i still got thrown into DOC for 1 hour and 30 mins, which honestly feels kinda overkill for just driving around the city not even causing chaos or harming anyone. If anything it gave some of the cops ( yeah the ones who sit in cars parked all day “doing paperwork” ) something to actually do for once. Some people just take the game waaaay too serious for what it is.

But yeah it is what it is i guess. Still think for something harmless like just a simple chase the max should be like 30 mins downtime not a whole sentence like i robbed a bank or something.

I’m a regular gamer now, got a job, family, a house im trying to build and all that adult stuff, sometimes i just hop on Eclipse RP to chill, talk to people i met on there, drive around a bit and relax. Not trying to be some criminal mastermind, just vibing, and getting some adrenaline from the chases..  Time guys it's precious nowadays, stop wasting it on pixels

Police don't get to choose what your sentence time is. The IC laws dictate that. If you evade in a warraner or evade in a niobe, its the same charge of evading an officer which is 60 minutes jail time. Police simply apply the applicable charge that they are supposed to enforce based on the crimes committed. 

[Mrpyth0n33]

On 2/4/2026 at 11:34 PM, alexalex303 said:

yes, everyone's goal should be to not get caught.

I get what you are saying but imagine all crims were smart calculated criminals and never got caught, what would police roleplay be? And you know very well what has been the situation with cops pd and SD lately imagine they caught no one because everyone played it smart how frustrated they would be then and how try hard they would get to actually catch someone currently its not roleplay with LEOs its interaction its scripted follow a known crim pull them over search them because you can find a gun pat down cuff doc no more lets humor him lets have fun with it lets investigate before we just search lets question him and see if he can worm his way out and if he goes hard woth his story lets give him the benefit of the doubt instead of the straight arrest and most times ragebait, trust me people will be less pissed of if there was actual roleplay involved it CAN be funfor both sides and still arrests happen

[Demonmit1]

11 hours ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

its scripted follow a known crim pull them over search them because you can find a gun

I play GND in SD. We have incredibly strict rules on what we can and can't do, and constantly have LFM breathing down our necks auditing our actions. 

No cops are allowed to just pull you over and search you randomly outside of the very rare active suppression orders on gangs. We've only had two active suppression orders in the past 6 months. Once on empire in october for a week, and once on OTF in January for a week.

2 people in Empire were pulled out without cause with permission due to the active suppression during that week. 4 people from OTF were pulled out without cause with permission due to active suppression.

If you're being pulled out seemingly randomly without cause, take it to SAJB. Make a court case. We need clear probable cause to search you and your vehicle. If your being searched without probable cause, that's OOC corruption and needs to be reported to faction leadership. 

If you go through the process of a court case, law enforcement are required to explain exactly why you were searched. If they don't have a good reason, you get your money back and they get in trouble. 

 

There are entire systems in place for criminal players to interact with if they were unjustly interacted with. But, because it takes effort from the criminal players side, it requires interaction from the criminal players side, and it takes time to go through the process, yall don't care to even try, because the vast majority just care about getting out of DOC as fast as possible to get back to grinding money or go back to pvp, and don't give a shit about being involved in roleplay for entire factions and divisions. 

Edited February 6 by Demonmit1

[vasiman]

On 2/5/2026 at 8:24 PM, Requiem said:

Police don't get to choose what your sentence time is. The IC laws dictate that. If you evade in a warraner or evade in a niobe, its the same charge of evading an officer which is 60 minutes jail time. Police simply apply the applicable charge that they are supposed to enforce based on the crimes committed. 

Wait, i think you went past my point. The point is time is precious and this is a game, and the prison time should be lower, atleast for non harming crimes, but even for harming crimes. Someone earlier stated that prevents criminals from doing crimes ( or something among these lines ), but i feel  like you should want criminals to do crimes, so you can actually have fun playing this. Shootouts, chases anything that a LEO should do.   And me, yeah i want to go in game, start a chase, take a 30 min break in doc, it's healthy ( i take bathroom break eat, talk to my wife, etc ) and do another one after,  if i evade good if i get caught still good, it is what it is. But spending 1 or more hours in a virtual prison is kind of stupid? Look  to end this all, I strongly believe we play this for X amount of hours to have fun right? 

[DaddyShrood]

55 minutes ago, vasiman said:

Wait, i think you went past my point. The point is time is precious and this is a game, and the prison time should be lower, atleast for non harming crimes, but even for harming crimes. Someone earlier stated that prevents criminals from doing crimes ( or something among these lines ), but i feel  like you should want criminals to do crimes, so you can actually have fun playing this. Shootouts, chases anything that a LEO should do.   And me, yeah i want to go in game, start a chase, take a 30 min break in doc, it's healthy ( i take bathroom break eat, talk to my wife, etc ) and do another one after,  if i evade good if i get caught still good, it is what it is. But spending 1 or more hours in a virtual prison is kind of stupid? Look  to end this all, I strongly believe we play this for X amount of hours to have fun right? 

If you don't value prison RP then there's plenty of other servers which will cater to the kind of role-play you desire. 

You seem to have the mindset that the prison serves no real purpose, which isn't something that ECRP has ever adopted and is unlikely to adopt.

[vasiman]

16 hours ago, DaddyShrood said:

If you don't value prison RP then there's plenty of other servers which will cater to the kind of role-play you desire. 

You seem to have the mindset that the prison serves no real purpose, which isn't something that ECRP has ever adopted and is unlikely to adopt.

Another one that goes over my point. Dude I did not said i do not value prison RP ( even tho there is like none, guards do not want to do activies, they just sit arround doin nothing, but the same 3 repetitive tasks, I would know i have had a character in DOC ) I said that there is too much downtime for a game maaan.