Make it NRP to bait police chases.

[Teenyinnit]

during my time in PD/SD I've seen a lot of people in Meta cars purely baiting police chases just for the fun of the chase.

 

realistically you wouldn't do that in real life, PD cars clearly can't keep up with you and it means the quality of roleplay diminishes to "cops vs robbers" mentality.

whilst attending a Jtac chase, there's people waiting at impound and 911 calls actively coming in, some medical. because we are engaging in these bait chases means that fewer police officers are available to actually RP and do our duties.

People with full load outs will die meaning they lose their items,
People are waiting at impounds so can't retrieve their cars and get frustrated.
RP 911 calls are being ignored so the crim who threatened a guy at burgershot now gets away with it and we arrive too late to a scene that could have been good quality.

 

I've literally had people drive up to me and say "do you want a chase" and when I say "no thanks" they begin driving erratically in front of me and this is multiple times a day.

 

in conclusion I think it should be NRP to want to get arrested as it provides no net positive for the individual if they get caught or don't get caught.

[Demonmit1]

at the end of the day, this is still a video game, not a simulation, and people want to have fun. a vast majority of players, both criminal and police, actively seek out and enjoy chases. Criminal players will bait cops, and cops will randomly follow and pressure someone driving hoping they run. There's two large illegal factions basically dedicated to racing and the thrill of running from the police, as well as dedicated divisions within law enforcement for chasing people.

Realism isnt the end goal, balanced interactions and having fun while making an interesting story is.

but you're right, that law enforcement have a tendency to drop whatever their doing and take the bait, getting every available unit online to chase down one guy for the fun of it.

example: all of SD/PD in a straight line chasing a car on the freeway...

 

Your issue is that the criminals are baiting cops, taking away roleplaying opportunities for the cops to do other things. I disagree with that. You dont solve that by making it against the rules for the criminal side to do it, you solve that by not sending every available unit against someone clearly baiting a chase. Law enforcement internal policies need to be either better enforced or changed to better balance responses to people for evading. This is a part of the "play-to-win" mentality some people complain about with LEO. they drop everything, ignore other calls, to join a chase to catch the guy who told them to fuck off and sped away.

LSSD and LSPD as factions need to figure out a way to effectively limit the number of officers responding to a specific situation unless there's more help asked for, and escalating from there.
(if you wanna talk about realism, how many millions of dollars in equipment, damage, and wages is LSPD / LSSD regularly burning to catch someone for just felony Evading?)

you want the criminal to suffer an IC consequence for baiting, but not chase them down? use the warrant report, incident report, and BOLO systems, you got the license plate of the vehicle like 90% of the time. next time that car shows up, you stop it and impound it for being involved in a felony crime. people will say no face no case, but the car was confirmed to be involved so seize the car. simple IC solution. 

Edited November 11, 2024 by Demonmit1

[SquirtleSquad]

This has been removed from the NRP ruleset due to the fact that if you're going to be a goober, and bait a chase or a reaction from LEO, then your IC actions will face IC consequences. I think that this is a smart move, as this just adds a lot more of an IC consequence and risk to baiting police, but also, can be used in favor for crims as a diversion. I think keeping it as is, where it is not considered NRP is healthy for all on both sides.

[Toxine]

This is strictly IC, there’s no OOC repercussions needed for this.

Nothing is stopping you from baiting cops in a chase IRL.

 

But what should be considered NRP is the action of involving 90% of the LEO’s online for that chase, when no crime has been committed (or at least witnessed) other than just the evading.

I’ve seen countless time, and had the displeasure of experiencing that myself, 10 cruisers + air 1 + 1/2 Shinobis chasing a car, just because they didnt stop when they got pulled over.

 

The player that requests that much back up for such a scene should receive NRP punishments, since it’s very unrealistic to use such a budget for such a minor felony. 
Especially when it involves multiple departments, that’s borderline crazy.

I would get it if shots were fired, then it’s all hands on deck. But just because someone in a La Couruese doesnt stop when pulled over, it doesn’t mean he’s the leader of the next terrorist organization. 

They didn’t pull over? Great! Chase the car

You can’t catch up? Well sucks for you, put a BOLO out and go on with your life, they’ll show up again eventually.

 

What RP are you contributing when chasing down someone? The final “/me attempts to cuff ID” and them going “/do able”.
That’s the whole RP done by PD/SD once they caught the criminal.

 

But if you follow Demonmit’s suggestion, you put a BOLO out, you involve other officers that are going to look out for said car, once the car is found you can then call mechanics to impound the vehicle, then the player needs to go back to impound to retrieve the vehicle; or even better, show up at Mission Row to ask why their vehicle got impounded.

You see the difference in RP when making simple changes?

[Cup]

Don't think this needs to be changed tbh. I think its perfectly fine as is as you can make the IC choice not to take the bait.

 

 

[tigerpet15]

I think this rule might need a change as criminal would realistically wouldnt bait a police chase just for the fun of it without some deeper RP. Ive seen youtubers who make videos of them IRL run away from cops (to RP that Id like to make it ALT RP request). The way Id make this rule would be that you cant bait LEOs without an IC motive (like diversion, deep character lore etc.) because baiting cop chase in a meta car is not realistic at all.

Id like to mention that this comes from a player who mains his crim character.

[Quietthecutie]

Honestly i dont think this should be made an ooc enforceable rule, not just for gameplay but also for the added weight this would add to the admin teams.

if every "baited" chase became a reportable scenario, not only would this restrict roleplay but it would add one more catagory of reports for the team to handle, trawl through, and decide on. and it would always be a grey area, as reported parties could lean on a dozen different factors for creating the scenario they might be chased. proving guilt would be difficult and no one would benefit. 

Ultimately i think it should be handled ICly, and if someone seems to only exist to bait chases....just dont give them the chase. leave on the grounds you have better things to do with your time as an LEO than chase a person who dosent appear to be breaking any laws besides road traffic.

[tigerpet15]

13 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

Honestly i dont think this should be made an ooc enforceable rule, not just for gameplay but also for the added weight this would add to the admin teams.

if every "baited" chase became a reportable scenario, not only would this restrict roleplay but it would add one more catagory of reports for the team to handle, trawl through, and decide on. and it would always be a grey area, as reported parties could lean on a dozen different factors for creating the scenario they might be chased. proving guilt would be difficult and no one would benefit. 

Ultimately i think it should be handled ICly, and if someone seems to only exist to bait chases....just dont give them the chase. leave on the grounds you have better things to do with your time as an LEO than chase a person who dosent appear to be breaking any laws besides road traffic.

Honestly this is only argument against it I agree with. I would never bait a police chase with my crim character because its just such a dumb idea. When you are criminal you should try to keep low unless you have big enough reason to not to do so. Another reason would be that I dont like driving the META cars and personally find them so unappealing (this might change with the new update though).

[Eliza]

Personally the way I see it, I don't think baiting chases should be considered NonRP. If you wish to be a nuisance and intentionally risk jail time, fines, a license suspension, and lose access to that car for however long the license suspension is, then go for it. If you get caught, that's at least an hour long in prison for your actions because you were "bored".

 

I'll echo what @Quietthecutie said, if someone is roleplaying as a Police Officer, and they notice somebody is just baiting a chase, chances are that they just won't give you the chase.

Edited November 24, 2024 by DontSniffSugar