Make it Non-Rp to randomly search vehicles.

[Jordan]

23 hours ago, Chapman said:

In my opinion, it could fall under Non-RP behavior just in general depending on the context and I don't think it needs to be added to the rules specifically as the Non-RP rule is vague for a reason and it is up to Mods to determine if a scenario is low-quality roleplay. It comes down to players making in-game or forum reports if there was a loss great enough to justify the forum report.

And while I'd love to make a report for this daily occurrence, the goal would be to just put it IN THE RULES that way when someone does it I can give them a pm "Hey you cant do that its non rp in the rules" they will either retract that give me my stuff back, or I can submit a quick /report and hope for the best, either way putting it in the rules would discourage it and make it happen less often. 

[Victor Einhart]

18 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

this is the most ham fisted way to resolve the issue.

By changing the rules to include this, wouldn't you just be submitting reports anyway when people are breaking the newly written rule?

[Zion Willard]

1 hour ago, Victor Einhart said:

By changing the rules to include this, wouldn't you just be submitting reports anyway when people are breaking the newly written rule?

The idea is that having it clearly written in the rules would discourage the action.

[Jordan]

1 hour ago, Victor Einhart said:

By changing the rules to include this, wouldn't you just be submitting reports anyway when people are breaking the newly written rule?

No, because everyone interprets the rule differently, and will do it anyway if they think that they can either convince the admin/mod doing the report, that they didn't know, or simply argue that since it isn't stated they can do it. When you put it IN THE RULES itself, its clearly labeled and listed, and there is absolutely no way to misinterpret the rule, so there is no excuse for doing it. This also means less people getting away with it results in less people doing it at all.

[Soupiestfork]

On 7/5/2024 at 11:28 AM, Victor Einhart said:

By changing the rules to include this, wouldn't you just be submitting reports anyway when people are breaking the newly written rule?

No. Because it being specifically against the rules would discourage the behaviour thus reducing the need to do so.

[Quietthecutie]

On 7/5/2024 at 5:28 PM, Victor Einhart said:

By changing the rules to include this, wouldn't you just be submitting reports anyway when people are breaking the newly written rule?

The idea is that by making it clear in the rules, you can point the offender in the direction of that rule, they see they are in the wrong, and walk the RP back. without it being specifically in the rules, players can leave it up to ambiguity. 

People don't like admitting it when they are wrong, particularly in videogames. without it being a specific mention in the rules, offenders are likely to say they interpret the rules differently, argue its realistic, argue that you are stifling their roleplay, basically make excuses as to why their actions are acceptable and they are more likely to let it go to a report.

With it specifically written in, there is no room for this sort of hand wringing, its all there, black and white, clear as crystal and they can see it, know which way a report would go, and walk it back without any staff involvement at all.

 

[alexalex303]

On 7/5/2024 at 7:28 PM, Victor Einhart said:

By changing the rules to include this, wouldn't you just be submitting reports anyway when people are breaking the newly written rule?

If you look at past reports, this was denied as not a rule breach considering risk vs reward; while every situation is unique, it does seem that generally this is acceptable behavior under the current rule set.

+1 on it being non-rp

I feel that unless you see someone put something attractive inside the vehicle, or otherwise have knowledge that is more than a guess, you should not be searching people's cars.

[Ritchie Stones]

On 7/4/2024 at 2:48 PM, HobGoblin said:

-1 you can keep the car locked to avoid this. You can’t say it’s “unrealistic” because if you lived in a place that had as much crime as the server does with everyone going around masked, I’m sure you would keep your car locked. 

they take advantage when you have to unlock your car to get in to quickly search through, which to me is a bug they take advantage of, at times people would be standing in front of my door even waiting to be able to get in faster than me, which pisses me off so much, its just very abusive, one time I was able to lock my car in time but the guy could still take out stuff because he got into the inventory real fast, you lock your car but the guy can stay in there taking out what he likes. its super abusive

[Ritchie Stones]

+1 for sure, its super abusive. people can acualy still take out stuff once they got into the inventory despite you being able to lock your car one split mini second later then them, so once you are in you are in, and you have free game, I reported this once and got denied because the script supported its......... like wtf, you can see someone taking advan,stage of a bug and this apparently is okay. the most disappointing thing I have ever experienced in the server

 

[Tuco666]

40 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

+1 for sure, its super abusive. people can acualy still take out stuff once they got into the inventory despite you being able to lock your car one split mini second later then them, so once you are in you are in, and you have free game, I reported this once and got denied because the script supported its......... like wtf, you can see someone taking advan,stage of a bug and this apparently is okay. the most disappointing thing I have ever experienced in the server

 

I dont know in which world those people live. Like imagine you ar at your car irl and as soon as you unlock it, a guy come and search your trunk with you being there like what in the actual fuck. This thing is very unrealistic.

[Ritchie Stones]

On 7/5/2024 at 6:28 PM, Victor Einhart said:

By changing the rules to include this, wouldn't you just be submitting reports anyway when people are breaking the newly written rule?

i made a report, i had closed my trunk and the guy still after that took out a crate full of stuff and 4 other items after the truck was closed, I made a report and it was denied, lost 300k that day, I love the server for 4 years, but to that I raise my middle finger for once, it was so abusive and that this is actually allowed blows my mind

[Daxu]

Giant +1, parroting others it seems like a simple abuse of script/server UI.

I've had situations a couple years ago where I unlocked my vehicle at city parking to enter it, and within a few seconds my trunk was emptied with no RP/interaction whatsoever, just click, drag, and hop in a friend's car to get away.

[Ritchie Stones]

6 hours ago, daxu said:

Giant +1, parroting others it seems like a simple abuse of script/server UI.

I've had situations a couple years ago where I unlocked my vehicle at city parking to enter it, and within a few seconds my trunk was emptied with no RP/interaction whatsoever, just click, drag, and hop in a friend's car to get away.

yeah its real bs, i made report, i lost over 300k from that, report got denied crazy 

[Pumpkin]

+1

[Charlie2231]

- 1

[Loca_Mocha]

the 1 thing that would fix all of this. without changing any rules or anything.

 

add a 3-second action timer. It gives the car owner time to notice their trunk is being searched.

 

The action timer is meant to act as a "it would normally take you this long to do this action" function.

You wouldn't instantly know whats in a trunk by just looking in it for a split second, things might be on top of each other. the trunk might be FULL of stuff. stuff is doomed to cover other stuff. adding the 3-second delay to "search" the trunk first. to let you know whats in it before you can pull anything out. would balance it.

 

Locking or closing the trunk would interrupt the action timer. preventing them from getting full access to its inventory.

 

When they start the search. they get a /Ame over their head saying [ PLAYER 1 searches the vehicle trunk ]

[Linden_Thuynsma]

+1 And people saying keep your car locked do not own vehicles in the server how do you get in or take anything out if you "keep your car locked"? Over the years I have had multiple incidences, that have happened, or the perp accidentally enters the trunk instead of searching by the time I lock the car they are inside and then pm me saying it was an accident, they didn't mean to how do you accidentally walk up to my car open the trunk open the mouse wheel anim and press e by mistake then you get "you can't kidnap me or do anything without escalation" line

[Dima]

Defo +1 could defo add a little timeer like when searching a bag or something. Even when u lock the car and drive off people still have a little bit of time to loot before there forced out if the command.

[NinerTwoGolf]

Massive +1

It's surprising to see how old this thread is and how common this problem is, including characters who were known for it still doing it.

 In my experience, they'll do it when you unlock the car to access the trunk yourself or when you are just trying to get in and out of your vehicle. It's extremely poor RP, with no interaction. On modern vehicles, usually using the fob to unlock a car will unlock the driver's door, but I understand the limitation of the server.

The second part of that is that once you're in the inventory, there is no real counter to it. In the time that it takes you to go through the animation to get into a vehicle, they can open the trunk and get into the inventory and start looting it. You can lock your vehicle, drive across the damn city, neither matters. Only tackling or knocking them down seems to force them out.

I think the more alarming thing is I had the chance to confront about this player about how this is a pretty shitty thing to do in terms of RP. Their reply, and I'm paraphrasing, was that the higher powers don't have a problem with it, and there is nothing against searching an unlocked vehicle, ignoring it was done in broad daylight in front of CCTV while I was simply just trying to enter the vehicle to drive. Due to action or rather inaction, the staff team have basically said that this is acceptable RP. Reports have been submitted regarding this action and have been denied, one quoting, 'There are no regulations against stealing items from a vehicle or taking advantage of an unlocked one.' At time of writing this, there is an active report against a member of the Administrative Team for this exact behavior.

An action timer that give a player enough time to just get in their vehicle and relock it when searching the trunk, and one that is interrupted when the trunk is closed from it locking would be more than enough to curb this behavior. A range limit would also be helpful for being able to access the inventory of a vehicle, but I understand that this is also an issue with bodies.

Edited March 11, 2025 by NinerTwoGolf

[SaltyPoiosn]

This is a rule suggestion

[AnakinB]

think ive said this before, but if you don't want to lose your shit, don't leave your shit in the most public area on the server, mfs will have 30 heavies in a warrener at parking and whine and cry when they get robbed but refuse to just go buy a house its really ur own fault don't leave valuable shit in parking lots, thats like, an IRL rule. People seem to forget realistically your car doesnt just vanish when u type /park u go park it in a parking spot and leave it there. 

[Quietthecutie]

9 minutes ago, AnakinB said:

think ive said this before, but if you don't want to lose your shit, don't leave your shit in the most public area on the server, mfs will have 30 heavies in a warrener at parking and whine and cry when they get robbed but refuse to just go buy a house its really ur own fault don't leave valuable shit in parking lots, thats like, an IRL rule. People seem to forget realistically your car doesnt just vanish when u type /park u go park it in a parking spot and leave it there. 

Once again...

I think you may wanna read the suggestion again... this has nothing to do with leaving valuables in your car...its to do with you being there, with your car, and someone totally disregarding that.

Its the same shit as someone trying to get into your car as you unlock it to get into it yourself.

If someone wishes to be a committed asshole, they can keep this up for an unreasonably long time.

[NinerTwoGolf]

3 hours ago, AnakinB said:

think ive said this before, but if you don't want to lose your shit, don't leave your shit in the most public area on the server, mfs will have 30 heavies in a warrener at parking and whine and cry when they get robbed but refuse to just go buy a house its really ur own fault don't leave valuable shit in parking lots, thats like, an IRL rule. People seem to forget realistically your car doesnt just vanish when u type /park u go park it in a parking spot and leave it there. 

While City Parking is notorious for it, this can happen every where.

Personally it has happened at Eclipse and the Casino when I want to just pull out a car and drive. It has happened at LSC when as soon as the /mechservice script is complete, it unlocks. This will happen at properties when I'm just trying to pull out stuff so I can build.

And as @Quietthecutie stated, a committed asshole can basically prevent you from doing anything because as soon as you unlock the car, they'll go through it.

[AnakinB]

On 3/21/2025 at 3:06 PM, Quietthecutie said:

this has nothing to do with leaving valuables in your car...its to do with you being there, with your car, and someone totally disregarding that.

I mean you can continue to try and say that this has "nothing to do with valuables in your car" but I'm not going to lie that's just a cheap cop out in an attempt to make it seem like your some kind of superior roleplayer, This whole topic is rooted in the fact that people take their cars out of parking/casino/whatever and have people searching there trunk, that literally means they are talking about assets, if you want to get super roleplayer realistically every car would be parked there and be able to be lock picked at any time, unfortunately due to the scripts the only time that opportunity presents it self is when the owner is there and forces it to spawn. I've seen off experience the ONLY time people care about you looking/getting in there car is when they have stuff in it, ive seen plenty of people get into peoples cars as their unparked nothing happens, that same person gets a car out that just so happens to have something in it and they start going in /b, This whole conversation is rooted off people wanting to use parking as a stash house and not have consequences. Not to mention it does not matter if the owner is there or not.

[Quietthecutie]

1 hour ago, AnakinB said:

Not to mention it does not matter if the owner is there or not.

I disagree. and thats the entire point of the discussion.

1 hour ago, AnakinB said:

cheap cop out in an attempt to make it seem like your some kind of superior roleplayer

Where is this inferiority complex coming from? 

1 hour ago, AnakinB said:

if you want to get super roleplayer

Again, why the additude? have i done something wrong or struck a nerve?

1 hour ago, AnakinB said:

This whole conversation is rooted off people wanting to use parking as a stash house

Not necessarily. Not everyone uses their vehicles like a glorified armoury. most people would have a couple of odd items, maybe a gun in the glovebox. that kind of thing.

1 hour ago, AnakinB said:

and not have consequences.

Im fine with consequences, just not people abusing the script with 0 roleplay for a quick snatch and grab which makes 0 sense. as i said, if you wanna rob someone at parking, and have the correct reasoning and escalation to do that (i.e youve seen them using this car as a stash) go for it, wait til he pulls out his car, and hes fair game for an actual robbery. theres your consequences.

Edited March 25, 2025 by Quietthecutie