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With an extremely heavy heart, an unfortunate time had come for leadership of Los Santos Underground. Matt and Niki took a long reflection over a weekend and decided it was time for a change. They discussed it briefly and then make the final decision to move to China and visit with her family. Quincy decided to head back home up North, having some loose ends that needed to be tied. Baxter has Lucy still to think about, but has spoken about possibly heading back to Germany and work closer to Pfister. The four of them got together for one last hoorah and to close down the shop. They drove over to their garage, the old Bayview mechanic shop and opened the gate. They pulled in and took one long look at the shop and had a brief discussion while smoking a cigar. After driving out from the shop, the crew got together and decided to do something they hadn’t really done together since the group started, get arrested. They got together on the highway and lined up to do the “Trial” required by anyone to become an LSU Leader and hit over 185 on the speed camera, and to see who would be able to get the highest. Baxter won, hitting 223 and then they parked their cars and turned themselves in to a very lonely Tom Ardizzio. Oh, and of course Matt snuck in some cigars They all discussed that the plan is to come back one day, just.....when the time is right.

+1 The only argument I've heard against this is that 1 person can't commit to more than 2 factions on a time level but in my opinion that should be up to the individual factions and people and not an OOC limitation set outside that. With the rise of Civ RP factions, having the ability to be in more than 2 would be nice.

-1 I think with proper enforcement of the joint frequency rule and putting an emphasis on proper gang RP, there is no need to add another OOC limitation to criminal RP that will just lead to an increase in petty reports and forum wars. If you're in a gang with 10 buddies and all 10 of you want to hold down a chop shop or lab, I don't see why there should be an OOC rule against it. I understand that large gang conflicts take up ES but with the new rules and encouraging more realistic gang rp where you dont have multiple allied gangs fighting in the same shootout, I think this will also go down. Personally, I've found that MD answers a lot quicker since that rule has been implemented. Also in the "it will encourage people to do more different criminal activities", real gangs usually have types of criminal activity that they're into. Robbing stores / banks, making/selling drugs, chopping cars, but very few do all of them and so imo gangs should really try to focus their rp on criminal activities that match their lore.

LSU had been consistent with their racing, and although they were still bringing in new members and staying active, a few of the veterans in the group were interested in trying something new. The Board knew it was time to give this suggestion and a new event a try. Tommy and Ethan pitched the idea for an Off-road Rally Race: a time trial over three different off-road courses, combined fastest time wins the prize. As he hadn’t done much offroad racing, Matt was hesitant about the idea; however, Niki and Baxter talked him into giving the event a shot and seeing what Tommy and Ethan could cook up. Tommy, Baxter, and Quincy took the lead in planning the tracks for the event: one at the windmill farm, one around the reservoir, and the third over Cassidy trail by Sandy. The group decided they would provide all the vehicles for the event, and they’d have a co-driver in each vehicle to ensure no one was cheating and time was kept accurately. Baxter and Quincy offered to be the co-drivers, Ethan volunteered to be the on-site mechanic along with another LSC employee, and everyone else was in charge of organization and ensuring things were running smoothly with registration, money, and preparing racers. A few days before the event, the group was trying to determine what they were going to offer up as the prize, and spoke to a Weazel employee who suggested reaching out to Xoza Shadow to sponsor the event. Niki reached out to Xoza to see if he would have interest in sponsoring the event. He seemed intrigued, and they quickly met to discuss logistics and what arrangement would work for those involved. Xoza offered to provide the $100,000 prize for first place, and LSU would advertise that the event was sponsored by Atomic Auto and plug his vehicles. The group saw this as a big win, as this meant all money made off the event was pure profit. Xoza also helped them by making a poster and allowing them to use some of his ads for the event, and helped them reach out to PD and SD to block off roads. The day of, the group gathered at the windmill farm, the first leg of the races, and definitely the easiest of the three. The Issi Sports were parked up and ready to be used, and the participants started to roll in. They had seven participants pay the $10,000 to race; each participant would run the track as the lone car with their co-driver in the passenger’s seat. All the participants ran the first leg without issue, their times recorded before moving to the second track at the reservoir. The second track was a bit more difficult, with the danger of water disqualification introduced. If any participant drove the car into the water, they’d be disqualified from winning the prize. Only one racer fell victim to the water at the reservoir, and the other six passed the leg and moved to the third location: Cassidy trail. This would be the most challenging track, as most of the trail was a very thin dirt path with a steep mountain up one side, and an even steeper drop to the river on the other. As if that wasn’t difficult enough, they’d be expected to drive it in stock Warreners (the tried and true Players 1-4). This track claimed two other drivers, and only four finished the third race as final participants. After all the times were collected and combined, the winner emerged as Paulo Witherfork. The group announced the winner, thanked everyone for participating, and drove the Warreners back to the city. Niki met Paulo at the bank and paid his prize, then they wrapped up and had a quick meeting with those still around to talk about what happened, what they’d change for next time, and what was next to come.

Currently, anytime a mechanic takes out a vehicle such as a towtruck and flatbed they have to clock out in order to despawn the vehicle and then clock back in if they want to continue to work. I think it would be a great quality of life change if mechanics had access to a command to delete their vehicles without having to go inside the garage and clock out and back in. With the new uniforms (Which I'm beyond thankful for), it becomes tedious to clock in and out because you have to reselect your uniform every time which leads to a lot of mechanics parking their vehicles on the side of the shop, adding to the vehicle stress in the area. I picked /deltowtruck just as an example of what the command could be, as the emergency services have a /del command for thier vehicles.

Having spent many hours at work, Matt began seeing that many of his co workers also enjoyed fast cars and might want to have a little more fun in their off time. Quickly, Matt began inviting out a lot of them to come hangout with him and anyone else that was in town to hit a couple of tracks. With Quincy always around and down to drive, along with many other members of LSU, Matt slowly started bringing more and more people to the races. The First to come out to the races was Jordan Capone. Matt had known Jordan for awhile and they had him out to a races a couple of times in the past, but after hearing interest from him to join LSU, the Board Members quickly convened and agreed that he needed to be a prospect. Aaron Smithy, a newly hired mechanic, had expressed to Matt that he wanted more people to hangout with so was the next person to get a quick invitation out to the races. He did not have his own car, however Matt had his trusty TRAINER elegy ready to be used until he could purchase his own. A couple of days later, Matt saw Johnny Bmore coming into work wearing the same jacket that Matt had seen Kujo wearing recently and decided to ask Johnny about it. After a prolonged conversation about differences between Matt and Kujo, Johnny agreed to come drive around with them for awhile, heading up to Vineyard track. Here, Johnny would throw down his jacket and leave it there, showing Matt that he didn’t wish to be apart of that group any longer. Although this did not guarantee Johnny any spots in LSU, it showed Matt that Johnny must have been interested in what they had to offer. A few days later, Stephany Reeder also spoke of interest in hanging out with the group. Matt was weary at first, having heard from Johnny that she was a part of Kujo’s crew, and still feeling the pain from the backstab, however his wife Niki convinced him that she should come out and race. Very quickly she showed she was interested in hanging out with LSU instead and became someone who was always asking when things were going on and when they could go back out on the tracks.

+1 to adding a parking garage for boats

Matt and Niki have been enjoying the winter weather and started getting the idea for a Christmas/winter themed car show, something the crew had been considering for a long time. The two of them got together with Baxter and Chance to discuss the finer details of putting together a car show. Niki reached out to their friend Hayley who got them a elegy retro custom to raffle off for cheap and allowed them to use her and Tom's club. Baxter became the DJ, blaring Christmas tunes that everyone gathered around to dance for, Niki took charge of the raffle and ensuring the crew collected the money, and Matt spent the time mingling with Burnout Nation friends who came to support, along with many of the other racers and drivers from around the city that attended. The eventual winner of the Elegy? Colt Daniels! The result? An amazing car show that had many people come out, and a cool little profit for the crew at the end.

+1. Always thought it was weird you couldn't lean forward since, like you said, its something that happens IRL all the time.

After hearing about car rally’s happening outside the city, Matt really wanted to put on one in Los Santos with the Underground crew. The lead racers all got together and talked about how it could work out and mapped out the different check point stops. After the route was mapped out, the LS Underground crew sent out text to everyone they knew with a nice sports car that might enjoy a fun rally drive through the state at a future date and before long, a group of Burnout Nation guys wanted to join in and were welcomed with open arms. On the day that was decided, everyone gathered around to discuss the logistics of the event, remind everyone that its not a race to the checkpoint, BUT people were free to drive as fast as they wish, and to be respectful of any law enforcement presence they might encounter on the drive. The rally was open to everyone and they had a great time getting to know other drivers better at each stop, even enjoying sometime with the local SD who saw the large group of vehicles and thought something a little more nefarious was going on…. The rally continued with a large group all throughout the state and was a fun time for all those involved. Different racing ideas were discussed amongst the group and the Underground crew got its name out to people who might be interested in street racing.

+1 to OG suggestions. I think it'd be dope and help differentiate gang rp instead of all gangs doing all kinds of criminal RP

Could resolve this through reporting the players though right? instead of scriptly limiting people who aren't breaking the rules from radioing for example if his hands were up but the officer turns around to look at someone else or something

I'm -1 on this for two reasons: 1) MD doesn't always respond, especially for non-injured people. I've heard from many people that MD don't like responding to calls with non-scriplty injured parties so calling MD to a crash where no one gets hurt is going to cause more people to die due to MD already not responding to calls. You've said they respond to every call but I can assure you that I've had to run more people to central than I've had responses. This isn't to say that MD don't do their job, just that they're likely understaffed and adding calls to car accidents with non-injured parties will take away even more people, even if it does add to the RP. 2) crashes are terribly hard to decipher with the desync. As someone who races ALL the time, I've seen first hand that on one screen it will look like driver A smashed into driver B and on the other screen it will look the other way around. Rage just has far too many desync issues to be able to truly properly tell who hit who and sometimes if you've even hit someone. I've watched many of our racing videos from different POVs and many times on your screen you dodged them but on their screen you sent them flying into a wall.

+1 for all the reasons already stated

After recruiting a few more members and talking to the people around Los Santos, members of Underground met up at their newly found HQ to finally set up their first night of pay-in racing, collecting money from the buy-ins and the rest going to the winner After the meeting took place and the track was decided, everyone loaded up in their cars and headed up the highway towards the grapeseed track. After a quick introduction, Baxter gathered everyone around and went over some of the rules of the night such as how money was going to be handled and to keep all the races clean, no ramming or off-road shortcuts. After a few races, nearby sheriffs started getting wind of the races and sent a helicopter to come check out the area, so we put on one last good show for them before deciding to head out to a new location. Everyone reconvened at the most well-known track in Los Santos: Observatory. They ran quite a few races for both money and pride. While in between races, members of Underground got to interact with a lot more people including some members of a local car group, Burnout Nation, who were there to look at cars and hang out. At the end of a very successful night, Underground had finally begun collecting money into the crew and got to get its name out about setting up events for everyone to meet up. They gathered names of people who would be interested in doing more paid-in races and headed out, ready to set up the next night of racing.

Not too long after its foundation, the Los Santos Underground crew got together and found a spot that they used to meet up and hangout. A perfectly sized old mechanic shop under a bridge that could easily be used to fix up the dents and other small incidents that occur during a street race. After the crew got settled into their new home, they soon started hearing about a race being put on by a legal car group known as Burnout Nation and of course they were interested. Matt reached out to some of his friends in burnout and they gave Underground members a quick look at what the track may look like, unfortunately last minute track changes occurred so it wasn’t EXACTLY what the underground boys had practiced, but it was close. After the burnout race, it was clear Los Santos Underground and Burnout Nation would have good relations for future car events in the city from races, to car shows, to any other car related event that might take place.

Some of the main tracks we run currently

LS Underground was founded by Matt Smithe (now Zhou) in the blazing hot summer of 2020. After a long hiatus from the city, Matt returned to Los Santos looking for something better. He quickly fell in love with cars in the city and began working at Los Santos Customs, working his way through the ranks. As his love for cars drove him to work harder at LSC, he wanted to do more. He eventually found a group of racers that called themselves Midnight Club where he first began to street race all over Los Santos. Unfortunately, membership in Midnight Club fell inactive, and members began leaving. After Midnight Club's falling out, Matt continued to hone his abilities street racing with the local racers, never under any banner just people that met up to race. Many nights him and his now fiance Niki Zhou would go out and race on their own, racing for bragging rights and just for the thrills. Soon though, Matt decided it was time to form a team again, a team of racers that would be able to come together and set up races and find new ways to bring street racing into the forefront of the city. Thus, Los Santos Underground was born. Currently, Underground is a growing group of street racers that race for both pride and occasionally money. They now host buy-in races where a small percentage goes to the treasury and the rest to the winner; as well as hosting driving rally's and car shows. Underground racers race daily, consistently making up new tracks and finding new areas to race in. Recently, After a small ordeal with another racing organization, Matt, Niki and Baxter found a new garage to hangout in around the city. IC Rules 1. No “gang related” criminal activity i.e. Drug making/selling, car chopping, bank robberies, etc 2. Respect the ranking order 3. Resolve all internal issues internally through higher ups 4. No intentional ramming or otherwise unfair racing behaviors OOC Rules 1. Follow All ecrp server rules. Failure to do so will be removal from faction 2. Always hold yourself to a high standard of racing RP (stay on the road as much as possible, no crazy jumps, RP racing injuries properly, etc) 3. Server punishments must be explained to leadership 4. Remain active 5. Remain IC as much as possible, we do not tolerate OOC toxicity towards anyone including other factions 1. Build to over 10 official members 2. Buy a building for the organization 3. Become officially recognized in the city 4. Own legal businesses to help fund races and prizes 1. Rookie – New to the organization 2. Racer – The main rank of organization members. A true member of the crew 3. Veteran – Has raced on every track and showed long term loyalty to the organization 4. Recruiter/Coordinator – Leadership positions that can find and recruit people from a simple prospect to a rookie, and can organize events. 5. Board Member – High command of Los Santos Underground 1. 10,000 EXP 2. Ability to role play racing in a realistic and fair manner 3. Show a want to have good RP over winning every time - Tracks - The Original Hangout (Outdated) Baxter's Story Making Money Warraner Races Rally around Los Santos Tommy's Story Kujo's Story Niki's Story Halloween Event Baxter's Return to the Street Winter Event Street Fighter Conflict (Outdated) Recuperating Quincy's Story Giovanni's Story Board Member Tommy New Friends Poking Around Off-Road Rally Wild West Car Show Time Trials Heading Home

+1 Well thought out suggestion, makes a lot of sense from an RP standpoint. Most likely requires a lot of dev support but I think it would be good

+1 but here's why. Its about consistency. The reason I think its OOC is a NCZ is itself OOC. So either, its a crime (Which according to every PD officer that has stopped me for it and the penal code it is) then you can't wear one in a zone of no crime OR you remove mask from the penal code because it is not a crime. Otherwise its no longer a NCZ, its a no "crimes we don't like" zone.

+1 Well thought out suggestion, same concern for me as Greg on how OP PD can be with it, but adding RP to it would be interesting and exciting.

I have my fair issues of PD as much as a lot of others but -1, Its unfair to force every PD officer save every interaction. I'm pretty sure they already are supposed to at minimum RP turning on a dashcam and can use the RP footage if OOC footage isn't available. If you disagree with a charge, you can always make an IA with contradictory evidence. You can also RP your own Bodycam/dashcam at any time and use that evidence to fight charges.

Exactly. The bottom part "Before anyone hits me with the "don't do the crime" speech" is a problem on eclipse. For some reason if feels like PD thinks people that RP criminals are actually criminals and so they slap them with everything like you said. At the end of the day, we should all be here to RP and have interesting and fun RP situations continuously, and locking someone up in DOC for 5+ hours just doesn't play into that in my opinion. Its borderline against our Non-RP rule "Actions that... promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay." because what part of sitting at DOC for 5+ hours promotes high quality roleplay? The only thing I'd say to your post is I think even murder/attempted murder should have some sort of cap somewhere in the 5-6 hour mark sounds fair to me. We have rules against cop baiting and deathmatching to ensure random killings aren't a thing, and PD already doesn't lose any of their scripted weapons on death, I don't see the purpose in having people do nothing in prison for any period of time longer than that. PD will always claim that long prison sentences are only an IC punishment, but at some point it becomes an OOC punishment as well when you're forced to not roleplay essentially at all for 9 hours.

+1 I don't have a true Crim or legal char as of right now, Just a civilian that manages LSC but looking at the current state of affairs, it feels like eclipse has kind of lost the idea of RPing for the fun of RPing and instead morphed into a Win/Lose game. Crims seem to largely just want to cook and make as much money as possible with little real gang interaction going on anymore and PD lately seems to be throwing the book at people every time charging them with as much as possible; Making RPing anything that could require interaction with them less and less fun. I truly hope things change as I've loved playing on eclipse for all this time.

+1 we need seatbelts