Drivebying in a heli NonRP

[Nettz]

If drivebying and circling in a car is NonRP makes sense to me that circling in a heli during an active shootout and while being shot at would also be classified as  NonRP

[Hubie]

+1 happens anytime a bullet is fired in a cop's direction.

[Billy Valentine]

+1 
Yes nuttz !
Arguably circling a shootout in a helicopter is more life threatening than circling a shootout in a car. How a gunner in a helicopter is positioned they quite literally have nothing to cover them, the only thing saving a person being fired upon whilst inside a helicopter is Body Armor and issues with bullets syncing on contact.

You also often just see helicopters hover out of bullet reg distance with snipers hanging out the side in order to gain an extreme tactical advantage.
Once a helicopter is fired upon by a deadly force they should be forced to spectate from a long distance without a gunner hanging out the side with a sniper or they leave the area completely !
It's quite ridiculous how helicopters get abused nowadays and nothing has been done.
 

[Demonmit1]

13 hours ago, Nettz said:

If drivebying and circling in a car is NonRP

im not familiar with this, is there a report this happened in?
 

12 hours ago, Billy Valentine said:

Arguably circling a shootout in a helicopter is more life threatening than circling a shootout in a car.

They're both risky actions to take. I hate to reiterate whats commonly said by other LEO mains, but situations that escalate to requiring a gunship escalate to that because its a reaction to whats happening on the ground. If a gang is going to barricade themselves in an area with heavy weaponry like like machineguns and assault rifles, law enforcement are going to respond with overwhelming force.

I agree, whether its a gunship or just a patrol helicopter, if you're taking rounds or getting shot at, the pilot should be expected to back off and reengage from a different area or give it some time to return. Shooting from a helicopter isnt and shouldnt be considered nonRP, but Helicopters should still be expected to follow FearRP rules, but staff have decided helicopters are immune to fearRP, which is a bad decision imo.

Edited June 13, 2025 by Demonmit1

[Rage.]

2 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

im not familiar with this, is there a report this happened in?

it is FRP to drive into an active shootout more than once without the intent of providing cover or fleeing with it

+1 to the original suggestion anyways, shits getting annoying

Edited June 13, 2025 by Rage.

[CharlesXiao]

2 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

im not familiar with this, is there a report this happened in?

It's happened a few times within the last 6 or so months but went un-reported due to it not being very clear in the rulebook. Alongside that I know many like myself, rather speak to the person than have to deal with these passive aggressive forum reports.

 

+1 to the original suggestion. Alongside that, I think it should be ruled that when Heli's abuse the servers max shooting distance (excluding snipers) that it should be ruled as NON-RP or DSO. Flying to a certain height to abuse server/game mechanics bc you cant be shot by a rifle or pistol but can still shoot back via sniper just doesn't make sense.

 

I'm only brainstorming here and please correct me if this is already added. What if the devs can calculate the actual distance you need to be from the ground for bullets not to reach. Then add a gauge on your screen when flying the heli so when you do reach a height that is out of range your able to tell based on the grounds level compared to heli height. 

[Phantas]

Have you tried reporting it Nuts? I've reported an officer for driveby tazing in a helicopter before and the rp got reset.

[Jordan]

You get zero recoil in a heli btw! 

+1

[CharlesXiao]

42 minutes ago, Jordan said:

You get zero recoil in a heli btw! 

+10

[Billy Valentine]

12 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

They're both risky actions to take. I hate to reiterate whats commonly said by other LEO mains, but situations that escalate to requiring a gunship escalate to that because its a reaction to whats happening on the ground. If a gang is going to barricade themselves in an area with heavy weaponry like like machineguns and assault rifles, law enforcement are going to respond with overwhelming force.

I can some what understand why cops bring out gunships and I do know that they don't bring them out for every single situation but, that being said, considering the sync when it comes to shooting a helicopter, bullets might be hitting the gunner but the gunner themselves wont actually be taking all the damage considering it is a flying object that they are moving in. The sync on the server is very widely and commonly know to not be the best at times and I can assure you then when it comes to shooting a gunner in a helicopter, it is bad.

I think the biggest problem is gun ships hovering out of the bullet reach distance of normal guns with sniper rifles.
For those who do not understand that statement, when shooting a normal gun such as a , service carbine, carbine rifle, assault rifle and so on, the bullets only travel a certain distance before they do no damage and essentially disappear. When it comes to using a sniper rifle, because of most of them having a zoomable scope or a zoomed in scope by default, it tricks the game into thinking the gun is being fired from a closer location that it actually is.

To make it short, rifle and pistol bullets can travel a distance 100m we will say, while sniper bullets can travel 150m. Obviously these distances are not accurate but that is just a representation.

[Skiperz]

The idea is nice, but I am not really sure what's the issue if cops are flying up high with a sniper rifle or a marksman rifle and shooting down. These weapons obv got the longer range, and scope, thus the advantage. Also, just as we all know; cops operate on a different scale compared to criminals. I see no issue with cops using heli as a gunship when situations call for it. If bullets don't reach, then bullets don't reach. Otherwise, it'd be NRP to have weapons of different ranges, fire rates and damage.

But just to be clear, this suggestion is for everyone, right? Not just a "we lost to cops and now we are salty" but more of a "we want to see an improvement". I mean, ..... Crims shouldn't be doing it too, right? (more footage) or We can use it, but others not? aside from the 2 mins crash course on flying

 

I'd say -1, cops got their equipment on a different grade than us crim to use on situations deemed necessary. Maybe a rethink on the gunship approach and how frequent it is used if people feel it is too much as I personally have never encountered a gunship. Or simply don't create situations where LEOs have the need to use the gunship.

Edited June 14, 2025 by Skiperz

[CalvinKlein]

1 hour ago, Skiperz said:

The idea is nice, but I am not really sure what's the issue if cops are flying up high with a sniper rifle or a marksman rifle and shooting down. These weapons obv got the longer range, and scope, thus the advantage. Also, just as we all know; cops operate on a different scale compared to criminals. I see no issue with cops using heli as a gunship when situations call for it. If bullets don't reach, then bullets don't reach. Otherwise, it'd be NRP to have weapons of different ranges, fire rates and damage.

But just to be clear, this suggestion is for everyone, right? Not just a "we lost to cops and now we are salty" but more of a "we want to see an improvement". I mean, ..... Crims shouldn't be doing it too, right? (more footage) or We can use it, but others not? aside from the 2 mins crash course on flying

 

I'd say -1, cops got their equipment on a different grade than us crim to use on situations deemed necessary. Maybe a rethink on the gunship approach and how frequent it is used if people feel it is too much as I personally have never encountered a gunship. Or simply don't create situations where LEOs have the need to use the gunship.

this situation was an anomaly, not a normal/regular thing

[alexalex303]

Recent suggestions seemingly keep being aimed towards making it easier to fight cops, but that should never be the goal, as you're not meant to be regularly wiping cops.

Aside from the fact that most of the people in this thread had a crim heli that they used to do the same thing with;

if law enforcement can't use helicopters, then will you find it better if they start using insurgents with mounted weapons? 

Regardless of the vehicle used, there needs to be an answer to people trying to wipe cops with MG MK IIs and 200 AP. 

Edited June 14, 2025 by alexalex303

[CalvinKlein]

3 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

Recent suggestions seemingly keep being aimed towards making it easier to fight cops, but that should never be the goal, as you're not meant to be regularly wiping cops.

Aside from the fact that most of the people in this thread had a crim heli that they used to do the same thing with;

if law enforcement can't use helicopters, then will you find it better if they start using insurgents with mounted weapons? 

Regardless of the vehicle used, there needs to be an answer to people trying to wipe cops with MG MK IIs and 200 AP. 

You keep mentioning 200 APs, do you realize there is NO 200APs, they were given, and INSTANTLY taken back, with 0 people allowed to use them.

Combat MG Mk IIs are thankfully removed from imports too.

I don't know if you just like rage baiting on every thread at this point but those are getting funny bro

Edited June 14, 2025 by CalvinKlein

[alexalex303]

3 hours ago, CalvinKlein said:

You keep mentioning 200 APs, do you realize there is NO 200APs, they were given, and INSTANTLY taken back, with 0 people allowed to use them.

Combat MG Mk IIs are thankfully removed from imports too.

200APs were not removed instantly. I was part of at least one shootout in which gangs used them. 

Combat MG MK IIs might be removed from imports but they will be available for years due to insane stashes people have. A certain gang shot at cops at colorful parking this week with MG MK IIs.

Edited June 14, 2025 by alexalex303

[CalvinKlein]

3 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

200APs were not removed instantly. I was part of at least one shootout in which gangs used them. 

Combat MG MK IIs might be removed from imports but they will be available for years due to insane stashes people have. A certain gang shot at cops at colorful parking this week with MG MK IIs.

If someone is using 200AP, make a report, they were given by FM, and instantly they decided nope, can't use em, need that back. 

I keep seeing 200AP 200AP, the max AP accessible is 100, any other special stuff was instantly retracted, if someone slipped one or something and is using it, that's against the rules.

Yeah coming from the era of only Micro SMG, AK, Shotgun,.

having shit like combat MG Mk II felt weird for me,. but if a gang used it so what, you'll still beat them you got 200+ members, they got 30 if they're all online, and you have your own combat MG MK IIs, also not everyone has them, I fought that same gang many times and not everyday every one of them has one.

Also years is crazy imo I feel like they'll be done way before

[Nettz]

8 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

Recent suggestions seemingly keep being aimed towards making it easier to fight cops, but that should never be the goal, as you're not meant to be regularly wiping cops.

In no way shape or form when I was making this suggestion was it aimed at making it easier to fight cops, I would just like to see the same FearRP/NonRP rules applied to helicopters as it's already implemented for ground vehicles.

[CharlesXiao]

8 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

Recent suggestions seemingly keep being aimed towards making it easier to fight cops, but that should never be the goal, as you're not meant to be regularly wiping cops.

Aside from the fact that most of the people in this thread had a crim heli that they used to do the same thing with;

if law enforcement can't use helicopters, then will you find it better if they start using insurgents with mounted weapons? 

Regardless of the vehicle used, there needs to be an answer to people trying to wipe cops with MG MK IIs and 200 AP. 

With all due respect Jason. The original post wasn't just targeted towards cops.... Crims have also used a hood gunship. The suggestion was made for literally anyone who owns or has access to a heli. 

I think you're confused though, you can still use you amazing heli. The change is just stating that once you get shot at, your gunner has no cover. Basically a free 100-150ap for the heli's health bar. Sure you can fly up and get out of gun range but IMO that's NON-RP although its not an official rule.

Tbh idk why you put this insurgent on here. Which in the past has been used and actually killed me twice years ago. 

Now for your last sentence, like some have said already the 200 aps were out for maybe 12 hours before FM took them back. Along with that Combat MG MK2s will slowly dwindle in use since they cannot be imported. With the trash bin "aka PD/SD illegal lockers" A bunch will be sent there never to be seen again. Just give it some time.

[surg3yy]

2 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

200APs were not removed instantly. I was part of at least one shootout in which gangs used them. 

Combat MG MK IIs might be removed from imports but they will be available for years due to insane stashes people have. A certain gang shot at cops at colorful parking this week with MG MK IIs.

There was a 10 hour period where you could used them. This thing you do where you blatantly lie and exaggerate to bate crims to argue so staff take the reports down is crazy. Also I ask how are you sure that the person you fought had 200 ap? with out there pov of the situation to know this as a fact well there is only one way I can think off. Anyways  +1 to the suggestion know group pd or crim should be allowed to have no recoils gun ships that desync and can just drop ppl like bugs.

[AnakinB]

11 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

Aside from the fact that most of the people in this thread had a crim heli that they used to do the same thing with;

Hey im the person your talking about, I agree with this thread, shooting should be disabled from helicopters, shit was ridiculous.