Oli

+1 im poor egption

How much you payin lil bro

Nah

Two wrongs dont make a right. Creating another problem doesnt solve the problem in hand

+1 Any scene that involves PD being shot and/or 5+ criminals injured will usually take no less than 1 hour for cops to be done with cleaning up the scene, making us criminals just sit there afk waiting for this hour to finish, avoiding doing anything that may delay our transportation to DOC so we can start our jtime, this includes having a chat even as then we'll be having them chat back to us instead of finishing up the scene.

+1 -1. 2) Prices are already okay imo 3) Introducing 150 and 200 AP to crim RP will kill all crims who are low on money as they're fighting a criminal who has triple their HP, as if double wasnt enough. I'd understand using it when going against LEO, but its gonna be used everywhere, against other criminals, now making the 200 AP problem a general problem and something unavoidable.

+1

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All I'm reading is completely IC about you wanting to stick to your small group and that you hate bigger groups. Staying in your small crew is your decision, it wasnt forced upon you, so if you dont like it, work on changing it. Rest of the points are either already in place or not realistic, -1.

@fastz the great comeback

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+1

I havent tried it for myself since the adjustment but no one should consider DOC a farmville to make up for the money you lost in charges, impound fees and all that. If anything, its some activity that you can do, if you want, to lessen the loss.

Why not?

I don't get why LEO players feel the need to argue about any and everything that involves crims, and to no one's surprise they're always against it. You literally lose nothing, not 1 single bit of anything. Yet you still wanna come here and yap about crims repeating the same thing they got arrested for, what else are they supposed to do? All criminal activities require a vehicle, and as you're in a vehicle, you're always at risk of getting pulled over, evading and going to jail. License suspensions hinder criminal roleplay. People would just prefer logging off for the day rather than be a burden on their friends asking them to go there, go there, do that and once they have to go off, you just look for another friend to be a burden on.

Remind me how would that be any of your business? They cant control themselves, they get arrested and jailed. Why they do it and how they do it shouldn't bother you the least, if you think their decision making isn't realistic, report it. There's actually no way you claim the server is sided against law enforcement. Again, none of your business what they're going to do. Should I repeat it a third time?

Script also allowed ringing someone to see if he's online or not, and it was deemed wrong and was fixed so I dont get your point at all. +1 to the suggestion.

Dunno how your suggestions are always either a big W or a huge L. This one's the latter. -1.

I'm sorry to hear you get bothered and pissed off by crims lil bro. Please name me one thing that crims do that would affect your character's assets. We're not here saying it needs to be removed for the sole reason that it bothers us because to be honest, every single interaction with PD bothers us, pisses us off and ends up with hours in an OOC punishment (IC jail). I see nothing wrong with commenting on someone's "work and judgement" as LEOs do it all the time while mocking crim players' RP. You have to keep in mind that all your holy JB, your work of field officers and all crims are the same. They're players, roleplaying a character ingame.

I'm not your brother in christ.

Bro we get it, you only care the RP and you dont have a win-mentality. We know you would do your PD job even if you dont get paid cuz you love it and you're not in the server to grind assets. We also know you didnt buy the meta walkstyle cuz it runs faster but because you're ICly relaxed, we get it. We also know you spawn meta vehicles because you love how they look not because they're bulletproof. You dont need to prove yourself anymore. We also know that most stores were bought by LEOs because they're seeking more RP opps that can be done after they buy it, not because they're looking to grind more assets in an RP server. Why do people still lie about not caring for assets?

Hello. So during the discussion that Paulius had with the community on discord, a lot of points were brought up regarding how the criminal RP state have been declining over the years. We all understand how server pop affected this side specifically but I believe the main reason is that people who start new gangs, they do the same things they used to do in their previous gang, that consisted of the same group of people, just under a different name and colours, hoping to achieve something different. Something that the server does not miss is the big bad council behaviour that included taxing smaller gangs for neutrality, killing those who dont pay and just having dominancy over the criminal world. But this big bad council also did more to the server than just taxing people. The council understood that having 2 gangs in a permanent feud hurts them more than it hurts said gangs, as it brings more heat to the streets. So they used to hold meetings with all the gangs, discuss gang politics and understand why these parties have been fighting constantly everywhere on the map and such stuff. They also had situations that included all the other gangs in the server to work together against their common enemy, LEOs. And I'm not talking about night crew hunting down every cop, I'm talking about situations where they had a HC getting arrested so they would call everyone to come and free him, as afterall, they were the council. I understand that this can be worked out ICly without the intervention of "Cartel" but seeing how the server is going, I dont think its going to happen. So I'm here to suggest that Cartel start taking that role and responsibility upon themselves. Organize monthly meetings with all the gangs in the server, the small and the big ones, hear what their plans are, what do they need and such, have them meet each other and exchange names and numbers (this would create a lot of rp opps and relations). If 2 gangs have been hitting each other non-stop, everywhere in the city, instead of having FM force an NLR, why doesnt the Cartel discuss this with said gangs? And order them to stop if needed or else X and Y will be done? It was also mentioned how "events" were fun but need to have better moderation and stuff like that, why does it have to be OOC? Why does it not happen naturally ICly? For example, Cartel HC is currently getting arrested, Cartel calls and orders all the gangs to gear up to try and break him out. This wont only bring RP opps to criminals, but also to LEOs, it'll also get criminals to work together to achieve something that has no physical reward to them but it'll count as a favor, a favor that the Cartel will keep in mind the next time this gang needs a favor. There are a lot of RP opps that can be made by this. Note: as Cartel is RPly the strongest criminal organization in the server, I'd suggest having a good number of players during the meetings, whether these players be admins on different characters, doesnt even have to be actual characters that are being played, but just something to showcase how strong the Cartel is. Criminal side started dying once IC actions started having OOC consequences, this was said and mentioned by multiple official factions that set a great example for criminal factions across the years before they decided to disband and quit the server because of these actions. Long live crim rp, cheers.

Crims do respect how much time you've spent gathering all your info, the processes you go through, all the factions that take part to approve such a raid and all that lovely stuff you've mentioned. But do you respect how much time these crims spent, all the risks they go through whether that be during cooking the drugs, chopping cars, selling either of those, having an order, the possibility of it being comped by either PD or a rival faction, and all that? Cuz in all honesty, it doesnt seem like you do, at all. In previous suggestions regarding anything that goes towards PD vs crims, LEOs claim that crims can make millions grinding, assuming its easy for some reason, while they making millions sitting in a car doing nothing, caring for nothing and fearing nothing, cuz whatever happens, it doesnt affect your salary one bit. Just sitting there waiting for RP opps to show up and conduct them accordingly, which is appreciated of course. But whether these RP opps happen or not, you're still making your money, you're not taking any Ls. Crims suggesting similar suggestions like this isnt because they have a win mentality. Keeping assets isnt a W, keeping assets is not taking another L. One of so many Ls that crims take all day long whether that be by RPing with other crims or with cops. Does house raids make sense? Of course! No one is trying to deny this. But does it help the server in any way? Yay man, you got your detective RP and ruined someone else's 1 year grind! It doesnt. I personally was never raided before, so this is not coming from an OOC hatred due to IC consequences. But I do understand how demotivating it would be to any crim who's already in the losing side of the game by nature, to just get all his efforts wiped. LEOs trying to mention how many RP opps house raids can bring to the server is crazy. You think someone who just lost days, weeks and months of grinding would be sat there during the house raid plotting how he's gonna avenge this? He's not. He's gonna be writing up his good bye letter to his friends that still play the server. As previously said, crims are on the losing side by nature, they chose to do so, I dont see why LEOs insist on pushing more Ls towards criminals when they're already punished in all aspects of the server so claiming that crims have a win mentality is crazy. Crims with a win mentality (or generally tired of taking Ls) always stop playing their crim character and start maining PD/SD characters that would grant them an L-free time on the server. TL;DR: its a game, if X makes people want to quit the server, then stop doing X. Whether it makes sense or not doesnt matter. LEOs say its boring, crims hate it, so why keep it :'D No one is quitting the game if you completely remove house raids as the people who're responsible on gathering the intel and that already have other stuff to fill their time with. But that's my 100% biased, win-mentality, PVP driven, dirty criminal opinion. However, from previous experiences, we all know this aint gonna happen, IC issue. Yap yap yap.

Kicking people is too extreme. People you kick arent just going to switch characters and play crim and revive crim RP, they're gonna be demotivated and may end up quitting the server. You cant force someone to play a certain way, one that he doesnt want to play. However, I do agree that PD and SD have "more than needed" numbers, as the number of people who still play crim actively has drastically decreased over time. This makes me question why PD and SD still actively hire people when they do not need to (I may be wrong as I'm not part of their factions neither do I know their future plans!).

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