Hiding of a gun.

[TheRealFixer]

Hi everyone,

My character was arrested for having a gun on his back, the suggestion I want to make is that, doing the RP to hide a weapon in your waistband if it is small enough to do so. Should it or should it not be allowed? Realistically speaking, you don't have a gun that just magically floats on your back, for you to have a gun in that position IRL, it would have to be in your waistband, which we would be able to do using RP, then it would be expected for you to timestamp it and screenshot the RP for proof if you get pulled over. I am not trying to make a scummy suggestion just thinking logically in real life situations, furthermore a way to it further would be to use a bag to hide anything.

I personally believe this makes more sense then relying on a item of clothing to fully block the view of the gun. Personally I will be doing this from now on anyway.

[Bala]

Too many people lie with stuff for it to be a purely roleplay thing and having to go through the process of verifying someone's RP everytime someone has hidden a gun wouldn't work.

That said, being able to hide it and show it in your inventory would be fine if it took longer for you to pull it out, perhaps with a /me that you are reaching into your waistband to alert nearby people you are reaching for a gun.

[alexalex303]

I concur with Bala, an honor system unfortunately does not work -- I've had several very experienced players lie in /do recently about contents of their person and/or vehicle, in order to avoid arrest. 

I would not be opposed to hiding your weapon via script, if it took longer to take out versus just having it on your back. 

[SquirtleSquad]

8 hours ago, TheRealFixer said:

Realistically speaking, you don't have a gun that just magically floats on your back, for you to have a gun in that position IRL, it would have to be in your waistband, which we would be able to do using RP, then it would be expected for you to timestamp it and screenshot the RP for proof if you get pulled over.

So the thing here is you're aiming to have this be an RP thing for LEO's to abide by, but what about for crims? With crim RP, it's a lot more fast paced than with LEO, who will be a bit more patient to handle waiting for a Discord PM with a screenshot. That said, it's going to just open up a mess of issues. I'd prefer it, as others have already said, this to be done via a script, but without that integration, I don't think /me tucks gun in waistband, /do it be hidden, /time will be sufficient for a lot more RP that you'll come into having a gun vs that with LEO's.

That's just my 2 cents worth.

[Dima]

Long time ago I got pulled over by SD the deputy came to the car doing his rp. He started with the basic question than hits me with would he see any weapons/ smell of any weed. Me and boy asked in /b would the glovebox count realistically would always be closed etc. For us asking that to them was due the inventory button and glovebox on the same key. He got pissed said still does but how scriptly I get but other than that just unfair. But also the /melow don’t help above your head then all law enforcement PG from that even tho all windows up they see you from the back of car and all windows tinted.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Dima

[Eliza]

Hiding guns with RP would cause too many issues in the current system. We currently use a system of “if you see a gun you see a gun”, and this would cause so many complications trying to do RP, for example, a LEO sees someone with a gun, does an entire investigation, and they decide to do an arrest, how are they meant to initially know you are hiding it? Same thing goes for crim v crim situations like robberies.

[Quietthecutie]

This was a discussion a while ago, an idea that smaller calibre pistols could be scriptly hidden to give them a purpose as the meta back then was everyone used .50s, for everything. it being the most powerful pistol, easily obtainable at a reasonable cost. there was no reason to use anything else.

This has somewhat been addressed with FM2.0. now lower tier pistols are used because they are easier to obtain for lower tier factions.

With regards to the realisim argument, yeah realistically you could hide some pistols stuffed down your waistband, and I dont hate the idea of there being a "waistband" clothing slot in your inventory where you could store one small calibre pistol. 

However, this is a videogame, and as Eliza said, the current system works because it is clear and obvious when someone is armed. if suddenly anyone could potentially have a gun hidden on their person, this would have so many knock-on effects in RP that I dont think we are considering.

For example. it would slow all police interactions to an absolute crawl. as cops would have no way of verifying someone is unarmed once they step out of their vehicles unless they are able to search them. they will always have to assume they are. this would make them play a lot safer, wait for more backup, draw their own weapons more frequently.

From a crim perspective, DM rights, escalation, and robbery would all be affected, and again, not in a positive way. there would be a lot more guesswork and a lot less clearly defined situations.

I think the current ruleset is a lot clearer and a lot easier for a RP server to function on. If you dont see a gun on someones back/hip and they are not carrying a bag, you know they are unarmed and the RP can flow freely with a lot less second guessing.

[Demonmit1]

23 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

With regards to the realisim argument, yeah realistically you could hide some pistols stuffed down your waistband, and I dont hate the idea of there being a "waistband" clothing slot in your inventory where you could store one small calibre pistol. 

lot of baggy clothing / hoodies / other stuff visually hides several of the pistols.
BUT, say a select few, could have this new mechanic to give them a usecase, as outside of the heavy revolver mkII or the .50 pistol, nothing else is regularly used.

if the SNS, SNS mk2, and Ceramic were all allowed to be easily concealable, it would increase the use of these weapons in RP focused scenarios, and give a real use to these rather low end pistols.

[TheRealFixer]

I agree with all the comments, I still RP hiding it and pulling it out of my waistband. As to how would LEO's detect a gun, like everyone else could. Patting someone down doing a physical pat of someone, you would be able to feel a bulge at the back of someone's clothing.

As to the current system, myself personally I don't think it is realistic. If there are systems that can improve that I don't know as I have never developed a RageMP server myself. I have only ever worked on FiveM servers.

This was mention from my part due to the fact that if you are keeping it realistic, a gun does no float on someone's back, to support the weight of the gun it would have to be stored in a waistband like you would in real life. So it would not been seen.

I am not saying this to bash ECRP as I don't know what is able to be done and what not able to be done. Just trying to see if there are any ways to improve things to keep things as realistic as possible and appreciate any comments.

 

Thanks

[jdotmo]

yeah it would need to be scriptly for sure. Something like /hideweapon with like a 3 or 5 second action timer would be dope. And of course another action timer to unhide. 

[UseroneGaming]

On 12/28/2024 at 9:04 AM, Bala said:

Too many people lie with stuff for it to be a purely roleplay thing and having to go through the process of verifying someone's RP everytime someone has hidden a gun wouldn't work.

A gun can already be hidden with loose clothing, so this system wouldn't help with that. Besides, there's no lying in /frisk.

On 12/28/2024 at 9:04 AM, Bala said:

That said, being able to hide it and show it in your inventory would be fine if it took longer for you to pull it out, perhaps with a /me that you are reaching into your waistband to alert nearby people you are reaching for a gun.

Maybe make it sooner to pull out if it's open-carried instead of conceal-carried? The gun already takes a full second to deploy, which in a life-and-death situation quite substantial.