i just lost 1000s of euros of credits :(

[Ritchie Stones]

i cant find the right words to put in perspective about the way i feel
i had just read a comment from @Osvaldon into panel suggestions about the HSW being included in credit vehicles. 
and though i do appreciate that resolution, i am still suffering 
19 credit vehicles of the 20, since i only have 1 credit hsw vehicle, i either need to make a choice, coughing up millions in game.
or have my almost 376000 credits going to waste
(credit prices vary through the years) so i am losing 1000s of euros here that i have put in the server over the past 5 years,

i dont understand how i can be let down like this, and this is for me a lot to take, i love the server i love the people in it,
but im sitting here on some deep mixed feelings right now.
and i dont really know what to say.
can this please be looked into ???? i cant be the only one having to suffer this big right ?  


LIST of cars + most recent credits cost.

VSTR 8000
rebla 7000
jubilee 5500
patriot 7000
dragur 8000
10F 15 000
windsor 4500
italy GTO 25 000
torros 16 500
ETR1 11 500
paragon S 16 500
coquette D10. 25 000
italy RSX 25 000
nero costum 25 000
kamacho 8000
IGNUS 50 000
X80 proto 50 000
sentinel GTS 11 500
gauntlet hellfire 7000
niobe 50 000

total = 376.000 credits 

as you can see there is only one HSW vehicle. the cost for me is going to be very extreme to be able to use those cars again the way i used to.

Edited November 6, 2025 by Ritchie Stones
its 376000 not 176000

[Timmaayy]

You have not lost "1000s" of euros. When you use credits, you are purchasing the vehicle, not the mods.

You haven't even made a suggestion.

[Larentki]

3 minutes ago, Timmaayy said:

You have not lost "1000s" of euros. When you use credits, you are purchasing the vehicle, not the mods.

One of the main reasons players buy credit vehicles is for the speed. Hence the ability to refund a vehicle after modding it for money back. 

 

While yes--there are times people buy the car for the car, its often for the mods. I myself would have NEVER bought my stinger if I knew it costed 1.4m to upgrade, and it still cost 400k with hsw. I have only bought some credits and only have 3 credit cars but im with Ritchie. The HSW problom only fixes the issue for a select amount of cars--and barley dose. 

 

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say were not asking for our money back, we're just asking for a chance to refund credit vehicles we no longer wish to own due to the new changes. I feel this is a fair request. 

 

My suggestion? Open refunds for a week for existing credit cars, allow owners to refund their cars back into credits. @Osvaldon would lose no money and possibly even gain some for people who need to buy more credits for the car they want. 

 

The changes made are big and very unreasonable for people who bought credit cars and cant sell them. Give us a chance, please.

[Ritchie Stones]

15 minutes ago, Timmaayy said:

You have not lost "1000s" of euros. When you use credits, you are purchasing the vehicle, not the mods.

You haven't even made a suggestion.

we cant sell the cars nor refund them, its caugh up millions in game for many donators, or let them rot away in the garage.
the donators who donated the most and been most loyal are affected the most in this. 

and you can say " i did not lose 1000s of euro's" but you cant dismiss the way i feel about it, i DO feel that i lost 1000s in euro's for this. and i dont even want a refund but i do just want my cars to be unaffected, because that is the expectancy of cost that i had with buying those cars, 

[AnnoyingOne]

But your cars are unaffected. 

There is nothing different about your cars. You had to pay for mods before, you have to pay for mods now.

[Ritchie Stones]

6 minutes ago, AnnoyingOne said:

But your cars are unaffected. 

There is nothing different about your cars. You had to pay for mods before, you have to pay for mods now.

But im indirectly forced to pay up in game a lot more or let them rot in the garage. I cant sell them cant refund, its double pay up to 5 times still for the niobe, thats an insane cost when you have to do 19 cars 

[Hubie]

what are u on about

[Ritchie Stones]

50 minutes ago, Timmaayy said:

You have not lost "1000s" of euros. When you use credits, you are purchasing the vehicle, not the mods.

You haven't even made a suggestion.

If i maybe had  2 cars and one HSW car then the update would not be as intense compare to someone like me who now gets  to deal with a bill of 20 cars. And then. I better do upgrade them otherwise im also losing a lot of money on the mods that are still on those cars “non engine mods” so in everyway im losing here. 

Edited November 7, 2025 by Ritchie Stones

[Aerzioa]

50 minutes ago, Larentki said:

My suggestion? Open refunds for a week for existing credit cars, allow owners to refund their cars back into credits. @Osvaldon would lose no money and possibly even gain some for people who need to buy more credits for the car they want. 

I agree with this!

[Homast]

This reeks of Pay to Win Mentality.

Now because you have to invest IC time and money into your vehicles, you're angry? Even though the previous IC cost was given back to you to reinvest into your vehicle?

If you don't want to deal with the bill of 20 cars, Simply don't. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade your cars. Upgrade the one or two you use the most and go on with things, Unless you mean to tell me you actively use all 20 vehicles every day plus the other cars you might have bought using IC cash....
 

[Ritchie Stones]

4 hours ago, Homast said:

This reeks of Pay to Win Mentality.

Now because you have to invest IC time and money into your vehicles, you're angry? Even though the previous IC cost was given back to you to reinvest into your vehicle?

If you don't want to deal with the bill of 20 cars, Simply don't. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade your cars. Upgrade the one or two you use the most and go on with things, Unless you mean to tell me you actively use all 20 vehicles every day plus the other cars you might have bought using IC cash....
 

If i would have known 5 years from now i would have been more carefull about my purchase and maybe not go to 20 vehicles if it ment for this bill. 
Maybe you just dont have 20 cars. Try out yourself in my shoes. You think having payd 20 cars to then let them rot away in a garage is fun? Its a very bitter taste. 
if you are maybe down 1-2 cars okay. It still sucks. But 20 is down a hole with no end. This is going to take me years to reupgrade. The server wil probably dead by the time i do

[alexalex303]

6 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

If i would have known 5 years from now i would have been more carefull about my purchase and maybe not go to 20 vehicles if it ment for this bill. 
Maybe you just dont have 20 cars. Try out yourself in my shoes. You think having payd 20 cars to then let them rot away in a garage is fun? Its a very bitter taste. 
if you are maybe down 1-2 cars okay. It still sucks. But 20 is down a hole with no end. This is going to take me years to reupgrade. The server wil probably dead by the time i do

No one needs 20 cars, you wanted 20 cars. Now you have a goal to upgrade your 20 cars, or sell some of them.

No issue. 

[Ritchie Stones]

6 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

No one needs 20 cars, you wanted 20 cars. Now you have a goal to upgrade your 20 cars, or sell some of them.

No issue. 

I cant sell credit cars. And the refund on a 16500 credit car is like 2000 or something

[Ritchie Stones]

4 hours ago, Homast said:

This reeks of Pay to Win Mentality.

Now because you have to invest IC time and money into your vehicles, you're angry? Even though the previous IC cost was given back to you to reinvest into your vehicle?

If you don't want to deal with the bill of 20 cars, Simply don't. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade your cars. Upgrade the one or two you use the most and go on with things, Unless you mean to tell me you actively use all 20 vehicles every day plus the other cars you might have bought using IC cash....
 

Also before you say anything like “pay to win” understand that it is because of people like me YOU get to play to. Do you even understand how much it cost to run a server like this a month? 

[alexalex303]

3 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

Also before you say anything like “pay to win” understand that it is because of people like me YOU get to play to. Do you even understand how much it cost to run a server like this a month? 

It doesn't matter how much it costs, you should not obtain in-game advantages for real money on a roleplay server. If I wanted people with more money to be better than me, I'd go outside. This is a video game, play to win is understood to be bad in all video games.

https://streamable.com/xj5k9e

[Ritchie Stones]

1 minute ago, alexalex303 said:

It doesn't matter how much it costs, you should not obtain in-game advantages for real money on a roleplay server. If I wanted people with more money to be better than me, I'd go outside. This is a video game, play to win is understood to be bad in all video games.

https://streamable.com/xj5k9e

Moraly i think your right. But then what do you expect ? The devs to pay up for all of this so that we can play for free ? I think the basics alone is 300-500 a month for the server. In lithuania people maybe make like 800 a month (i cant confirm) there is no way that is sustainable. So the server actualy needs people to donate. And people wont do that “just out of goodwill either” there has to be something in return for that to work. 

[alexalex303]

25 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

Moraly i think your right. But then what do you expect ? The devs to pay up for all of this so that we can play for free ? I think the basics alone is 300-500 a month for the server. In lithuania people maybe make like 800 a month (i cant confirm) there is no way that is sustainable. So the server actualy needs people to donate. And people wont do that “just out of goodwill either” there has to be something in return for that to work. 

And there is, VIP is already crazy strong and its a monthly subscription. The server does not cost 500 euros a month for upkeep. 

[Suken]

1 hour ago, Ritchie Stones said:

Also before you say anything like “pay to win” understand that it is because of people like me YOU get to play to. Do you even understand how much it cost to run a server like this a month? 

To be honest, this comment ended all your arguments. 

simple calculation (valuing each super you listed at 20m (which isn't the price ) and the rest of the cars at stock price )

you have cars worth 187,1m and you are complaining that you bought them with credits.

You should have grinded 187,1m instead of paying credits if thats the case.
You already have advantages to increase your wealth 180m+, so I think that is worth the credits you paid.

You buy the cars with credit stock and you have it nothing changed about that

Edited November 7, 2025 by Suken

[Aezeryst]

Just my 2 cents, people buy cars with credits because THEY KNOW they can upgrade them

with the new update, people are left with multiple multi millionaire cars they can't afford to upgrade (at least not every one). Now whilst I honestly think it's a good thing more expensive cars are gonna cost more to invest in, I don't think it's fair that people who bought cars with irl money under the pretense that they can fully mod it are now completely unavailable to do so making the cars they bought with real money worthless to them or not worth the investment. Admins and Devs berating these people with "oh you spent the money already too bad deal with it"(paraphrasing) is a  magnificently massive reflection of just exactly how toxic this community has become. Would it hurt to take into consideration exactly the problem that's been caused?

I don't know, or have studied economics but making people pay real money with the promise that they can financially invest in the car ic just to change it so that they can no longer invest seems real scummy. Whilst I don't believe that was the intention, any admin or dev denying refunds or compensation are nowhere near a moral light in my opinion as of now.

Fact is this update was completely unprecedented when people were buying multimillionaire cars before the update and people just want to get rid of them for the credits they bought them with in the 1st place. I don't see how wanting to get rid of a pay 2 win car is pay 2 win

Keep in mind that I'm saying all this where my most expensive vehicle is the dominator GT and I never bought credits

Edited November 7, 2025 by Aezeryst

[Aezeryst]

Oh and also these people who are paying yall for credits are literally the reason you can even afford to update the server so the irony is unreal when you turn their back on them and give them the middle finger

[KongouPak]

13 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said:

i cant find the right words to put in perspective about the way i feel
i had just read a comment from @Osvaldon into panel suggestions about the HSW being included in credit vehicles. 
and though i do appreciate that resolution, i am still suffering 
19 credit vehicles of the 20, since i only have 1 credit hsw vehicle, i either need to make a choice, coughing up millions in game.
or have my almost 376000 credits going to waste
(credit prices vary through the years) so i am losing 1000s of euros here that i have put in the server over the past 5 years,

i dont understand how i can be let down like this, and this is for me a lot to take, i love the server i love the people in it,
but im sitting here on some deep mixed feelings right now.
and i dont really know what to say.
can this please be looked into ???? i cant be the only one having to suffer this big right ?  
 

As someone kind of in the same boat, I understand where you're coming from. I would like a chance to refund some of these credit cars as I also would not have gotten them if I knew I had to spend 360k to upgrade a sultan RS, much less the millions some of these other cars cost that I never bothered with. However it is just much better for the server in the long haul as a lot of the cars this really affects were only ever purchased because of their performance, not just cause people liked the cars themselves. I don't think you're asking too much to just be able to refund the cars you're not going to use as it wouldn't cost the server anything. There's already an option to refund a credit car within 1 day of getting it. I know that option also gives the money back on mods you spent on the car but if I'm reading correctly I don't think you or anyone is asking for that, just the ability to refund the cars you simply won't/can't do anything with anymore due to changes you didn't really have a say in.

[Ritchie Stones]

1 hour ago, KongouPak said:

As someone kind of in the same boat, I understand where you're coming from. I would like a chance to refund some of these credit cars as I also would not have gotten them if I knew I had to spend 360k to upgrade a sultan RS, much less the millions some of these other cars cost that I never bothered with. However it is just much better for the server in the long haul as a lot of the cars this really affects were only ever purchased because of their performance, not just cause people liked the cars themselves. I don't think you're asking too much to just be able to refund the cars you're not going to use as it wouldn't cost the server anything. There's already an option to refund a credit car within 1 day of getting it. I know that option also gives the money back on mods you spent on the car but if I'm reading correctly I don't think you or anyone is asking for that, just the ability to refund the cars you simply won't/can't do anything with anymore due to changes you didn't really have a say in.

Maybe il take the option to refund half of my cars, without losing my legendary status ofcourse and a refund on the money i have in the remaining mods still on those cars. Im still not feeling great about it though. For me spending so donating so much money to then be set back so badly. It feels like a punishment and many people feel this way. For me now i wil for sure think twice before getting another credit vehicle ofcourse that only makes sence. I have made a few threads. But they are getring closed legt and right   

[Earl Mud]

4 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

It doesn't matter how much it costs, you should not obtain in-game advantages for real money on a roleplay server. If I wanted people with more money to be better than me, I'd go outside. This is a video game, play to win is understood to be bad in all video games.

https://streamable.com/xj5k9e

That is correct but they were sold as such and people bought them with that understanding. You dont sell something with that intention then change terms without a refund option. If you spend irl money with an understanding how much IC work will be needed to get it where you want it and that changes then yeah people gonna be mad. Imagine if the apartments people paid credits for decided later we are taking away your parking spots and making you pay more to get them back. Its the same principle. I just gonna stop bringing it up. It doesn't affect me as I dont have any of these cars with hsw and I was just trying to speak up and advocate for the little player base we have left and those that have spent a lot of money on the server who want to leave cause of this. I got banned from the discord for mentioning this so theres no point in advocating anymore. I will just play the game and when concerns come up I will just turn a blind eye since bringing them up can cause so much vitriol from anyone not affected.

Edited November 7, 2025 by Earl Mud

[Osvaldon]

15 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said:

i cant find the right words to put in perspective about the way i feel
i had just read a comment from @Osvaldon into panel suggestions about the HSW being included in credit vehicles. 
and though i do appreciate that resolution, i am still suffering 
19 credit vehicles of the 20, since i only have 1 credit hsw vehicle, i either need to make a choice, coughing up millions in game.
or have my almost 376000 credits going to waste
(credit prices vary through the years) so i am losing 1000s of euros here that i have put in the server over the past 5 years,

i dont understand how i can be let down like this, and this is for me a lot to take, i love the server i love the people in it,
but im sitting here on some deep mixed feelings right now.
and i dont really know what to say.
can this please be looked into ???? i cant be the only one having to suffer this big right ?  


LIST of cars + most recent credits cost.

VSTR 8000
rebla 7000
jubilee 5500
patriot 7000
dragur 8000
10F 15 000
windsor 4500
italy GTO 25 000
torros 16 500
ETR1 11 500
paragon S 16 500
coquette D10. 25 000
italy RSX 25 000
nero costum 25 000
kamacho 8000
IGNUS 50 000
X80 proto 50 000
sentinel GTS 11 500
gauntlet hellfire 7000
niobe 50 000

total = 376.000 credits 

as you can see there is only one HSW vehicle. the cost for me is going to be very extreme to be able to use those cars again the way i used to.