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fair enough, I understand more clearly your point, and can see that it could feel as if its an ooc punishment when being jailed, but, prison is what you make it of course, ive been in jail a few times on my criminal and have enjoyed it, but that's because I make is fun for myself and others. I feel reducing the jtime for repeat offenders is not a good idea, I think its as simple as slowing down in NCZs and you wont get them.... which again refers to rp quality of players.

I like this idea. @Wizzidy 95% of cops are not admins, so running around admin jailing, is not true. The ones that mention cops placing charges on ids.... I have personally placed charges on someone that I know or saw a short while before without a mask on, and can visually recognize people. I don't alias 90% of criminals in the city, until they become repeat offenders that I see daily, and can recognize their car, cloths hair and some of the face features. (Yes I do look that closely) I like the ideas mentioned above in the original suggestion, I feel that the prison times in place for charges are sufficient, but max time is off... saying that, I would also like to see increased activities for criminals, On that note, it would be great if some of the official criminal factions can get with DOC and discuss ideas on roleplay and "scripted" activites in prison and put together of a list of ideas they like and present it to their faction managers. (Which for those unfamiliar with the system, is the most streamline and best way to get your suggestions heard by the right people.) I disagree with you on the @Wizzidy30min cap on jail times, that is just WAY to short... considering after the arrest a lot of officers file arrest reports, and duty reports... or if you happen to kill a cop while getting arrested... you get 30mins of jail, and at the same time hes honoring the 30min new life rule. I think that 2 hours is to short, but before increase id like to see the criminal factions get together with DOC and their faction handlers and sort out some ideas, and present them for development. I agree with a few of the others stating, "I have max-time anyways" might as well kill as many cops as I can. This is a terrible mindset as your metagaming the prison sentence information to your character, as ICLY your being prisoned for YEARs, not minutes. Hence why when your arrested for 120mins, cops say MONTHS, and if your going to mission row they say days or weeks. I think a lot of this can be avoided with better RP quality, don't get me wrong there are plenty that RP well, and smart on criminals, some that often outsmart cops and know how to use the system to their advantage... then you have others that just don't give a damn and are here to be well, we are all familiar with the "hands up this is ROBBBBB", or you have 3 seconds or I shoot.... don't know about you guys but if im talking to someone and you come yelling at me 3 seconds or a I shoot its gonna take me a couple seconds to even realize your there... assuming your voip is working, and/or im watching text chat, as most of you are aware, one of the biggest killers in our city is (most you to young to remember, but anyone remember the car game Carmagedon… well that's our streets) cars. Thanks and I love the suggestions! Well thought out well presented!

I agree they need to make a means for incarcerated people to have productivity, something like making license plates that require you to go to an area of the prison get a crate, walk back to a workshop, use a press... for every x plates, that take y time to produce you get Z time credited to your time in jail... these could be tradeable items, but perhaps not be able to be stolen. Allowing people to forge ic relationships in prison to effect their rp outside of prison... I give you 30 license plates, you give me a couple pistols or something. Also these can be traded to DOC workers for commodity items... burgers, soda, blanket, a phone call! (x,y,z are just variables that can be determined during development …. perhaps 1 crate makes 5 plates, takes 10mins to produce, and you get 20mins reduced on your jtime, or something no idea how the factor should work but its just a concept.) Thus creating an avenue to introduce gambling in DOC with dice, or cards. (which would need to be bought via rp with DOC) or phone calls for gang organization etc. I think this would help out the criminals whilst in DOC custody.

I like this suggestion well done!

I would like to bring back an old point I brought up as it has apparently become relevant.... If you take the crime rate of Los Santos, that I know about... which is roughly 200 murders every 4 ic days.... that's 50 a day... which is likely light... compare that to the city of Los Angeles.... which had what last year, 243 murders according to statistics... as the city is based on that, we can assume that roughly 1 murder happened a day (easy math) has 50x the homicide rate of the city we are modeled at meaning we would have 50x times the resources, police force.... Los Angeles has approximately 9,000 officers on permeant positions last year. thus meaning if Los Santos held the same population as Los Angeles we would have 450,000 cops holding permeant positions. When we take into account murder rates of the city as a benchmark... meaning 50murders per day = 450,000 cops... I can assure you that if the city of Los Angeles had 50 murders a day that there would be a huge purge of people.... consider that 18250 murders would of occurred in 1 year... Using arrests in Los Angeles for all crimes (minor and up = 1.3million since 2010, 1.3m/9 = 145k arrests per year) this includes petty crime but we are only looking at murder in Los Santos (so not apples to apples but good for an idea) so they have 9,000 officers to handle 145k arrests PER YEAR.... that's 395arrests a day, but lets remove anything less then a felony for numbers sake. thus leaving roughly.... we will take charges from Carrying an unlicensed firearm down, thus 114,563 arrests in 9 years. (source = https://data.lacity.org/d/yru6-6re4/visualization ) , so we assume a steady rate of crime = 114563/9 = 12729.2 arrests per year... lets say 13,000 per year for larger crimes and more serious crimes. now we look at murders only in Los Santos 50 per day x 365 days a year = 18250 murders alone in our city.... Murders alone... take into account reckless driving and unlicensed firearms, vehicle theft, robbery.... I can almost guarantee there are 300 other crimes per day = another 109,500 crimes... putting us and 127,750 arrest for a population of 300 players at any one given time, where as the city of los angels has a population of almost 14million people. Thus to think that the city of los Santos wouldn't have A. Death Penalty, B. The ENTIRE American Army residing in it C. Martial Law D. Kill on sight policy for anyone waving a gun is foolish to believe. Now I realize its a game, and understand that. Swat can be killed and often are... ask the zetas they kill every member that's on shift for PD at least once a night. And they wonder why when one officer survives their gang is hunted... Or when you get someone coming into the police station "I want to know if im wanted... and they have 50 warrants" and then laugh as they walk outside to an army of people standing there.... Or you go to a gathering and god forbid a cop comes and says man, you have warrants lets go... I don't think your going to just wander around Los Angeles if your sitting on 50 arrest warrants for very long, bounty hunters, cops would be after you for low level crimes, high level... like most here Killing a Peace officer becomes a huge operation for your arrest and you will likely be shot, beaten and thrown away to never see light again. So with it being a game, I would expect players to understand that fighting swat would be a poor choice for ones health both in game and in real life, because I can assure you, based on an incident that happened in Canada about 6 hours from my house, you shot a cop... your not going to trial, your going to be buried 6 feet under in a tiny hole. ((guy went nuts shot 2 cops, walked around his town like it was GTA Online, pointed a gun at one officer and got shot 6 times by SWAT with large caliber rifles. Another incident guy shot a cop, and was snipped from 200 yards away, didn't even know what hit him... this is in Canada, not the USA.) Moving on, you want better rp from cops in Eclipse, give them RP... don't just come up and say haha I have warrants chase me... or run around cop baiting... or waiting for cops to show up so you can shoot them... setting up ambushs after cop baiting to just get a shoot out isn't exactly what I would call amazing rp, all be it if your gang chooses to risk everything to save everyone so be it. (good on you for protecting you members) but when the detectives crash down on you, don't go to /b evidence, show me proof please. Yes I side tracked this and for that im sorry. But complaining about being harassed as noteable criminals... im certain a murder, aint wandering around a city he just killed someone in in (8 ic hours as that's what your jtime is, I know for a fact no one rps 10 years of jailtime.) so you kill a bunch of cops, go to jail for 8ic hours, then you do it again, and people complain about PD rp. Anyways end rant. PD is not OP, and we are held to the same rules the rest of the server is, plus we have internal rules also that are enforced, just because you cant see it happening doesn't mean it isn't.

Thank you for your concerns whilst you throw insults and allegations at officers without evidence, your oppion is noted. Should you provide Evidence I will gladly investigate your allegations. I would also like to see proof of this video you claim to have of our OOC corruption policies... considering these are something that only members of the faction had and are privileged to have.

@Wizzidy no I haven't been Detroit, why would I go there? and what pertinence does it have here? Cash is taken in instances of store robberies and where the cash has been stolen, that cash is then turned into PD command and used to host public events and give aways… todate the PD has given away roughly 9 million in cars... (I personally take care of the giveaways) Pertaining to IA, I can assure you that isn't the case, officers who get ia reported with evidence, and legitimate cases are dealt with, I can assure you of this being on the receiving end of a couple cases where I broke a policy in the department. As to OOC issues.... like you mention if it is a rule break, then deal with it as a player report as is the way. Pertaining to our Corruption rule, I would like to know how you got it, aswell as see evidence of it. Stuff taken from a criminal isn't as you so eloquently put it "stealing" it is taken and destroyed via a script to despawn the items... thus NOT STOLEN. Show me a maximum security prison that would allow you to take a knife into it and ill let you keep it. (in a first world country as Eclipse is based on Los Angeles) @RickoI would love to increase fines for tickets, issue is that 90% of criminals just dump their cash into their faction treasury to get it back, or pass it off to a buddy to get it back when they get out.... very rarely do people pay the tickets. I personally think that time would be a good demotivator to 90% of the foolish crimes people commit... and also think there should be a debit system implemented for people who cant pay their tickets where their government "salary" is garnished to pay the fines, and depending on the level owing = amount garnished. every 1k = 1% garnished... meaning you owe 54k for fines... you lose 54% of your government salary... you owe 200k you lose 100%... but that's my 2cents... and for @WizzidyI also have a criminal who I rp on, and have played on for the last 16 months ive been in this community and been arrested a couple times, but am smart about it, never once have I shot at a cop, and when they try to arrest me I do good RP to make it a fun experience for them and me, and when in prison at DOC, I rp with the guards and inmates rather then AFK... if/when we get an evidence locker and a way to file the stuff then sure you can have your fishing rod back. but to expect a cop to hang on to it for 2hours while you afk in jail is not realistic or practical. Would you fill your inventory full of other peoples stuff for potentially days to give it back?

@Wizzidy Issue is that you expect an officer to hold on to your belongings for 2hours, whilst rping with other players, getting killed on every other call, and when they don't have your donut which would rot after 10 years in prison, you get upset and come here complaining. Items taken during an arrest are respawned as is the policies and procedures as we have no means of storing items, should a system be implemented at PD and DOC where assests seized can be stored, then that is something that will be added to our policies. Personal weapons, guns, knives, bats etc... you completed a felony, I don't care if you used it or not, you had it on your person when you commited the crime thus had it as a means to an end. Most criminals when I say most I don't mean all but most, are not afraid of prison as its 2hours of Netflix, or a movie... if people feared prison then 100% less people would go around shooting cops because "I was bored" and yes that was the reason I was given a couple days ago after a huge shoot out at a bloody traffic stop where the guy was going to get a verbal warning for an illegal U-turn... (yes I got killed, and so did 2 other cops) Everything taken is disposed of via in game script as it is the only means to disposing items, assets seized are not used by cops... you know we can go to the general store and buy food, radios, burgers, bags, and we can Legally buy guns to right... why do I need yours? Whilst I agree most people when they get a speeding ticket pay it with in the allotted time, but here in our Eclipse world of amazing rp, you have people running around with 200+ speeding tickets, hell some have so many warrants for their arrest that it breaks our system and we cant even look up other peoples records. We have had recently, people with over 224 warrants out for their arrest, and every time an effort is made to bring them in we get shot because somehow his pals know exactly where he is, without a single radio transmission. Now you want to talk RP Quality, great... show me any other faction that has internal rules that are used and punish members for that EXCEED the level of the server rules. Show me another non government faction that will spend 2 hours rping with you because you come up to them and what to talk... or troll in most cases. When searching a car, cops will only take illegal items or items used while you committed your crime... ie gun, radio.... Food, your going to jail for 10 years... you really think that sandwich is gonna be good when you get out... (rp quality here) So from this suggestion 2 things can come forward. 1. A stash spot for evidence lockup... /stashevidence (playername) (fee) this would allow cops and DOC to store items for said player, that can be returned after a jail sentence has been completed, presuming clear record, (no outstanding tickets/fines), after paying and administration fee. 2 Longer jail times, bring back the 8 hour jail times, this will deter people from taking a speeding ticket into a mass shooting... or cop baiting for "I was bored" mentality... this will also increase the quality of RP for everyone, and fear of IC jail, this will also increase RP at the prison. With this comes a bunch of potential options to allow players to decrease j-time... put in a mine at the prison, allow criminals to mine, and each stack of ore they deposit decrease jail time by X. @cheatonus not many people pay hed to rp… I have rp'd taking guns and bags and radios on scene with /me and /do... and turn my back to go and rp with someone else and I look over and the guy is on his radio with his gun out, and then digs through the bag inventory..... so trusting people to follow along and respect rp…. doesn't work.

I'm only going to say a couple things. If you want to RP it as the shipper having a mole, that's fine and you want PD to shut down the shippers, awesome, then we can just close all imports as pd would go after every shipment they get notified about. Secondly to this point.... do you know who your shipper is? perhaps your buying it from a dirty cop? or a gov't run weapons sting operation? Nerf swat... really.... okay Swat is an extremely limited group of members, these members are required to attend 2-4hours of training a week, they also go through an extensive recruitment process that takes between 1 and 4 weeks.... there are MASSIVE regulations around their operations... and pd currently has 114 ish members... of that only a handful are SWAT certified and even fewer can just go on swat patrol when there is need, it often requires permissions from higher rank members of swat or Command Team members. As someone else wisely said, your not suppose to get into gun fights with swat... hell even pd, because I can assure you in RL, if you shot a cop, you aint going back to your house and chilling with a beer, or going for a drive around the city.... Because of the limitations of as you so eloquently called it "the game" PD is unable to gather evidence as after you kill a cop, if we are lucky theres a body, but no one to rp what happened, no evidence, and if the officer had rp'd a body camera, and PD goes and arrests the guy, because if you watch any of these cop shows, you know ballistics from every firearm purchased legally is recorded in a database, well you would have swat and half of the cities police knocking on your door before you had time for the second beer. Oh and the person being arrested would instantly go to /b which there is a ton of people who do when getting arrested.... you have no idea how many times I get /b show me the evidence.... and my reply is /b KEEP IT IC, and then they just ignore rp and /do yes all day long.... I have no idea about the size of shipments or anything like that but if its true you can only order 30, why not setup for a bunch of shipments? When I ran a criminal gang we would plan out 10 shipments, so they landed 5-10mins apart, giving us time to pickup escort to our store house, then go get the next one, or send teams to each... never went to a shipment alone, and we rp'd it... if I was getting guns, I would go get my phantom, and rent a trailer and go pick up the guns... hell I even rp'd paying off the truck depot to borrow the truck. (give the money to a trucker at the place). So nerfing swat, not the answer, fear them, hide, run.... tons of people get away everyday from the PD.... Shipment moles, if you want them to be from the supplier then give PD the ability to shut down shipments for x time because "they shut down that organization" then your going to need to rp building new ties to import guns... oh and hope to hell that the supplier didn't narc you out on a deal. There are limitations on both sides of this argument, example... there are no Peds, in rl… im pretty sure that if a crate parachuted from the air to the ground one of the 5million people in a city would make a call... or if a float plane landed on the lake.... and unloaded a bunch of boxes of guns... or somehow, they smuggled guns crates through customs at a international airport... I think Police would be involved. Now I wish you the best of luck on your imports, and I personally feel 5% is a good ratio, (just gotta build the cost of lost merchandise into your sell prices fellas!)

it has been 16months since I was a new player... and when I was some of the things above were even harder to understand, there are guides in place here https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/51-faq-server-guides/ As anyone that is joining the server now is experiencing long waits for acceptance there is plenty of time to review them, yes there are somethings missing, but a lot of it should be ic information gained. Rping as an adult that has lived in the city makes partial sense but if your new to the RP and the community then your likely going to struggle more so then someone whos been RPing for years. There are guides already in-place for work, and there is a guide for server commands along with the f6 menu. Anyways I wish you good luck with approval for your new player guide.

You had stated 98% of the server didn't know. Either way, I feel it is important that players know the difference between ic information and ooc information. Most of the information being requested on this thread should be requested via IC means. Email, going to city hall, calling them.... any of these would work. As to the comments about public releases... I can not speak to the Government (city hall) but I can assure you that the LSPD makes frequent ones.https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewforum.php?f=43 You can find all the public ones there. I apologize if I came off rude or annoyed, it was not my intention, but feel it is crucial to the success and a players experience to be able to separate IC from OOC. otherwise ooc tensions will cause IC issues and vice versa, or carry over of knowledge from one character to another.

housing = ic, parking lot = ic, basic jobs (there is a guide) taxes there is a announcement, welfare there is an announcement, Mors = ic, Speeding tickets.... come on you join an RP server and expect to play GTA Online?... eating & Drinking was announced months ago... and ummm come on some basic understanding goes a long way. Did you read the guides? I assume based on your response you must of glanced at them but paid little heed. Businesses, loans and Government functions are all IC. Buy houses is IC also. So my advice is ask people in character, we all figured it out via IC means, so why cant a new player... Yes I am all for helping new players and often take them around the city give them a tour and often even give em money to buy a car. Now there are ic avenues to gain your information... look at the DCC guided tours? Okay, for actions if you look closely then you see a notification pop up at the top of your screen telling you how to do it.... gas station as you so pointed out, you pull in and get a notification at the top of your screen telling you the command. Buying cars, houses is IC. Find a seller, go to a car dealer, go to one of the used car markets (all of which is IC) Taxes was announced and can easily be asked of a majority of players who have been here more then a couple weeks. and stating 98% of the server doesn't know how to buy a car... yet everyone has one.... or a house yet a ton of people have em… and taxes... do you understand how you are taxed in real life? chances are you don't have a complete understanding of your countrys taxation system either so to expect to understand and be spoonfed the information here is unrealistic. If you want information, go speak to someone at city hall about it. Perhaps you should look for people with a bit more knowledge about the city then approaching other new players... look for the people that have been in the city a while and understand how it works both ic and ooc…. If they gave everyone every bit of information when you joined I can assure you that it wouldn't make a difference to 98% of the players as the majority don't pay heed to the rules let alone server information. The government website has a link here on the main page of the eclipse forums.... look in the ic portion... as to the government entities... go to city hall if you actually want to know who they are. Businesses are registered on the gov't website, for the public to see.... as to the creation of more that is strictly development and is strickly ooc until taken ownership by someone (whom everyone had a chance to get a store if they tried and had the money) I have been here 16 months... and still learn stuff that is the perk of it. If you ever get the chance to play another player based economic structural game then you will see how complex it is... I have one game ive been playing for 12 years.... and I learn something new every-time I log into it.... the economic structure here is a rather simple but effective one, and is easily understood. if you want to learn more ooc message me on discord im Bacon on the eclipse one... easy to find. and I can answer your questions there as to not congest this suggestion any further.

well perhaps a reward system can be implement as well to increase points earned... make a courier delivery + 1 point, so if your working that job or any job you are rewarded... as most of the courier, money transport jobs there are only about 5minutes between drops you would gain additional points for said job... or at the end when you return the truck you get x points x being a multiple of the number of drops you make, kind of like the system that if you make 10 money drops you get a bonus. It was a suggestion to increase rp as currently anyone can go and get a job as a trucker/courier and at the same time criminals use to be known to go get a bus just on a whim and block highways or get a truck from the depo so they had a heavy vehicle to stop the police. This would limit the potential and would mean people would require to have a good record to work these jobs, as if I personally ran a business in this game, I would model it similar to that of my RL job where if you have a criminal record you get paid less then the guy who has nothing. For fear that your going to abuse, steal or just not perform.

@Brawnkoh I alone pulled over 20 speeders last night… so yea, problem with that is that everyone is after the big crimes and shooting at cops rather then RP. I as also on my criminal the other day at a traffic stop to only have the officer harassed and killed while giving me a ticket... to which I didn't even know who the criminal was, or anything and have no ties to other gangs. So this shows the general lack of RP standards held in the community by some of the players. Speeding cameras in Real life don't just issue tickets like these ones, but also remove points from a persons license, and if your caught in excess of what's called "stunting" 50kph over the speed limit it is sent for review by officers/clerks who will issue warrants i'm certain... at least that's the way it works here in my neck of the woods. while yes I agree the cameras are mostly in place to try and deter people driving like maniacs all over the place at 200kph because we all know a city the size of los santos (based even on the GTA Online version) would have thousands of cars and civilians walkin around, rage and 99% of peoples computer on the server would never be able to support 300+ players, and then another 3000 npcs walking about. I personally when am alone or rping with people I pretend the city is packed with people. Anyways we are getting side tracked here a bit. I agree to not limit new players instantly but feel that higher paying jobs should be harder to obtain.... example being truckers.... as not just anyone can go out and become a trucker, courier is easyier, and farm labourer hell I was one when I was 12.... 18 years ago. Different jobs should have different requirements… and also Come on... you shouldn't be able to be a courier driving a company vehicle without a license... and trucker the same.... no company is going to let someone without a license drive their vehicles and 90% demand clean driving abstracts. (obviously this is hard to do with what people do here but to an extent it should impact their job opportunities some.)

@Astrox grats on joining the faction. And tbh look at governments in RL, they don't share everything, there is a shit ton of secrets and confidential information so yea... anyways I think the issues should be handled icly concerning the changes and growth of the faction.

your essentially an immigrant not everyone is going to hire someone off the get go.... trucking company would be hesitant to hire someone that has no experience in the country... but I can understand that hence why some of the jobs are set at 0... and the points are obviously open to change.

@Jasmine I would like to state all the information your requesting is IC information and 90% can be gained via the Government website. The government is run by players and is managed via IC means. Before speaking out against them, I would look into some research on the IC website that the government faction hosts. As for the implications of the stores that is ooc as it is strictly a development item and was introduced by developers to increase opportunities for more players. The stores have always existed its not like they went and created the stores, all they did was made it so that the stores can be own'd by players rather then NPCs. If you want transparency in your government requesting it OOC aint gonna do it, talk to a government official in person or email them icly and talk to them about it.

cruise control works fine, only time you need to re toggle is when you get in the car.... but you shouldn't need to rely on it... do you rely on your cruise control to limit how fast you drive you real car on the streets? Because real cruise is used to hold a speed, but allows you to go above said speed, not prevent you speeding, it is the drivers responsibility to ensure they aren't speeding. If people are joining this server it is to RP, thus should be taking it seriously otherwise they can and likely will impact the rp of others in the community and unfortunately the impacts are often negative.

well tbh this is an RP server, people should make half an attempt to drive responsibly and actually make an attempt at a real sorta approach rather then a GTA online style of play.

I like this idea, I at one point made a suggestion on a point system. Good behaviour (normal day to day life) accumulates points +1 every 10mins or something Ticket = -5 points Misdemeanor = - 20 points Felony = -50 points. Each type of job would require a certain amount of points to be eligible.... kinda like a criminal record check Each new player would start with a point balance of 0 if they got a ticket they would lose 5 points, and can go negative. Jobs Courier 0+ Farmer 0+ Bus 25+ Trucker 40+ and even player run factions could use this system also if they choose. If someone employed in one of the above jobs drops below the minimum points then they would be terminated from employment and would have to reapply (rejoin) once they meet the requirement. Example: I am employed as a trucker with (43points) making my deliveries, (or driving home from work) I speed through a speed camera and get a speeding ticket.... well I just lost 5 points and once I complete my deliveries should I not be above 40 points by the time I return the truck my position would be terminated. I am employed as a farmer, and I rob the farmer beside me and the cops catch me, well that's robbery - 20points, I lose 20points, that puts me below the minimum points requirement and paul wont hire me anymore. But. I am a trucker with a perfect driving record and don't do anything wrong, and have been well behaved for a long time. I get a speeding ticket, well I lost 5 points but im at + 65 so now im at 60 points... so I don't lose my job just need to be careful.

If it was implemented I think it should require a sequence like the one on one of the heists... a mini game... and it would take time, and as soon as its tampered with it would trigger a blip.... red marker.... So if you leave the area it triggers red, or if its tampered with it Triggers red, both PD and DOC receive a notification, with location tracking. Once removed the blip would remain stationary at the position removed, and would require an officer/doc member to go deactivate the blip.... that way some RP can happen with finding it, and also the owner/probationer would have his name attached to it so that people would know who got away.

now were talking... active gps ankle bracelets... and increased jail time should they breach parole... exceeding the 2hour mark... make it actually something to fear... rather then... ah I only get 2hours so fuck it ima kill cops, rob the store and then shoot up LSC Prison time needs to be something that is feared... only about 10 people ive ever met actually rp being afraid to go to prison.

but whats stopping them just getting the vehicle... and screwing about? ignoring the responsibilities.?

@Astrox As I stated earlier. The faction has been founded, any changes in its structure, development are all IC and must be treated that way. Same as any other faction. Only OOC stuff that should be brought up would be concerning scripting and server support, not governmental structure reforms. I was not here to argue but rather bring light to the points you had mentioned. and explain how other factions grow and develop. I hold everyone in high regard but based on experience I know that people don't take certain things seriously... interacting with police, medics or gov't officials, treat it like a joke, so to expect an election to be a good representation of who would be the best to lead would be a poor assumption. That and with players coming and going via their own discression or via rule breaks, having someone who on an alt receives monthly/bi monthly punishments would not be a good plan as it would cause the gov't to end up with similar issues as weazle is unfortunately experiencing at this time.