Broker Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 Hello, so I will tell a bit of story from my side and I assure I'm not the only one with same problem. So first when I came to this town was 2019 January, I met some guys and got involved in some gang affiliated things and I had to do everything so I could get they're respect and survive and of course I had to be involved in some shootouts and stuff and get to sit in a prison cell, once I understood that I really don't like this all. I just left and started to do some legal jobs, because once you didn't taste things by yourself, you would never know right? So, I had a taste of being a gang and I really regret it, because from my old sins I did back in 2019 January, I can't obtain my personal firearms license even if I am been clean and legal working citizen for 1 year and 4 months. Yes, I know it was a mistake but I think we do deserve second chance and possible way to get legal gun license, if we haven't been charged for really long time. We need this firearms license for our protection specially in our days it’s really needed and I don't want to carry illegal gun on me while I work in Government Job. So, with this message I hope to make some changes about firearms license, because I know there is more guys like me which are legal working citizens but can’t obtain legal firearms license which is really unfair. 7
QuentinS Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 I have a lot of friends with the same problem, ones who were bad but have been all legal for over a year. Something should be done about this, maybe making a separate test for those who wish to re gain their license. 2 1
Henry Goodman Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) I think government should allow some rehabilitation program on which people can apply for and get accepted/denied from LSPD. Rehab program to make you work for taxi,lsc,bay etc. for specific amount of time, cut on the pay or something. Many options. Edited June 5, 2020 by Henry Goodman 1 1
Bagacius Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) I used to have felony for running from cops and it was blocked for me as well. But like 4 months ago ((4 weeks)) , they let me to get firearm licence because i was clean for long time, without any felonies or any other crimes, just tickets. Edited June 5, 2020 by Bagacius 1
CaesarSeizure Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 I think with the recent changes in the firearms licensing as well as the creation of the parole program, there are plenty of ways to make this happen. Allow people who have been deemed clean for a long time to have a chance to own a firearms license again. This could be done with a more detailed review of the persons firearms history (which is easier to do now with the change to the MDC OS), have these people on a list that would allow LEO's to have a better visibility of them. At the end people make mistakes, but we should not be holding those mistakes over peoples heads for the rest of their lives. 1
Broker Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Posted June 5, 2020 Yes people make mistakes but that doesn't mean that now we are cursed for rest of our lifes. And for example if people wish to join Police Department or Sheriffs Department or own a Gun Store we just are not able to do that.
Gekko Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) Goverment should never allow people to retake their license you did crimes for a reason, therefore pay your due. (( OOCLY talking people don't consider their story and don't understand the path they take as a criminal, people who just join server "lets kill someone" )) Edited June 5, 2020 by Gekko
OBESE Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 Wait, if I remember correctly, I might be mistaken, when the firearms licenses were introduced in the way they are now, everyone lost theirs, so it was said that all the crimes before introducing this license will not count. The licenses were added last year May, so if you're saying your last time in prison was 1 year and 4 months ago, then it was at least 2-3 months before the license wipe and the new system was introduced, which means, that those criminal records that you have should not matter and you should be able to get a license. Maybe someone can share a light on what I said. I might not remember correctly or something.
Gekko Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, OBESE said: Wait, if I remember correctly, I might be mistaken, when the firearms licenses were introduced in the way they are now, everyone lost theirs, so it was said that all the crimes before introducing this license will not count. The licenses were added last year May, so if you're saying your last time in prison was 1 year and 4 months ago, then it was at least 2-3 months before the license wipe and the new system was introduced, which means, that those criminal records that you have should not matter and you should be able to get a license. Maybe someone can share a light on what I said. I might not remember correctly or something. I think it was like that, but criminals do crimes like kids eats their candies. It doesn't matter how much you've done.
Pazz Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 Hello and thank you for raising your concern. Over a month ago, our Media Relations Division in collaboration with our Firearms Licensing Division has pushed out a press release regarding the release of "Form B", a newly introduced form which allows those who have lost their firearms license to re-apply after twelve months of having a "clear" record, unless they have been charged with one of the felonies listed in the press release. You can find the press release here: lspd.gov/press-releases/04-23-20/firearms-and-licensing-division-offers-a-second-chance-for-ex-convicts.htm. To summarize the press release, if you were not charged with a felony that permanently disqualifies you (listed in the press release) from re-obtaining your permit and you have maintained a clear record for the last twelve months, you can re-apply for your firearms license using FORM B, as opposed to FORM A, which is used to apply for the first time. This should be of assistance to those who have lost their firearms license by receiving a charge that qualifies for the removal of a permit but does not prohibit the re-obtaining of one. 1 1
Broker Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Posted June 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, OBESE said: Wait, if I remember correctly, I might be mistaken, when the firearms licenses were introduced in the way they are now, everyone lost theirs, so it was said that all the crimes before introducing this license will not count. The licenses were added last year May, so if you're saying your last time in prison was 1 year and 4 months ago, then it was at least 2-3 months before the license wipe and the new system was introduced, which means, that those criminal records that you have should not matter and you should be able to get a license. Maybe someone can share a light on what I said. I might not remember correctly or something. I mean yeah that would be fully acceptable to get firearms license, if you did your crimes before new Licensing Wipe, since we who did crimes didn't know about risking for obtaining it in the future, so I think that's a bit unfair that we didn't know what will await us in the future.
Broker Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Posted June 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, Gekko said: Goverment should never allow people to retake their license you did crimes for a reason, therefore pay your due. (( OOCLY talking people don't consider their story and don't understand the path they take as a criminal, people who just join server "lets kill someone" )) I'm sorry that you think that way but I guess if you would be in our situation you would think differently, that people who actually spent lot of time to be legal and stay out of trouble, they deserve second chance.
Gekko Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, Broker said: I'm sorry that you think that way but I guess if you would be in our situation you would think differently, that people who actually spent lot of time to be legal and stay out of trouble, they deserve second chance. I've spent a lot of time being legal, being shot at, talked shit to where I could've lost control, saw many people who were easy targets to rob or so on. This was your choice last year they gave people a chance and some people took that chance and some people just didn't care. Having a gun license is a privilege for people who works hard to help Los Santos community. As I said gun license is a privilege not a must for everyone.
Broker Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Posted June 5, 2020 42 minutes ago, Gekko said: I've spent a lot of time being legal, being shot at, talked shit to where I could've lost control, saw many people who were easy targets to rob or so on. This was your choice last year they gave people a chance and some people took that chance and some people just didn't care. Having a gun license is a privilege for people who works hard to help Los Santos community. As I said gun license is a privilege not a must for everyone. '' This was your choice last year they gave people a chance and some people took that chance and some people just didn't care.'' Well back in that time there was no such things as Firearms License, so people didn't know about what they can risk off, I'm assure if people would know that there would be Firearms License and rules about not getting them, they wouldn't risk and do that kind of stuff what could not getting those licenses.
Gekko Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Broker said: '' This was your choice last year they gave people a chance and some people took that chance and some people just didn't care.'' Well back in that time there was no such things as Firearms License, so people didn't know about what they can risk off, I'm assure if people would know that there would be Firearms License and rules about not getting them, they wouldn't risk and do that kind of stuff what could not getting those licenses. Mhm, you're right, I've been thinking about what you said and yes, people do some stupid stuff. We need to give people another chance +1 for this although i think this should take some time to prove that people are not going back to crime lets say 5 months ((IRL)) and they could get their license back. 1
Broker Posted June 5, 2020 Author Report Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gekko said: Mhm, you're right, I've been thinking about what you said and yes, people do some stupid stuff. We need to give people another chance +1 for this although i think this should take some time to prove that people are not going back to crime lets say 5 months ((IRL)) and they could get their license back. Yeah specially for people who have been staying out of trouble and working legal for very long time. Yes we all do mistakes but its not fair that its going to be denied forever.
vx3r Posted June 5, 2020 Report Posted June 5, 2020 I have been clean for 12 months ((3months)) yet i can not get my license back
Broker Posted June 6, 2020 Author Report Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Borrelli said: That is for people who haven't convicted serious crimes or the ones who have lost they're firearms license. ''You must be able to pass a background check. If you have been previously been convicted of any of the felonies from the list below, you are permanently disqualified from reapplying for a personal firearms license regardless of time passed.'' Edited June 6, 2020 by Broker
Borrelli Posted June 6, 2020 Report Posted June 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Broker said: That is for people who haven't convicted serious crimes or the ones who have lost they're firearms license. ''You must be able to pass a background check. If you have been previously been convicted of any of the felonies from the list below, you are permanently disqualified from reapplying for a personal firearms license regardless of time passed.'' If you have one of those charges, you don't deserve to have a license. Those are all serious charges which show a history of serious violence/firearm trafficking and as such we do not feel it is appropriate for an individual with one of these charges to receive a firearms permit.
Broker Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Posted June 7, 2020 18 hours ago, Borrelli said: If you have one of those charges, you don't deserve to have a license. Those are all serious charges which show a history of serious violence/firearm trafficking and as such we do not feel it is appropriate for an individual with one of these charges to receive a firearms permit. Sorry that you think that way but we do deserve second chance no matter what, we didn't know that this could happen with firearms licenses in future nobody did, and of course the people who know the rules after the new firearms permit importing in this town they will think different, but for us who have been here for longer time, its just unfair for us.
vx3r Posted June 7, 2020 Report Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Broker said: Sorry that you think that way but we do deserve second chance no matter what, we didn't know that this could happen with firearms licenses in future nobody did, and of course the people who know the rules after the new firearms permit importing in this town they will think different, but for us who have been here for longer time, its just unfair for us. That is true as I use to be part of WCA but left and I am now the highest rank at LSC before management 1
