Massive Crim Nerf

[synnrsavior]

1 minute ago, alexalex303 said:

When an LEO arrests a crim, what do they gain? When you find the answer to that question, you might realize why they don't lose anything else either.

Hopefully a fun RP situation (along with the guaranteed hourly pay and bonuses), which is what we are here for, and those of us who are here for RP want to provide that. But without an upside for crims, they just won't.

[synnrsavior]

2 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

be me
play as a literal homeless drunk idiot
have a TON of fun with RP situations, progress through a gang and become high command, never touch drug labs
somehow walk away with millions in assets and over a million in the bank from just being a dufus.
Profit?

I love your character, and I love that you did that. But RP isn't cookie cutter, it should be like improv, people living out their character in their way within the rules.

[Quietthecutie]

14 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

this update is the begining of the end of crim rp

Tbh heard this many times before. crim RP still keeps chugging on. must be doing something right...

15 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

played crim before crim was nerfed hard several times only this year alone

I Still play my crim, Was on her yesterday. Robbed some stores, got into a chase with PD, shot a cop, got beat, spent 2 hours in DOC, played some piano. It was nice. 

The biggest thing for me was switching my mental from "must make money" to "must have fun." and just shaping my actions around that instead. Money is nice and if i can make some, great. but I can also get by just fine without it. And i'm a happier gamer for it.

[Mrpyth0n33]

Just now, Demonmit1 said:

be me
play as a literal homeless drunk idiot
have a TON of fun with RP situations, progress through a gang and become high command, never touch drug labs
somehow walk away with millions in assets and over a million in the bank from just being a dufus.
Profit?

Always having a civ job and just evading is not putting hours, days, months even years into main crim either as I said LEO mains with troll, crim alts always criticising current crim circumstances, remember I was a crim before you created "Billy the drunk" as a troll/meme character, and even then crime were not nerfed half as much as they are now, point of this post is not how crim life used to be it's how much of a grind it has now come to, please highlight how it encourages role play to have to grind 4x as much as it was, you say cook and sell high grade drugs to others, to get to level 100 you need to cook 13k of drugs, there are people who are not willing to sit and pray they don't get pushed for hours everyday to reach that level in a few months so they just use their already acquired weapons to push, rob and take your drugs, chop parts etc not every interaction is essentially role play, it's just that, an interaction or encounter

[Demonmit1]

25 minutes ago, synnrsavior said:

I love your character, and I love that you did that. But RP isn't cookie cutter, it should be like improv, people living out their character in their way within the rules.

 

21 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

Always having a civ job and just evading is not putting hours, days, months even years into main crim either as I said LEO mains with troll, crim alts always criticising current crim circumstances, remember I was a crim before you created "Billy the drunk" as a troll/meme character, and even then crime were not nerfed half as much as they are now, point of this post is not how crim life used to be it's how much of a grind it has now come to, please highlight how it encourages role play to have to grind 4x as much as it was, you say cook and sell high grade drugs to others, to get to level 100 you need to cook 13k of drugs, there are people who are not willing to sit and pray they don't get pushed for hours everyday to reach that level in a few months so they just use their already acquired weapons to push, rob and take your drugs, chop parts etc not every interaction is essentially role play, it's just that, an interaction or encounter

I have... thousands of hours on this server at this point, spread across dedicated civilian, criminal, and law enforcement characters. My civilian main worked at weazel for 8 months and in that time built up well over 10 million in assets, and has a business that if i still regularly played on the character, has the very easy potential to bring in nearly 600k a month passive income. 

Yeah, i haven't played Billy as a full on crim since February, but the ways i made money are still entirely functional and achievable. like i said, i never interacted with drug labs at all. i didnt consider the risk worth the reward for my character. Billy was started as a troll character, but things developed to the point that decisions I made or was involved in on Billy have had lasting impacts on the server to this day. The issue with combat MG MkII's i was a big part in that as i sold SO MANY of those as Billy.


SO MUCH of this conversation, from my perspective, looks and feels like people complaining that the easiest way to make money on the server by 10 fold everything else has been nerfed. I never interacted with it when it was the easiest profit, so the nerf now being a thing still doesn't affect how I made money before the nerf.

The way it seems, is that players are so highly focused on making money rather than having fun, that they're easy money is now gone and they're all upset over it. Focus on having fun and the money comes with it. if your version of "having fun" is focused solely on getting more money to buy bigger guns than the other guys to kill them, maybe this isnt the server for you to play on? make something unique, dont join the problem of the PVP mentality.

you don't get to start from day one roleplaying as a drug kingpin or expert meth cook. you start at 0 and put the effort into developing that roleplay. if you don't want to put effort into developing the story of your character to achieve what you want, what else do you expect?

Edited June 23, 2025 by Demonmit1

[Mrpyth0n33]

5 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

Still play my crim, Was on her yesterday. Robbed some stores, got into a chase with PD, shot a cop, got beat, spent 2 hours in DOC, played some piano. It was nice. 

Exactly you just logged 8n for a change of scenery, a quick evade a quick gun fight and you get beat go to doc log out and into your main character, not much of a grind felt as you no longer main your crim it's the people who spend hours everyday on crim and can feel the grind that are complaining, not the casual every once in a while, because I still have a crim alt

 

8 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

bh heard this many times before. crim RP still keeps chugging on. must be doing something right...

And how was the player count, then vs now, we should be listening to concerns not shutting them down with you will be fine, it's nothing new to complain, you will get over it in the years I been on here I seen people come and go, even saw a new player comment on this exact thread saying he doesn't like what he has read and he has only been here almost 2 weeks

[Quietthecutie]

6 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

And how was the player count, then vs now

A drop in player count is inevitable as the streamer boom and lockdown ended coupled together with an ageing game. all servers took a hit. thats not indicative of a problem you are alleging.

6 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

Exactly you just logged 8n for a change of scenery, a quick evade a quick gun fight and you get beat go to doc log out and into your main character

That is not what happened. perhaps you should stop making assumptions on other peoples experiences to suit your narrative and accept that plenty of people simply do not share your views.

Is Crim RP Perfect? far from it. but i believe the issues to be more Social, rather than mechanical or economical. If youre the type of gamer who likes to grind crim for 10+ hours a day, fair play to you, but I wouldn't enjoy playing any role like that currently. for context on my LEO ive only been making min hours for the past month. sometimes not even that. 

Actually most of my times been spent on my DJ/Musician because again, fun ops to be had.

Edited June 23, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[synnrsavior]

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perhaps you should stop making assumptions on other peoples experiences to suit your narrative and accept that plenty of people simply do not share your views.

I think this is really good advice for all of us, we all want to make the community better, more RP focused and receptive to people's RP as long as it falls inside the rules. I would love for this to become a positive place to talk about this and not just defense vs offense. We don't need PVP in the forum.

Edited June 23, 2025 by synnrsavior

[Mrpyth0n33]

4 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

The way it seems, is that players are so highly focused on making money rather than having fun, that they're easy money is now gone and they're all upset over it. Focus on having fun and the money comes with it. if your version of "having fun" is getting more money to buy bigger guns than the other guys to kill them, maybe this isnt the server for you to play on? make something unique, dont join the problem of the PVP mentality.

Actually I don't do labs either, but the people I rp with make their money from it to come and interact with us as a faction, so less people wanna cook due to the risk vs reward, as you said was already not worth it and has now massively been nerfed and as you said you never bothered with it yet you criticise the people who in fact take the risk, to get the reward I'm not in labs 24/7 but I respect how each player chooses to play and you shooting down their concerns seems not very nice, they spend hours cooking praying they don't get pushed by other crim, robbed of hours of time spent, or cops comping the lab, they found the risk vs reward worth it now they raise concerns over the change and all you do it criticism, you chose to play leo and they chose that avenue to shoot their concerns down saying stop crying these other ways to make money yet you say its not as lucrative, no one grinds to only buy guns trust me, what did you grind for as a crim ? Cars houses events everything costs money, 8f all Leo's pay per hour got nerfed x4 and they complained about it, I personally wouldn't tell them stop crying because I'm not the one it impacts

[Demonmit1]

3 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

you criticise the people who in fact take the risk, to get the reward I'm not in labs 24/7 but I respect how each player chooses to play and you shooting down their concerns seems not very nice, they spend hours cooking praying they don't get pushed by other crim, robbed of hours of time spent, or cops comping the lab,

this is where we disagree. I believe people chose to solely focus on cooking drugs, not for the sake of roleplaying some drug cooking character arc, but for the sake that pre-nerf it was 10x the income of anything else on the server. 98% of criminals I interacted with as both a crim myself and as law enforcement, dont play a character. they play themselves, self inserted into the game like its GTA online with extra steps.

Drug cooking now has a skill system, and an actual benefit to players who want to become dedicated cooks, but the profit is now in line with the rest of the ways to make money on the server. people complaining about that feels disingenuous. 

[synnrsavior]

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Drug cooking now has a skill system,

Just for clarity, all scriptly crime has this change in differing levels.

[Mrpyth0n33]

15 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

That is not what happened. perhaps you should stop making assumptions on other peoples experiences to suit your narrative and accept that plenty of people simply do not share your views.

I appoligise if that's how it came across, I simply wanted to bring about that exact point, it's disappointing to see people criticize the avenue other players have chosen in the server, and enjoy it, I'm simply telling it as I see it, don't mean to be on the offense or defense but as someone that plays crim and doesn't go to labs I see the concerns of those who do and being told, get better is not the way to comfort these players concerns, especially from players who admitted they have never played that avenue, it's all personal choice, I love dj quiet by the way, if ever anyone asks me if I know a dj I always have and always will say find dj quiet or sammy

[Diabolical]

My thoughts on those change is indifferent, I love the fact ill be repaid for my efforts compared to someone whos new, however being as someones whos put in hours grinding different crime only to be told "hey your going to be paid less than what you would have" is super demoralizing, I think the idea is great but the lack of incentive to reclimb  is a problem, id be happy if they gave better prices for max level then previous but kept us starting low, that seems balanced and a good compromise. 

I know alot of crims dislike the changes and the last thing i want to do after a hard days graft irl is to come home to play a video game and have to dedicate my hours to a second graft. i cant roleplay as a criminal if im spending half my time making  afraction of my money because i just evaded from the police, or did any scene for police rp. i would love to see some balance and remind us all this is a video game to make it fun and fair for the sake of all players enjoyment 

[Mrpyth0n33]

7 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

this is where we disagree. I believe people chose to solely focus on cooking drugs, not for the sake of roleplaying some drug cooking character arc, but for the sake that pre-nerf it was 10x the income of anything else on the server. 98% of criminals I interacted with as both a crim myself and as law enforcement, dont play a character. they play themselves, self inserted into the game like its GTA online with extra steps.

Drug cooking now has a skill system, and an actual benefit to players who want to become dedicated cooks, but the profit is now in line with the rest of the ways to make money on the server. people complaining about that feels disingenuous. 

Same can be said about other avenues on the server, bank robberies don't have role play either for example, I met Leo's who don't play a character, they simply use the scripts available, there's a difference between role-playing and interacting, people criticise lab life repetitive demands and actions, same can be said about LEOs traffic stop, check licence write citation or step out of the car frisk and /jail, or read rights after cuffs and /jail, little rp lots of interactions. Not just people who plays drug avenues do repetitive tasks for the same outcome, and it's not just drugs that were nerfed ALL crim activities were nerfed to be on the same level monetary wise as they were after months of grind to get max level, go jobs pay per the hour guaranteed hourly salary even if you die or get kidnapped on duty so you don't lose a thing, I think why many complain about the cooking compared to other activities is the risk involved

[Vardan Sarkissian]

See the issue is that a lot of main crims are trying to explain that they don't want to grind all day long to be able to finance their RP in game and most of the answers are "I don't need grind" "I have a company" "I can be dofus and still win" I,I,I,I. Guys we understand you are great hustlers and get all you need while grinding 15min between two sex sessions with your lovers HOWEVER there is a general sentiment among main crim characters that now they will have to spend way more time doing repetitive tasks they didn't like to do even before this update. I have the impression most of you don't have the slightest idea of what is it to be a main crim on ECRP and what it requieres (regardless of how many tier 4 gangs you have been part of). I will not respond under this thread anymore as it seems like we turn around the same thesis and antithesis all the time.

I really hope admins will reconcider this update cause this will bleed the crim community. Some ppl will join legals some will just leave. I alreeady had my first loss yesterday. 

[Ritchie Stones]

10 hours ago, Earl Mud said:

That's just time on tables. Not accounting for the hours upon hours picking plants prior 

and finding the active labs, if you know all locations to begin with, see if they free, then not getting robbed, or shot.
be gone be boke for some time boys XDXD haha

[Ritchie Stones]

2 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

A drop in player count is inevitable as the streamer boom and lockdown ended coupled together with an ageing game. all servers took a hit. thats not indicative of a problem you are alleging.

That is not what happened. perhaps you should stop making assumptions on other peoples experiences to suit your narrative and accept that plenty of people simply do not share your views.

Is Crim RP Perfect? far from it. but i believe the issues to be more Social, rather than mechanical or economical. If youre the type of gamer who likes to grind crim for 10+ hours a day, fair play to you, but I wouldn't enjoy playing any role like that currently. for context on my LEO ive only been making min hours for the past month. sometimes not even that. 

Actually most of my times been spent on my DJ/Musician because again, fun ops to be had.

yo, i have heard on a few occations that before the covid the player base was +500 everyday, i only came in in november 2020 so i was already in the boom and not prior to that.

can you confirm ? 

[Ritchie Stones]

1 hour ago, Vardan Sarkissian said:

See the issue is that a lot of main crims are trying to explain that they don't want to grind all day long to be able to finance their RP in game and most of the answers are "I don't need grind" "I have a company" "I can be dofus and still win" I,I,I,I. Guys we understand you are great hustlers and get all you need while grinding 15min between two sex sessions with your lovers HOWEVER there is a general sentiment among main crim characters that now they will have to spend way more time doing repetitive tasks they didn't like to do even before this update. I have the impression most of you don't have the slightest idea of what is it to be a main crim on ECRP and what it requieres (regardless of how many tier 4 gangs you have been part of). I will not respond under this thread anymore as it seems like we turn around the same thesis and antithesis all the time.

I really hope admins will reconcider this update cause this will bleed the crim community. Some ppl will join legals some will just leave. I alreeady had my first loss yesterday. 

that company thing is directed to me XD sheesh owkay, 
well here is the thing, if you would not have to grind lets say not even at all the only thing you will be doing is clapping, because your already bored, thats why people are clapping and a mix of competition feeling, nothing to wrong with that on my oppinion.

but, here is a thing you need to consider, you only pay value to what you have and do because its hard.
whenever something is easy you consider it not worth your attention. so i think this update, might actualy keep everyone bussy for sometime, it gives purpose, challenge, oppertunity, whenever i see people not having much on their hands they get very depressed so this might be good, im sorry if it doesnt align with your current vallue's, but i think that this is going to change crim, im also taking a hit into this btw because i am 100% crim alltime, and the grind wil be long, but its something to do other than beefing around all day.

 

[Mrpyth0n33]

6 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

well here is the thing, if you would not have to grind lets say not even at all the only thing you will be doing is clapping, because your already bored, thats why people are clapping and a mix of competition feeling, nothing to wrong with that on my oppinion.

This chain of thinking is where devs and founders get confused, alot of people, would not just go clapping, they might actually have time to unwind hang out with friends, role play more outside of just grinding, rolling labs for easy pickings if money is easier accessible less people would be inclined to just fight to take what others grind for because why? I earned enough to be happy with for the day so I'd love to spend some time socialising away from the grind? Just maybe there's so many more that think like that, often times I get asked by people I just wanna hang out with, let's rather go do stores or a bank I wanna save to get a new elegy or whatever, I need a house I need to grind, imma go do trucking I need 100k more we will hang later. Etc, less grind more socialising time for crims like civs and legals do, as their paycheck is garaunteed, no risk, no fines 

[CharlesXiao]

35 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

yo, i have heard on a few occations that before the covid the player base was +500 everyday, i only came in in november 2020 so i was already in the boom and not prior to that.

Prior to lockdown, early parts of the year 2020 the server pop averaged around 400/500+ 

Good times that!

[raganrogaine]

51 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

and finding the active labs, if you know all locations to begin with, see if they free, then not getting robbed, or shot.
be gone be boke for some time boys XDXD haha

super riveting roleplay when someone walks up with /s hands or die and points a .50 at you. They pick your pockets and tables clean, take your car, and take the phone battery out. You spend a while gathering plants, materials, getting it all ready to go, you're there for a few mins then boom robbed. All your progress is gone. I guess they just want crims to work legal jobs, let their turfs deteriorate and ignore faction management when they say "we want you to beef more people, be more dominant." If we ain't making shit, we won't be able to do what FM wants from us.

[Ritchie Stones]

I think that everything this update offers is amazing and i think all of you guys would to. If the dip in money making would not have been so crazy low. And IF the final level would be also a very big profit difference to what was prior to the update, then its an aim up

[Ritchie Stones]

5 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

you absolutely can. I can sell purely just LSD to my dealers and upkeep my turfs. sure, its balanced to pay out less and less if you only sell one type, but it doesnt effect your power in any meaningful way. again, the outcome is less money. the point of selling to dealers should be order power, not massive profits. 

I was high command of a tier 4 faction, it was my job to make sure turfs were maintained. 

The reason why you "have got to do different drugs" is you're gaming the system of the dealers. if you sold in the correct pattern, you could boost the sell value of whatever drug you're trying to sell to get even more money out of dealer than the default sell value. that is still going to be a thing, and the bigger gangs are still going to do that. I did that to make money buying drugs at default value from other players and gangs.

Didnt they got rid of that system almost 2 years ago? To not make the price stack up in certain order ?

[CharlesXiao]

15 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

Didnt they got rid of that system almost 2 years ago? To not make the price stack up in certain order ?

It wasn't removed, and is still commonly used today by a niche amount of crims

[admiraljenkins]

On 6/23/2025 at 1:56 AM, Astrx said:

What I am getting from this whole thread is "we don't get enough money". The updates are not the issue, all of you are, change your mindset, not everything is about money and assets.

"Just buy a house" type response.