License suspension AGAIN

[Trevor Zelias]

Not sure how this have not been changed to lower it. I can speak for many criminals that they quit after having their license suspended for 24 hours. You can't really play the main game at all. If you grab DCC and go to paleto and back if there was RP there its 20k+ A new player for example could never pay that since it is like 3+ days of work. DCC Prices are x10 the money you make as a new player or a new character. And I rather take 12 hours in jail then 24 hour suspension on my license since then I can at least get my car out after I get released. Maybe adding where you get 2-3 hours after jail would be fine. I can confirm yet again with people if you get 24 hour suspension you don't play or if you do and get caught as a passanger and get another 24 hours you basically quit the server for 2+ days.

 

And since this is a server with no NPC/Locals you can't really take a car and actually play the main game we are playing GTA. Most FiveM servers have this making the new player just not join or ever comeback since PD loves to suspend them for 24 hours. If I were to not have like at least 3 cars and a New player I would of quit this server and not touch it ever again because of this reasoning. The prison/jail is fine they dont care about that but dont hinder them being able to play here with a 1 day suspension. And you can say "oh they have "new player" ontop of their head. You lose it after x amount of XP that takes no time to lose and when its gone they get the suspension if PD were nice when they had the tag ontop of them. 

 

This has some stuff with the "get players back and get new players." I think main reason why people dont login under 2+ days and the server pop is low is because you get 2-12 hour jail then you still can't play the game because of 1 WHOLE day suspension of the licenses. And yeah "get more cars". A new player or someone with 20-50k XP legal/criminal don't have 25k+ to spend on 5-6 different cars.

 

And there is a mini game about this. Get suspended, wait 24 hours then you get to mini boss of getting into Impound lot then the main boss is the SD/PD and having to wait for 5-60 mintues on a cop to show up. This could easily be automated with the script checking if x amount of cops are there. If there are give them a command /noimpound if they can't come and if thise x person has no suspension release it. Almost every server in the entire GTA 5 universe if FiveM or Rage has something that help with this.

 

 

 

 

TL;DR: The suspension is making current players/new players quit for x amount of time and/or forever. A fix that could be done by the Devs is lets say you go to jail you get X amount of hours. And after the release make it so you have suspended license for maybe 2-4 hours making it so you can play the game itself GTA 5 since main thing is driving around. People saying "do the crime do the time". Yes I'd say so if DCC did not cost x10 and took 5-10k going to Paleto and back would be x2. No legal/New Player job makes that within 1 week even. And if they have exact amount XP for the New Player tag removed still they dont have close to that amount. People DO QUIT because of the suspension and don't play for many days/weeks me included with this.

 

Also if you paid 100+ EUROs for a car you dont want it to be impounded for 24 hours it is HARD earned IRL MONEY.

 

 

Thanks and love, Trevor Zelias / Richard Forth  xoxo

[GodDammitKopi]

I just drive anyway when my license is suspended.

[crystianaxo]

Don't get me wrong, I hate having my license suspended as much as everyone else, but it doesn't really prevent you from doing anything, except drive legally and getting your vehicles from the impound. You can still drive, you just run the risk of being pulled over and arrested for driving on a suspended license. Steal a car, borrow someone's car, buy more vehicles, ride a BMX bike, etc.

[Bala]

There is a fine line of balance. Make something too strict and it negatively impacts players. Make something too relaxed and it invites negative behaviors and a lack of consequences.

Also, to your point about the credit cars, you're paying for a car that you use in-character, not out of character. It's subject to the same in-character laws as anything else in the server.

Jail time is usually around 1-2 hours. Most people would probably play 2-3 hours at most in one go.
At that point, there would be little point suspending the license at all, for the sake of maybe an extra hour of suspension time.

Also, bare in mind, it's OOC time, so you could get put in prison, log off, log back on later that same day and you can grab your license again? That's silly.

I think that 12-24 hours, depending on the severity of the crime would be fair. I'm not sure if the license automatically comes back when the suspension goes or what you need to do to get it back, but i'd have no problem with the license being valid against after the suspension period is over.

Edited May 1, 2025 by Bala

[alexalex303]

11 minutes ago, Bala said:

I'm not sure if the license automatically comes back when the suspension goes or what you need to do to get it back

The license automagically shows up in your pocket when the time expires, don't even have to do a command. 

[Bala]

38 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

The license automagically shows up in your pocket when the time expires, don't even have to do a command. 

Magic. Never bought a license on my crim and obviously never lost it on Bala so, I didn't know.

[eco376]

3 hours ago, GodDammitKopi said:

I just drive anyway when my license is suspended.

That's cool and all bro, but isnt the point of the post

[SteakHappy]

Honestly, 24 hours is fine. Believe it or not, if we didn't have consequences or any risk to our actions, crim would be significantly less fun.

They shouldn't stack though. It can just be way too much, especially if you're in a faction that is being actively suppressed by PD/SD.

If you get a license suspension with an already suspended license, it should just reset to a full 24 hours from that moment rather than tacking on another entire 24 hours + the original suspension.

 

[dominator]

24 hours license suspension used to be an issue when I had only 1 or maybe 2 cars. But now that I have like 7ish and I can buy 5-6 more if needed. Suspension no longer pose any threat to my sanity.

 

 

[PufferBulletin]

I think it should be changed to 12 hours for the first suspension, and 24 for the second if caught again without a license and so on plus add different charges, I.E you run from police and decide to shoot - thats 24 hours, you just try to run - 12

This would still let you to have fun tomorrow if caught for the first time and would punish you for repeating the offence. I think everyone wins in such scenario. Crims can wake up next morning and have fun, PD don't get as much increase in chases just for fun.

Edited May 1, 2025 by PufferBulletin

[Demonmit1]

this was restricted due to the suspension script being based on days, not hours. its now based on hours, so there is script support to reduce the suspension time. from here, it needs to be handled IC through SASG, JB, LEO factions, and Law Review Committee.

it needs to be changed from an in character position now since the script was changed to hours, not days

[Eliza]

I don’t think the license suspension system by itself is that bad, to be honest. There’s still a bunch of ways to get around, grab a taxi, hop on a citybee, ride a bike, walk it out, or be a passenger princess with the homies. Yeah, it’s not as convenient as your own car, but it’s not like you’re fully locked out of the game either.

I definitely get the frustration with the impound wait times though, and have been at the bad end of the stick on many occasions. Sitting there hoping a cop shows up can feel like watching paint dry, especially if you just want to get back to playing. That could use some love, but I think that’s kind of a separate issue from the suspension itself.

(Also... don’t tell PD but I still drive on a suspended license.)

[Trevor Zelias]

9 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

this was restricted due to the suspension script being based on days, not hours. its now based on hours, so there is script support to reduce the suspension time. from here, it needs to be handled IC through SASG, JB, LEO factions, and Law Review Committee.

it needs to be changed from an in character position now since the script was changed to hours, not days

Yeah, That is probably the thing that needs to happen but im just thinking of the long run for ECRP as Bala stated on anohter post about what stage ECRP is on and all that. I've also said couple of times that it would be cool if the devs could script in if you get jailed for 6 hours the suspension of 4 hours or something starts after as a slap on the wrist. Hopefully something will be done either with IC stuff or something small like my idea.

[Trevor Zelias]

4 hours ago, Eliza said:

I don’t think the license suspension system by itself is that bad, to be honest. There’s still a bunch of ways to get around, grab a taxi, hop on a citybee, ride a bike, walk it out, or be a passenger princess with the homies. Yeah, it’s not as convenient as your own car, but it’s not like you’re fully locked out of the game either.

I definitely get the frustration with the impound wait times though, and have been at the bad end of the stick on many occasions. Sitting there hoping a cop shows up can feel like watching paint dry, especially if you just want to get back to playing. That could use some love, but I think that’s kind of a separate issue from the suspension itself.

(Also... don’t tell PD but I still drive on a suspended license.)

Yeah, I do see what you mean with your post but im thinking of the entire picture and playerbase of ECRP. Many people can't afford the DCC since it is over inflated with the prices. Something that could be fixed is automated fares depending on a players xp. BMX still cost almost as much as a Warrner (BMX 7.5). Which also defeat the purpose of letting a new player not get their car and stuff back, Citybee only works if no DCC is on-duty which is a 50/50 almost at all times. EU time you defenitly can get them easier but I guess under NA/Late night you hardly can. And if you're going into the server with no friends or with a new friend you really don't have the access to a friends vehicle since there is no NPCs like FiveM has. I have played couple of FiveM and tested it out and it was one of the best things being able to drive and picklock cars without automation BOLO coming out after 5 minutes.

 

What my post is mostly about is about the RP Health, Player health and about bringing in new players and wanting them to stay. I can almost bet money on the fact that if a player with I guess you lose New Player status still at 5k? After that get a 24 hour suspension their only warrner that was already hard enough to get is impounded they quit the server and go to another one that is friendly on the player base in a whole and new players generally.

[Trevor Zelias]

12 hours ago, PufferBulletin said:

I think it should be changed to 12 hours for the first suspension, and 24 for the second if caught again without a license and so on plus add different charges, I.E you run from police and decide to shoot - thats 24 hours, you just try to run - 12

This would still let you to have fun tomorrow if caught for the first time and would punish you for repeating the offence. I think everyone wins in such scenario. Crims can wake up next morning and have fun, PD don't get as much increase in chases just for fun.

As of lately I think PD just gets shot if they do pull someone over since the lose of licenses is just way too high for the jail time + suspension you get. You have a better chance of trying to kill the cop pulling you over. I feel as if there was a system in place where you could have the time start after the jail/prison sentence it would be great to have it be like 4 hours, 8 hours and have a max of maybe 24 hours. It is easy to just script in that /suspendlicense resets the timer if they are at max 24 hours after everything. It clearly needs an update for the system with /license /suspend (or what the command is) and just some QoL update with it. This includes the Impound and Mors. 

[Trevor Zelias]

17 hours ago, dominator said:

24 hours license suspension used to be an issue when I had only 1 or maybe 2 cars. But now that I have like 7ish and I can buy 5-6 more if needed. Suspension no longer pose any threat to my sanity.

 

 

Yeah, but what I'm aiming at is not that "You and others have 7+ cars". It is more the ENTIRE server from the New players with 0 XP and base starting money (dont know what it is now exactly). And if they get a suspension they lose money from the arrest, having to try to escape in a warrner when PD have cars that go 200+ and not giving them a fair chance of escaping and getting hit with the other stuff. They dont get released and have 100k+ and 7+ cars. They most likely go to impound the PD say no and they just alt f4 never touching ECRP again that is a loss from a permanent player as a whole and the chance of him bringing in +1 friend. Not sure why people compare your storage to new players / new criminals that clearly just started here when there is servers with NPC cars and suspension just messes up a small amount for them not hindering entirely of playing on ECRP

[Trevor Zelias]

On 5/1/2025 at 6:20 AM, SteakHappy said:

Honestly, 24 hours is fine. Believe it or not, if we didn't have consequences or any risk to our actions, crim would be significantly less fun.

They shouldn't stack though. It can just be way too much, especially if you're in a faction that is being actively suppressed by PD/SD.

If you get a license suspension with an already suspended license, it should just reset to a full 24 hours from that moment rather than tacking on another entire 24 hours + the original suspension.

 

Heres the thing. 24 hours is not fine when you hardly get that on any other server. People might say this is a "hard RP server". Being here since 2017 I can tell you it is not close to being rated to that. Every post/review you see is saying its low to med RP rating. There have been times where the Admin Team have done really great things and made it pick up to becoming Hard RP server but it have fallen as it either have given up on that system or I guess some internal problems. And I rather have 24 hours in jail then having my license suspended 24 hours because I'm able to take it down with stamps and all that and getting released it would just mean I'm back to RPing and being able to play. 

 

Having suspension starting at 4 hours to 8 hours and so on. Maybe using demerits as "oh you got two demerits this week that would be 8 hour suspension". Just a entire day just to drive in the server to either get a whole new day again after having it back makes people quit and makes new player dont wanna stay at all. If you pick a car people instantly call 911, if you picklock one of the NPC cars it gets auto boloed out. So there is no in between wanting to play either if you dont have 7+ cars and/or friends that have same amount of cars. 

[Trevor Zelias]

On 5/1/2025 at 3:54 AM, Bala said:

Magic. Never bought a license on my crim and obviously never lost it on Bala so, I didn't know.

I do see what you mean and all with the post but one thing that would be nice and funny is if you had a small suspension for 2 or 4 hours and you have to go back to DMV and re-take it would be fun and a way to remove some money generated into ECRP: But that kind of counters the entire thing with there are no rentable cars, no NPC cars that are not boloed automatically onto MDC after 5 min. But then if it is just couple of hours of suspension they could take it out of impound pretty quickly.

[Trevor Zelias]

On 5/1/2025 at 2:49 AM, crystianaxo said:

Don't get me wrong, I hate having my license suspended as much as everyone else, but it doesn't really prevent you from doing anything, except drive legally and getting your vehicles from the impound. You can still drive, you just run the risk of being pulled over and arrested for driving on a suspended license. Steal a car, borrow someone's car, buy more vehicles, ride a BMX bike, etc.

But if you are a new player with hardly 10-20k and you don't have either 20k to do a house robbery or know all the labs and only work is trucking, ATM driver and so on. Stealing a car does not really work since there is /showvehicle that work if you just exit it. Borrowing is one of the hardest thing in the city if you have not met or have someone that has many cars. Because if a friend is with you in the car chase they lose their license too. Which just makes it so 2 want to leave the server if they cant get any of thier cars. and still BMX is 7.5k it is 1 hour of trucking for one bike it does not sound a lot for maybe you but for someone just starting new on ECRP it is WAY too much to pay and you can argue DCC but that cost 5k+ to go to Paleto since the fare is 300-500/mile and you're forced to pay without being able to do a dash without paying. And the DCC request says the name instantly so you get blacklisted. So it is not just "buy a bike" "buy a new car" for the person just joining and losing their new player status as it is over priced.

[MrSilky]

Hi there,

There is currently ongoing IC discussion between law enforcement leadership and JB/GOV regarding reduction of license suspension times so keep a look out for any press released/penal code amendments hopefully soon! 

[Trevor Zelias]

4 minutes ago, MrSilky said:

Hi there,

There is currently ongoing IC discussion between law enforcement leadership and JB/GOV regarding reduction of license suspension times so keep a look out for any press released/penal code amendments hopefully soon! 

Ohh, that is lovely to hear! Thank you Silky for the info about this and that it is being thought of!

[JWIT1]

Hello, there was an IC Bill that went through the Law Review Committee, and the following has been implemented that can be found within the recent Penal Code amendments section.
https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewtopic.php?p=1027127#p1027127

[dominator]

22 minutes ago, JWIT1 said:

Hello, there was an IC Bill that went through the Law Review Committee, and the following has been implemented that can be found within the recent Penal Code amendments section.
https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewtopic.php?p=1027127#p1027127

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