City Bees always accessible

[penguinkibble]

I think there should be more city bee spawn locations and they should always be accessible, whether a taxi driver is logged in or not. 
 

I’m not sure if the Taxi drivers are the biggest salary farmers on the server, or if they just ignore calls, but the amount of times I’ve needed to get somewhere and can’t because I’m unable to rent a city bee is ridiculous. So you call a taxi, and even though there’s a driver online, you’ll sit there for 15 minutes without the driver accepting it and just end up walking. 
 

I understand the idea of wanting us to utilize taxi drivers for the RP opportunities, but unfortunately the taxi company is too unreliable to keep up with the demand and forces players to walk as they can’t rent city bees 

[Bobbias Willis]

+1, I'm blacklisted from DCC in game, so I be having to walk a lot of places.

[Ritchie Stones]

Make it a diamont vip thing 

[Ritchie Stones]

5 hours ago, Bobbias Willis said:

+1, I'm blacklisted from DCC in game, so I be having to walk a lot of places.

Well..im not and i have to walk a lot of spaces to, its not just you

[vZelfeR]

I +1 this but actually only for Players with the [NEW PLAYER] tag; I see a lot of new players having to walk because they can't afford a taxi or cant afford a repair. Feel for them it would be good until they get funds to afford a taxi or mechanic services, especially when they're learning the game and server

Nevermind the New Player thing is already implemented

-1

Edited June 11, 2025 by vZelfeR
Idea already in place

[SpinalShank]

-1

I work for dcc and when you're one taxi driver with 5 requests waiting its first come first serve.

Plenty of times ive seen a call come in while currently with a customer. Then that person gets a little impatient, moves too far then i get another request from a new customer, while im taking that call, the impatient request makes another and they repeat this loop and wonder why i never get them.

Bus routes exist as well now.

Gain some Patience, your own vehicles, friends, or get to walking. City bee being fully available would crush taxi rp

I would agree new players should be given free pass on this 

[Danny_V]

-1

convenience kills roleplay.
If everyone was able to grab a CitiBee at all times, DCC would be dead within weeks. 
There would be abandoned citibees strewn across the state and noone would ever need to call a cab ever again.

 

[Earl Mud]

+1 

Sometimes no taxis are around and no one you know is in the city so time to boot 45 min walking sim. 

[Demonmit1]

On 6/8/2025 at 6:44 PM, SpinalShank said:

City bee being fully available would crush taxi rp

DCC crushes taxi RP. the faction is anemic at this point, most members log on during low pop time to afk salary, no one is ever available during peak hours when theres actually players wanting to use the service, and faction leadership actively encourage afking salary, and discourage RP. should just be a freelance job at this point. if people could just join a freelance job and drive a taxi, availability would be through the roof.

 

On 6/9/2025 at 9:27 AM, Danny_V said:

convenience kills roleplay.

Wild to actually admit DCC is so inconvenient to the playerbase.

Edited June 11, 2025 by Demonmit1

[DovahkiinJen]

I don't agree with them available all the time, but buses aren't around much and shouldn't affect if i can get a city-bee or not. I agree with Demonmit1 DCC should be a freelance job but it never will be because the faction exists.  They also need wayyyy more spawn points, it's really bad. 

Edited June 11, 2025 by DovahkiinJen

[jorben jackson]

+1 Agree entirely with Demonmit1 couldnt have said it better myself. Its crazy that in my timezone I have to walk from DOC to the city to do anything because there is ONE singular taxi AFK salary farming.

[JWIT1]

On 6/8/2025 at 3:49 PM, vZelfeR said:

I +1 this but actually only for Players with the [NEW PLAYER] tag; I see a lot of new players having to walk because they can't afford a taxi or cant afford a repair. Feel for them it would be good until they get funds to afford a taxi or mechanic services, especially when they're learning the game and server

Unless this has recently been changed.  New players can take out CityBee's at any time, even if there are Taxi Drivers on faction duty.

[vZelfeR]

2 hours ago, JWIT1 said:

Unless this has recently been changed.  New players can take out CityBee's at any time, even if there are Taxi Drivers on faction duty.

Thanks for the info, it’s good to know!!

Ill change my +1 to a -1 then! I’ll remove my separate suggestion for that then as well, as it’s redundant! 

[alexalex303]

If I'm not mistaken, DCC allows management to conduct interviews on-duty even if they're the only unit(s) on-duty, that means that they will be blocking city bee access while not providing transportation services. Unless that rule is changed, I believe we could look at increasing the amount of DCC units required for city bees to be unavailable. 

[NinerTwoGolf]

Hey so gonna give a little peak under the hood for DCC cause I see a lot of.. well misinformation.

To start broadly, the taxi app lies to you all. It lies to you in a big way. I go into more detail in the thread talking about it here:

But TL,DR: The app will only take a driver off the 'Free Drivers' list in between the time they accept a request, and when the arrive on location to the request. It then marks them as a free driver, despite the fact you will obviously have a customer now and are clearly not free. This is especially bad when you have customers going to or from Paleto cause that is a multi minute journey. This is automated, we have zero control over this as a driver. It also gets confusing when we do our buddy up days and the system will count one cab as two drivers in the system.

As for salary farming, we crack down that on all the time. No one in the management team likes one person sandbagging while everyone else pulls their weight. As management, I've told people to get off their ass and take a call multiple times.

We do have a strict system that allows drivers to take a small break without clocking off. This is hard capped at 5 minutes and because of how we do it, it can be seen by on and off duty personnel. This is strictly enforced by management and LFM. This is in place so that we don't have to drive all the way to DCC, do our RP to clock off, actually clock off, for something as simple as use the bathroom or get a drink. Abusing of this has led to members being removed from the faction. It's something we religiously enforce because it is privilege that was provided to use by the server staff, not a right.

At the end of day, if you notice drivers that are actively AFK, Salary Farming, not doing their jobs, put in a report. We had a member receive a warning because someone put in a report and an admin caught them.

Get their plate and a time stamp and put in a formal complaint on the biz site. With those we can check logs with LFM and figure out who exactly it was.

As for some specific quotes:

On 5/29/2025 at 1:11 PM, Bobbias Willis said:

I'm blacklisted from DCC in game, so I be having to walk a lot of places.

Actions, meet consequences.

5 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

faction leadership actively encourage afking salary, and discourage RP

This is categorically false. Management hands out warning all the time due to lack of RP. We also crack down when we catch people who haven't taken a call in a while and we do not 'actively encourage' AFKing because LFM would put our nuts in a vice for violating server rules.

52 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

DCC allows management to conduct interviews on-duty even if they're the only unit(s) on-duty,

Not true. We are told the exact opposite to do that. Management will have entire meetings with no one on duty if there are no drivers or a low number of drivers available. I've had to turn away interviewees unfortunately because we just didn't have the coverage for me to conduct an interview.

On 6/8/2025 at 1:44 PM, SpinalShank said:

Plenty of times ive seen a call come in while currently with a customer. Then that person gets a little impatient, moves too far then i get another request from a new customer, while im taking that call, the impatient request makes another and they repeat this loop and wonder why i never get them.

This, this, this. It happens all the time. If you aren't on the black list we will get to you, it might just take some time depending on the requests. Moving around and spamming the request is only going to end up putting you higher on the wait list.

Edited June 11, 2025 by NinerTwoGolf

[Demonmit1]

22 minutes ago, NinerTwoGolf said:

This is categorically false. Management hands out warning all the time due to lack of RP. We also crack down when we catch people who haven't taken a call in a while and we do not 'actively encourage' AFKing because LFM would put our nuts in a vice for violating server rules.

I specifically was told by management, "just sit in your car and watch videos on your phone, you're not allowed to interact with people." didnt stick around in the faction much longer than that. Driving Taxi was actually a lot of fun but anything beyond afk salary farming at the three designated parking spots alt-tabbed out was punished by DCC faction leadership. I specifically would clock off anytime management showed up just cause of how stupid it was.

Devs should offer a freelance Taxi job, and let DCC do their own thing as they please for however long they last till they follow along with LSC and get disbanded or figure out how to fix their staffing issues and allow players to RP in the faction.

 

never got a response. was fired not long after.

Edited June 11, 2025 by Demonmit1

[NinerTwoGolf]

1 hour ago, Demonmit1 said:

"just sit in your car and watch videos on your phone, you're not allowed to interact with people."

I have no idea which of our management team would say that, and the context or situation something like that could be said. If you are being actively told to salary farm by management member, report that to command or LFM.

Edited June 11, 2025 by NinerTwoGolf

[SpinalShank]

On 6/11/2025 at 12:01 AM, Demonmit1 said:

I specifically was told by management, "just sit in your car and watch videos on your phone, you're not allowed to interact with people." didnt stick around in the faction much longer than that. Driving Taxi was actually a lot of fun but anything beyond afk salary farming at the three designated parking spots alt-tabbed out was punished by DCC faction leadership. I specifically would clock off anytime management showed up just cause of how stupid it was.

ive worked there a long time and much of what you have said seems contrast to what ive experienced. afk farming is not a thing i see often in dcc. and those that do dont last long because they get caught. I find it very disheartening that your solution is to disband dcc altogether. by your own words you didnt even stick around to find out the true nature because an ill informed manager gave you incorrect direction, and for that im truly sorry.

ive agreed with you on many takes youve had in other areas of the server. but i wholeheartedly disagree on this one. at least with your assessment and solution for it

[Demonmit1]

39 minutes ago, SpinalShank said:

I find it very disheartening that your solution is to disband dcc altogether.

I really do get it. DCC core members are incredibly tight nit and y'all put in serious amounts of time and effort to have regular internal events is probably the best I've seen on the server from my varied experience across from, civ, crim, and Leo characters. I've been in SD, JB, Weazel, Bayview, Benny's and DCC.

 

But, the issue with DCC is that overall this is a videogame that people play mostly for cops vs crims, and DCC is intended to provide a service, but through IC regulations, OOC faction rules, and how the scripts propping up DCC work, the faction as a whole is entirely inconvenient to the player base. DCC is entirely only held up cause the script for taxi service is only supporting DCC. A freelance taxi job option being available with the same script functionality would kill DCC in it's current form, and overall would increase availability and convenience for the general playerbase. DCC could potentially still function as a salaried option, but the extremely overbearing IC/OOC rules and expectations heavily discourage players from joining or sticking around. DCC takes itself too seriously, honesty more seriously than law enforcement does. If DCC heavily cut back on restrictions, more people would have an interest in applying and sticking around, taxi service would be more available, and the playerbase woulnt need to be making forum posts brainstorming ways to substitute things because of DCCs failure to function as a service. 

 

When there's 5+ taxis at 5-7am NA times when the server pop is at 60-80 players standing around on duty talking amongst themselves or sitting in their taxis alt tabbed out at the bank, but during peak hours when there's 200-300 people on the server 12 hours later and there's only one on duty driver blocking every player from accessing citybees, the faction has failed its core function, and has been for a long time now, a negative impact on the server as a whole.

 

Edited June 15, 2025 by Demonmit1