AtlasOLimbo Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 32 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said: i actualy feel that it brought more RP to the server, gangs where constant popping up doing propper RP in order to be official and then gangs would be doing business with eachother. now..... nowdays its clapping and clapping an clapping and even that is decaying slowly. so it really did not ADD RP it added interaction and manny perma bans over DM Criminals need a place to PvP or else they try and escalate otherwise meaningless encounters into PvP. Quote
Cal Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 18 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said: i actualy feel that it brought more RP to the server, gangs where constant popping up doing propper RP in order to be official and then gangs would be doing business with eachother. now..... nowdays its clapping and clapping an clapping and even that is decaying slowly. so it really did not ADD RP it added interaction and manny perma bans over DM Gang fights have always happened since the beginning of the server. I think gang fights mostly happen now around labs (so more remote locations) i.e one gang pushing another gang. Whereas before, a lot more fights happened around all areas of the map because gangs didn't cook at the original 4 labs much because of private cooking. Of course those fights did happen in the 4 original labs but it happened a lot less. Or a lot of fights would start because someone was seen leaving of the original 4 labs and chased to the city. I don't know whether devs planned for that to happen, but considering that a lot of admins typically view PvP in a negative light, I feel like it was done on purpose. Overall same amount of fights happen, but actually in labs compared to random shootouts around the city. Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 4 hours ago, Cal said: Gang fights have always happened since the beginning of the server. I think gang fights mostly happen now around labs (so more remote locations) i.e one gang pushing another gang. Whereas before, a lot more fights happened around all areas of the map because gangs didn't cook at the original 4 labs much because of private cooking. Of course those fights did happen in the 4 original labs but it happened a lot less. Or a lot of fights would start because someone was seen leaving of the original 4 labs and chased to the city. I don't know whether devs planned for that to happen, but considering that a lot of admins typically view PvP in a negative light, I feel like it was done on purpose. Overall same amount of fights happen, but actually in labs compared to random shootouts around the city. there was a lot more fights and crime going on in ALL area's, back then, i remember sathurday being so wild that even chases for 2 hourse being still there, til 6am, sometimes it was just so wild, also half of the gangs where actualy promoting RP just to get official, doing the rp crim stuff, and even solo crims where kinda involved, because they wanted tables so they would go lenghts to get that, there was even an economy around thriving around that. now as a solo crim you cant invest in yourself, so you left out or you join the gangs that beef, pvp wil and was always be a thing, but back then it was a choice to do so, after the change, solo crims left or became civils, or join the pvp culture, i myself expierenced this a lot, and even now i feel lot of gangs have started thinning out a lot, so itsd a bit on a losing end, - i think the private labs where not as much of a problem when we had 300-450 people active in the server everyday, (thanks god private labs was there, because imagine everyione fighting over oild and mining back then) -however, i noticed a change around the 250 people mark that private labs became suddenly an issue, and as much as i like private labs back, i think i have to admit that RIGHT NOW it might not be the right timing to implement them, as much as i like them Quote
Bala Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 Buddy, you gotta let it go, we ain't bringing the private labs back in 2026. Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 19 hours ago, Bala said: Buddy, you gotta let it go, we ain't bringing the private labs back in 2026. you know i fully understand the deeper thing goign on behind it right XD, i see the bad and the good in it. i , know it wont make a come back Quote
derick gee Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 On 12/16/2025 at 3:32 PM, Takz said: +1 We need them back. we need u back dez 3 Quote
Daxu Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 I think tables should be the same vibe as chop shops. Place-able across the map. Now you can use a lab or setup your own tiny shop that is raidable and whatnot. Especially with the introduction of planting zones, it would be cool to have people paranoid about being followed and whatnot, giving a real reason to be lowkey. 2 4 Quote
Dirty Mike Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 On 1/18/2026 at 12:00 AM, daxu said: I think tables should be the same vibe as chop shops. Place-able across the map. Now you can use a lab or setup your own tiny shop that is raidable and whatnot. Especially with the introduction of planting zones, it would be cool to have people paranoid about being followed and whatnot, giving a real reason to be lowkey. +1, Make default drug tables in labs, and any player owned tables placed in labs produce at double the speed of tables placed any where else on the map to incentivize people using labs. Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 the whole crim rp was different then, - new players would interact with anyone just to get themself tables, a place, some money and go. - now al those new players are left out roaming the map, while the crim scene is just a call of duty game now. people hate on the private labs so much, but it brought also so many great things. and ever since they started screwing with it, the population declined over 4 years. but nobody is willing to acknowledge this. 4 Quote
AnakinB Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Ritchie Stones said: people hate on the private labs so much, but it brought also so many great things. and ever since they started screwing with it, the population declined over 4 years. not being able to afk in your apartment is not what is causing the pop to decline brotha 1 Quote
alexalex303 Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said: - but nobody is willing to acknowledge this. I know that you really want private labs again but they are not the reason for the population decline. I suggest you join a gang and you'll be able to cook at public labs. Edited March 30 by alexalex303 1 Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted April 2 Report Posted April 2 On 3/30/2026 at 4:45 PM, alexalex303 said: I know that you really want private labs again but they are not the reason for the population decline. I suggest you join a gang and you'll be able to cook at public labs. yeah and then get in shootouts, and possibly win, then get reported over and over again to the point of being deported because god forbid you win, they come after you another way, and half of our population is banned for getting in shootouts,. .... like thats a big win, fair enough to me if some people wnat that, but there should be a choice, i genuinly like scaling, investing, opperating in secret, and infact i would not actualy do it THAT much, but i liked the idea of having control of going to make some money from my early investments. population decline is also idd not ONLY attached to the private labs, but i did see decline ever since. i have to many reasons to explain. i think there should be a choice for some people, im really not for this rediculous childish toxic cat and mouse gangshootouts triggered by words like " bitch" pussy"rudness, ramming just to get under your nerve to get a bullet in you. i like doing maffia bussiness. 2 Quote
Dirty Mike Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 53 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said: yeah and then get in shootouts, and possibly win, then get reported over and over again to the point of being deported because god forbid you win, they come after you another way, and half of our population is banned for getting in shootouts,. .... like thats a big win, fair enough to me if some people wnat that, but there should be a choice, i genuinly like scaling, investing, opperating in secret, and infact i would not actualy do it THAT much, but i liked the idea of having control of going to make some money from my early investments. population decline is also idd not ONLY attached to the private labs, but i did see decline ever since. i have to many reasons to explain. i think there should be a choice for some people, im really not for this rediculous childish toxic cat and mouse gangshootouts triggered by words like " bitch" pussy"rudness, ramming just to get under your nerve to get a bullet in you. i like doing maffia bussiness. I agree 100% not every one who rps as a crim wants to operate in a large group to produce drugs or get in shoot outs constantly and I think telling people to bad isnt the answer. some of the most fun I had as a crim on this server was driving my rv around trying to find a secret spot to produce drugs. Open up the map so that weed can be planted any where, and allow drug tables to be placed outside any where. make tables take 60 seconds to break down, get rid of watering and make cook times like 10 min, so a 10 table (private) public set up would produce 1 drug per minute but be a 10 table foot print in public risking more of being exposed. Honestly what do we have to lose? Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 13 minutes ago, Dirty Mike said: I agree 100% not every one who rps as a crim wants to operate in a large group to produce drugs or get in shoot outs constantly and I think telling people to bad isnt the answer. some of the most fun I had as a crim on this server was driving my rv around trying to find a secret spot to produce drugs. Open up the map so that weed can be planted any where, and allow drug tables to be placed outside any where. make tables take 60 seconds to break down, get rid of watering and make cook times like 10 min, so a 10 table (private) public set up would produce 1 drug per minute but be a 10 table foot print in public risking more of being exposed. Honestly what do we have to lose? a large group of people still want to be a crim but not the way its being played today, its toxic, its grose, your getting banned if your to good of a clapper because everyone tries to get you out the game if they cant win ingame, the RP has never been so low, ever, back then there was gang meetings every week, there was bussiness with multiple gangs at the same time, now, its hop out, shoot, get so toxic slurs and bye, but its whatever, getting back the private labs is admitting a mistake was made to take them out so... 1 Quote
Daxu Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 46 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said: but its whatever, getting back the private labs is admitting a mistake was made to take them out so... I maintain it was the right thing to do, with the caveat that they are brought back as items you can place in the overworld, not interiors. If they get treated like how chopping devices are now (engine hoist, car lift, toolbox), it would literally solve everyone's issue. 1 Quote
Dirty Mike Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, daxu said: I maintain it was the right thing to do, with the caveat that they are brought back as items you can place in the overworld, not interiors. If they get treated like how chopping devices are now (engine hoist, car lift, toolbox), it would literally solve everyone's issue. agreed 100% Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 18 hours ago, Dirty Mike said: agreed 100% agreed to that aswell, exterior placement would be good, but for crim it has to be "scaleable, why ? its a race, to be the most powerfull, thats criminal mindset, to be better then everyone, Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 On 1/13/2026 at 8:55 PM, Cal said: Gang fights have always happened since the beginning of the server. I think gang fights mostly happen now around labs (so more remote locations) i.e one gang pushing another gang. Whereas before, a lot more fights happened around all areas of the map because gangs didn't cook at the original 4 labs much because of private cooking. Of course those fights did happen in the 4 original labs but it happened a lot less. Or a lot of fights would start because someone was seen leaving of the original 4 labs and chased to the city. I don't know whether devs planned for that to happen, but considering that a lot of admins typically view PvP in a negative light, I feel like it was done on purpose. Overall same amount of fights happen, but actually in labs compared to random shootouts around the city. clappers be clappers, sure thing, but it leaves out the people who was focused on other ways of playing crim. the bussinness crim. i remember gangfight since day one, +5 years now, always wil be a thing, but, new players was always going after an RV and tables, and it connected the newer player base to gangs, now there is no more interaction from them, i used to connect with 10 new people every week, now its 10 ever 2 months Quote
Dirty Mike Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 28 minutes ago, Eliza said: They’re not coming back guys Were asking for tables to be placed out side not indoors, try to keep up Quote
Eliza Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Dirty Mike said: Were asking for tables to be placed out side not indoors, try to keep up I have read the thread. Tables have been gone for 2 years, huff as much copium as you need to accept that it isn’t healthy to be cut off from other players while printing money for zero risk. It makes to difference whether you’re inside a property or doing so outside while blocked inside buildable walls Quote
Dirty Mike Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 5 hours ago, Eliza said: I have read the thread. Tables have been gone for 2 years, huff as much copium as you need to accept that it isn’t healthy to be cut off from other players while printing money for zero risk. It makes to difference whether you’re inside a property or doing so outside while blocked inside buildable walls Your totally right, could we remove private chop shops as well, it just isn't healthy to be cut off from other players while printing money for zero risk inside buildable walls in a private chop shop 1 Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 11 hours ago, Dirty Mike said: Your totally right, could we remove private chop shops as well, it just isn't healthy to be cut off from other players while printing money for zero risk inside buildable walls in a private chop shop ssshhh they might actualy do it, becuause god forbid coming up with an alternnative for privatelabs that could look somewhat like the chopsystem, and open a door for the solo crim that is more based on investing in propperty, bussinness connections, scaleable expansion, to embody that kingpin idea, that is what crim is about, that entire group of people stayed a bit longer as civilians and has eventualy left, but it seems that some people choose to deny that truth. we are 200 players left at best, for more other reasons to. i really wonder'with no bad intent btw) if the server is going to actualy die such quiet death. Quote
NotMattch Posted April 6 Report Posted April 6 Easy solution to people just building a lab inside their own buildable walls is just to script restrict them from being place within the buildable area of houses and properties to force them to be elsewhere. Or use the same system as the weed plants do to define where they are growable outside. Multiple ways to go about it. Anything that removes the dependency on fixed static locations is a good thing in my book. 1 1 Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 On 4/6/2026 at 2:47 AM, NotMattch said: Easy solution to people just building a lab inside their own buildable walls is just to script restrict them from being place within the buildable area of houses and properties to force them to be elsewhere. Or use the same system as the weed plants do to define where they are growable outside. Multiple ways to go about it. Anything that removes the dependency on fixed static locations is a good thing in my book. but that takes away the purpose of "investing in houses to get that perfect great spot, its about "investing" everything these days is so over regulated to to point it aint fun no more or has no build up. strange how the server top was 500 people when private labs was a thing and now it only went down, how long, wil reality be denied, its getting from bad to worse.... how long till people realise you cant argue "reality" Quote
