Lower the tax.

[Rover Smith]

It's so annoying for a citizen without a credit card ((VIP)) to get taxed 35%.

 

I have to work 50 hours to get 250k because I'm in a high-tax bracket because I can't afford getting a Credit Card ((Not all of the player base is from UK or US..etc. I'm simply from Egypt which is a 3rd world country and getting VIP is mostly impossible even if I have the money for it or want to because also Credit Cards are banned to use internationally currently.))

 

QUICK EDIT: I'M NOT SAYING REMOVE THE VIP BENEFIT FOR TAX REBATE JUST FIND A MIDDLE SOULTION SIMPLY RAISE THE BRACKETS.

 

((Server feels like it's slowly becoming P2W; getting the best cars in the game with credits but I don't care. Getting a license plate, changing the number or apartment, or all of those other things, I don't mind. but also having a lower tax that just makes you make money way easier than the people who work and put in crazy hours of work is crazy.))

 

((I can understand that the Admins/Devs..etc needs to make money and keep the server running that is fair. but also try to make it a little more fair for players.))

Edited August 16, 2024 by Rover Smith
Clarification

[Ash]

I agree with the suggestion, they need modifying so there’s a higher threshold for the largest tax bracket (I am in lowest currently because my character is broke so I gain nothing from this).

that being said, there are ways you can tax avoid in-character to not lose 35%  @jason would know

[Rover Smith]

17 minutes ago, Ash said:

I agree with the suggestion, they need modifying so there’s a higher threshold for the largest tax bracket (I am in lowest currently because my character is broke so I gain nothing from this).

that being said, there are ways you can tax avoid in-character to not lose 35%  @jason would know

I understand you could avoid tax but my character is legal and doing that is a crime and would simply get me fired from my job and then I have to play as a crim.

[Charlie2231]

I feel like the server is becoming very P2W too. Taxes need to be reduced 

[ChickenNuggets]

+1 For legal characters, its not fair. Salaries must be exempt or at the very least taxed less (5-10%).

Edited August 15, 2024 by ChickenNuggets

[N00BST3R]

I agree to the above. Even if the tax rates are fixed, players will still get the VIP subscriptions, they're still have amazing perks. But, as it was stated earlier some players really have a hard time to grind especially they have IRL responsibilities, and they wanna enjoy the game with a legal character. I don't see where the admins/devs lose money in this, personally if the tax rates are fixed I'm gonna still use the Diamond VIP.

[Nominged]

As someone who has diamond VIP just for the sake of the tax, i agree with rover. The tax percentage for high bracket should either be lowered or have the threshold for what is high tax be jacked way up where it starts at 4m + or something. That would leave plenty of time for legal characters to enjoy the money before they can learn to enjoy the RP.

[VXRIL]

I agree, even tho i am only in the middle tax bracket it is still hard to earn money with the tax brackets being so low, i would say either lower the tax % or make the tax thresholds be higher

[Nuggie]

I agree, As Losing 35% of your Overall Income is Kinda like -_- Yikes... its like oh you work 60 hours 360000 on your paycheck.. but after taxs your only getting like 300 or 270k I just feel like its harder to hit goals. But its not really my choice to say how things work

[Danny_V]

+1

I think the problem lies with the VIP tier getting a tax rebate rather than taxes being too high. 35% tax seems reasonable as an income tax for the wealthiest people on the server. I do feel that the threshold for highest tax bracket could be higher, and the current 1m threshold should be like 25%, but ultimately I see it as way more problematic that VIP just be given the amount they payed in tax back. It creates a divide that is in my opinion undesirable. Being vip pretty much lets you live tax free, keep all your money and inflate the economy that way. Give everyone the same tax brackets regardless of VIP status and it levels the playing field.

With the current bonuses to VIP it is almost as if you're playing a totally different game to people who dont. On the one hand you get more money more easily because you effectively dont pay taxes. And on the other hand you have way less expenses because you get a 4x bigger gas tanks in all your vehicles, you dont really have to eat or drink, this leaves VIP players with a lot more money to spend on houses/assets w/e (in the process inflating the prices of such assets and therefore reinforcing the loop and difference between vip and non-vip)

I do think this current problem could be fixed by lowering the tax, however I think the better IC solution would be to remove the tax benefit for VIPs alongside of lowering it in order to level the playing field.

(I currently have payed for Diamond VIP until may 15th 2025, in case someone may say i'm biased against VIP players, I full well realize I'll lose the benefits I currently have if my suggestion gets implemented. I just think this would benefit the playerbase as a whole if the economy is fair to all)

So +1 for the general idea to fix the current situation

[Elvillainisto95]

+1

[Thwifoo]

i feel like for legal jobs, the tax bracket is kinda brutal since people are actually putting in IRl hours and dedication infront of the screen to actually get that money while illegal ones can just do things to evade taxes and not pay them without putting in as many hours in front of the screen as the legal ones do

 

[Alphus]

+1

[Eliza]

Adjust the tax brackets, the long time rich are getting taxed just as much as someone who buys a house and one or two cars, and gets placed in the high bracket.

[PaulReece]

this server is beginning not to be rp, it is beginning to much to be pay to win we need to fix this admins.

 

Edited August 15, 2024 by PaulReece

[Bala]

Speaking as a Diamond VIP, dont see what all the fuss is about 

[Quietthecutie]

I agree that tax brackets should be split up more sensibly, however 3 points:

1. this is potentially an IC issue. as there are IC channels in the government where this issue can be debated and protested.

2. A more effective suggestion needs to be put in place instead of just "tax too high lower it i cant afford VIP." how would your suggestion actually work in practice?

3. VIP is an optional purchase with some very good potential bonuses for the players who purchase it even at its lower tier. you might call it pay to win(i wouldnt), but its pay to win by design, working perfectly as intended. it sucks that you cant afford it, but heres the hard truth. VIP is like 50-75% of the servers revenue throughout any given year. it is the only consistent monthly income the server sees. it pays for both the servers upkeep, and the salaries of the couple of devs who are responsible for most of the work on the content updates. 

if you are asking to nerf VIP. you also need to accept that the server will have less content going forward, as less people will think buying vip to be worth it, therefore less money for the server to allocate to development.

So in general i dont think tax needs to be reduced across the board. more that the upper tax brackets need to be rethought, and maybe split up more to account for the super rich. legals do get the shaft when it comes to tax but thats true to irl and part of the price you pay for consistent income. and VIP should be completely left out of the discussion.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[Demonmit1]

The problem with the tax system is its just a basic jump up in tax rate, its not progressive. The system needs to be rebuilt to be a progressive tax rate.

What is a progressive tax rate?

say at 500k, you go from 10% tax to 20% tax. (idk the specific tax bracket increase points off the top of my head, so this is just an example)
if you have $495,000, you'd get taxed $49,500 for 10%, leaving you with $445,500
if you have $505,000, you get taxed $101,000 for 20%, leaving you with $404,000
thats how the system works right now. once you hit a new tax bracket your actually making noticeably less money. that's not how taxes work in real life.

if we had a progressive tax system, you'd get taxed 10% on the first $500k, then 20% on the 5k that went over, which would leave you with $454,000. 

obviously with how inflated the money is in game, the upper tax brackets should be increased, but switching to a progressive tax system would be a significant fix as well.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Demonmit1

[Rover Smith]

15 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

I agree that tax brackets should be split up more sensibly, however 3 points:

1. this is potentially an IC issue. as there are IC channels in the government where this issue can be debated and protested.

2. A more effective suggestion needs to be put in place instead of just "tax too high lower it i cant afford VIP." how would your suggestion actually work in practice?

3. VIP is an optional purchase with some very good potential bonuses for the players who purchase it even at its lower tier. you might call it pay to win(i wouldnt), but its pay to win by design, working perfectly as intended. it sucks that you cant afford it, but heres the hard truth. VIP is like 50-75% of the servers revenue throughout any given year. it is the only consistent monthly income the server sees. it pays for both the servers upkeep, and the salaries of the couple of devs who are responsible for most of the work on the content updates. 

if you are asking to nerf VIP. you also need to accept that the server will have less content going forward, as less people will think buying vip to be worth it, therefore less money for the server to allocate to development.

So in general i dont think tax needs to be reduced across the board. more that the upper tax brackets need to be rethought, and maybe split up more to account for the super rich. legals do get the shaft when it comes to tax but thats true to irl and part of the price you pay for consistent income. and VIP should be completely left out of the discussion.

Most of the Diamond VIP users do not disagree with me. Also, a lot of them say that they won't stop buying VIP simply if the tax gets lowered for everyone or even if the if the tax bracket gets changed, so simply ~1.5 million no longer counts as a high bracket; they will still buy VIP for the other benefits. I'm simply starting to dislike the game when I'm supposed to like it! I now have a car that I have been wanting for a long time, and I finally got an apartment. Now to get any money, I need to put in 50 hours, making $6950 an hour, to make only $250,000. Meanwhile, anyone with a VIP will just make way more than I did, and I spent way more time. There are people on the server who have 50 million+ and are giving loans and getting more and more money, while I just have to sit here in front of a monitor for 50 hours instead of enjoying RP or doing fun stuff on the server simply because I'm a legal player.

[Rover Smith]

17 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

The problem with the tax system is its just a basic jump up in tax rate, its not progressive. The system needs to be rebuilt to be a progressive tax rate.

What is a progressive tax rate?

say at 500k, you go from 10% tax to 20% tax. (idk the specific tax bracket increase points off the top of my head, so this is just an example)
if you have $495,000, you'd get taxed $49,500 for 10%, leaving you with $445,500
if you have $505,000, you get taxed $101,000 for 20%, leaving you with $404,000
thats how the system works right now. once you hit a new tax bracket your actually making noticeably less money. that's not how taxes work in real life.

if we had a progressive tax system, you'd get taxed 10% on the first $500k, then 20% on the 5k that went over, which would leave you with $454,000. 

obviously with how inflated the money is in game, the upper tax brackets should be increased, but switching to a progressive tax system would be a significant fix as well.

In my opinion upper tax brackets increase is a must. 

[Rover Smith]

51 minutes ago, Bala said:

Speaking as a Diamond VIP, dont see what all the fuss is about 

If someone doesn't have Diamond VIP and isn't already rich. It's painful to make money anymore and it would just lead you to do Tax Fraud in game which is a crime if you get caught and just ruins your legal character so you're just illegal now.

[lupicek]

11 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

I agree that tax brackets should be split up more sensibly, however 3 points:

1. this is potentially an IC issue. as there are IC channels in the government where this issue can be debated and protested.

2. A more effective suggestion needs to be put in place instead of just "tax too high lower it i cant afford VIP." how would your suggestion actually work in practice?

3. VIP is an optional purchase with some very good potential bonuses for the players who purchase it even at its lower tier. you might call it pay to win(i wouldnt), but its pay to win by design, working perfectly as intended. it sucks that you cant afford it, but heres the hard truth. VIP is like 50-75% of the servers revenue throughout any given year. it is the only consistent monthly income the server sees. it pays for both the servers upkeep, and the salaries of the couple of devs who are responsible for most of the work on the content updates. 

if you are asking to nerf VIP. you also need to accept that the server will have less content going forward, as less people will think buying vip to be worth it, therefore less money for the server to allocate to development.

So in general i dont think tax needs to be reduced across the board. more that the upper tax brackets need to be rethought, and maybe split up more to account for the super rich. legals do get the shaft when it comes to tax but thats true to irl and part of the price you pay for consistent income. and VIP should be completely left out of the discussion.

I do totally agree with things said in your 3rd point about server upkeep etc.. but there are still things that are by me not balanced within VIP... if there would be one thing I would point out it would defo be the FUEL CONSUMPTION - this is one of the things that can totally ruin your chances in for example chase... if you use BF400 and not have VIP, you have like 10 - 15 mins to get away at max, if u don't, you just get caught by people chasing u that do have VIP, I thing that this could be changed by for example getting a fuel discount by the percentage that fuel consumption is lowered normally. GAS station would get still payed by same amount and you would just receive a discount.
 

[ChickenNuggets]

12 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

The problem with the tax system is its just a basic jump up in tax rate, its not progressive. The system needs to be rebuilt to be a progressive tax rate.

What is a progressive tax rate?

say at 500k, you go from 10% tax to 20% tax. (idk the specific tax bracket increase points off the top of my head, so this is just an example)
if you have $495,000, you'd get taxed $49,500 for 10%, leaving you with $445,500
if you have $505,000, you get taxed $101,000 for 20%, leaving you with $404,000
thats how the system works right now. once you hit a new tax bracket your actually making noticeably less money. that's not how taxes work in real life.

if we had a progressive tax system, you'd get taxed 10% on the first $500k, then 20% on the 5k that went over, which would leave you with $454,000. 

obviously with how inflated the money is in game, the upper tax brackets should be increased, but switching to a progressive tax system would be a significant fix as well.

this + increase high tax bracket threshold to match inflation is the answer. i hit high tax bracket fairly quicky and i feel the pain. We need to see the average net worth and calculate the threshold based on this.

Edited August 16, 2024 by ChickenNuggets

[alexalex303]

14 hours ago, Rover Smith said:

Most of the Diamond VIP users do not disagree with me. 

Most Hakuchou Drag owners said they bought it for RP reasons and yet complained when handling was nerfed. People buy VIP for the tax bracket reduction, myself included. If it was removed as a perk, the sales would see a drop, it's not good to lie or pretend otherwise. The tax perk is a big part of it for legals, just like the prison time reduction is a big deal for criminals.

 

[Rover Smith]

3 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

Most Hakuchou Drag owners said they bought it for RP reasons and yet complained when handling was nerfed. People buy VIP for the tax bracket reduction, myself included. If it was removed as a perk, the sales would see a drop, it's not good to lie or pretend otherwise. The tax perk is a big part of it for legals, just like the prison time reduction is a big deal for criminals.

 

Me personally have asked multiple people that has Diamond VIP and most of them don't mind if the Tax Reduction became for everyone. you have to keep in mind that you can basically get the best cars and all of that in-game using credits also the other benefits for VIP that I did not mention simply because I don't care about, It's either the tax bracket gets re-adjusted where the 1.5m doesn't count as high bracket or other changes happen. I'm simply starting to dislike the game because of it ( You either commit an in-game crime as a legal because of tax or Pay IRL money for it or Just stfu and spend 50hours in front of a monitor to just make 250k if you're high bracket )