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No, we can actually see the CCTV footage. I won't go further into that as it delves into meta-gaming. We can see what happened, and make the judgement from that. I wasn't at that situation, and as I said, if you have evidence of power-gaming, please share it through the appropriate links I shared above, or make a player report. LEO's are not immune to punishment. No, I do. One of my characters is LEO, and I've been in the faction actively since end of November. That is why I am giving you this insight from my personal experiences. I've put over 1,2k hours into ECRP as LEO. I am not trying to downplay your scenario, but I am explaining that I've been involved with a lot of different RP situations. It's not always black and white, and at times it is very much black and white. I think in regards to luck, it's just unlucko, but given more time and experience in the server, you will get better at understanding it. If you're relying on vehicles to allow you to escape, yes, however, LEO's have responded to store robberies, and lost visual of a Panto. Just because a streak of bad luck happened, doesn't mean that LEO are overpowered. If you were committing crimes while I'm generally on duty, I can confirm that you'd have a much easier time. I won't explain why, as that is more meta-gaming. Everyone is taking the example of gangs way out of context. I am using them simply as an example. Gangs do not have to be official factions. They could literally be 5 people who play together. Gangs aren't just Underground, OTF, Rooks, Rising Suns, Lost MC, there's much more to them. These were just an example of large groups of people who have been successful due to coordination and understanding of peoples habits in game. Something that takes time and experience. No, that's not what I said at all. I am not discrediting your experiences. I am just saying that jumping straight into a crim position without a full understanding of some things in the server can lead you to get frustrated, confused, or potentially accusing legal factions of being abusive of their roles. I don't want you to feel mislead in this direction. We have rules and regulations in place ICly and OOCly to prevent this, as well as checks-and-balances to negate this. That's why I provided IA links here, which you can use to submit OOC reports to the correct faction departments to investigate. And I will tell you now, they take it very seriously. See above, I have 1,2k hours into ECRP. All of it was in LEO. I've been an LEO since November. I have experienced a lot, and seen a lot. Yes, there are times where things are very one sided, and that's not always in LEO's favor. Sometimes you just gotta take the L, learn, and try again. Things are checked if we have 10+ cars in pursuit of one vehicle. If there's that many and there's no reason, people are broken off to respond to other situations. If the pursuit is due to a severe threat, then they'll maintain, and branch off to do something else that'll help the pursuit. Again, I am not going to go into it, as it is meta-gaming. My position as a member of Staff Support has nothing to do with my outlook, nor that I am denying anything that is going on. I've provided 2 methods to bring attention to situations you've been involved in that you feel were either an OOC rule break, Player Reports, or an IC protocol break, IA reports.

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Try the following, as it can sometimes be an issue. Open up RageMP and click on the little 3 sliders in the top right Then in the window, scroll down to Accelerated CEF Rendering, and disable it if it is already not. This might help.

Bank robberies are a big deal. They are a major felony, one of 9 Serious Felonies listed by GOV: State of San Andreas Penal Code - Eclipse Government (eclipse-rp.net) We try not to use excessive response, and will dismiss people if the situation is okay to. If you're still new, not even a full 24 hours of play time on the server, I suggest just holding off on your opinion of LEO for the time being, and just give it a bit more of a chance, please There's a specific reason why New Players have the tag over their head and are protected for some time. You're expected to explore the city more, and get a feel for the community, but if you decide to bite into crime without a lot of insight on how response works, then I can see your frustration and confusion. It's not often that New Players want to dive straight into the criminal path, not without at least having a good idea of what is and isn't doable, and how they can avoid conflict with the police. If you have video evidence that suggest Power Gaming, you are urged to make either a Player Report here, or make an OOC IA report to be investigated in. Both PD and SD have these here to ensure that IC actions are met with IC consequences, but also OOC actions are also dealt with. Being LEO doesn't make us immune to disciplinary actions. PD IA - Commendations and Complaints - Eclipse Government (eclipse-rp.net) SD IA - Commendations & Complaints - Eclipse Government (eclipse-rp.net) No, I just used that as an example, and not as the only requirement. Again, this comes with more experience being on the server and knowing when to ask, or when to make an in-game report. We can only know what goes on, on our side, and not what goes on, on your side. Make a /report 3 or /report 4 and a member of staff can look into it, assuming they are not involved in the RP scenario.

Put it in one of the two slots for equipping the weapon, and try again, otherwise try what Roderick said.

It's not always chasing, and you don't understand the situation. There are gangs in the city, and there are violent gangs in the city. You can rob banks, have shootouts, etc. There's a lot more that goes on, and if you're still new to the server, over time you'll learn. See above, whether you think it's gangs or not, a lot of times, its big situations calling for all hands on deck. New Players actually do get a bit of leniency over regulars from what I've seen

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt as well, but as I said above, PD in specifically are reactive and we have set protocols on what we do. I cannot speak for SD, as I am not part of their faction, and am not aware of their internal policies, but I believe they are vey much akin to ours. We do not actively start immediately shooting unless there's an active public safety threat, nor send 10 cars, nor ever have 2 helicopters up. We want crims to have fun, and we commonly set up resets with admin approvals on things. I had a situation last night with a gang, where there was an unfortunate event, and it was reset a bits back. They all had fun, even if they took a loss. You don't know what radio calls come in. Some calls that come in do actually warrant immediate response, and being pulled over is lower on the list of priorities. So yeah, this makes sense that they'd say that and take off.

Well, the thing is, if you're there, it's reasonable suspicion that you were involved. Store Robberies rarely if ever have hostages. You'd have been detained, and if you had incriminating evidence, charged appropriately. AIR can get to a location a lot quicker than a cruiser can. AIR patrols the city. They can't get involved on the ground other than call outs, number of vehicles, and suspects. I don't think it is an unfair advantage, and a lot of times, the stores are clear by the time ground units arrive. Unfortunately, this is just a scenario of bad luck. There are so many times I've seen chain robberies, and either they die out with no proper leads, or they get caught at another store mid-robbery. Also, to say that it's impossible to win is not true. I've seen people get away from a pursuit of a Store Robbery loads of times. You have just as much of an equal chance of leaving a store with cash and not getting caught as much as anyone else. It's a successful criminal activity that is widely done. Perhaps you need to readjust your approach and execution instead of thinking that LEO's are making it hard for you. LEO's are reactive in our duties. We're not all about the win, and we take very many number of losses. Read through the OOC gang stories on what they've done and gotten away with. It's not always every interaction with LEO is an automatic L for them. Realistically, it should be more L's for crims getting caught, because that's how it is in real life. LEO's are properly equipped, and trained to deal with these situations and scenarios.

Hi there, I am sorry to hear that your interactions with LEO (Law Enforcement Officers) was a negative experience. I do not speak for anyone of any LEO faction, but I would suggest that if you have any video footage of it, to make a player report. No one should be subject to any slurs, or denied any RP, even if they were annoyed. That's not fair to the other party involved, being you in this situation. The portion about the being denied a lawyer is there because there aren't always Lawyers playing in the game. LEO's have to be judge, jury, executioner due to the hangups of doing a proper court trials. You'd be sitting in a cell for literal days with no chance of leaving. I mean real life days. So the rights were altered to accommodate for different time-zones and player availability. This explanation is borderline mixing, but that is why it's different from what you see in the US or anything. In regard to your scenario of backups being called, evading is a common tactic on this server when being pulled over. People on both sides enjoy chases. We will make the call on whether we feel the person we are pulling over will evade or not, and call in. Some of those are experienced LEO in game, and some of them are Cadets. It's their discretion on whether they will call in for backup. Also, there is nothing wrong with having AIR respond to a Store Robbery. We know that if a store is being robbed, at least one of those individuals will be armed, calling for a public safety issue, that we would need to control to the best of our abilities. What you've explained isn't power-gaming. Power-gaming would be them forcing RP with no chance of responding, like cuffing, not doing investigations if the evidence is not definitive, frisking you without allowing you to respond or fight, etc. There's a lot of evidence we can look at, as well as being on the scene empowers us to conduct specific detainments and searches. It's not power-gaming, but within the written law of the IC government. I am curious about what you mean by abusing police equipment. In what experience, were you seeing abuse of that? Not discrediting you, but I would like to know.

Yeah, that's how factions pay out, however, I still see no reason to not get paid to do alternative work within LSC/Bayview.

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+1 I actually think this is a good idea, something like $300 to come and impound a vehicle requested by LEO would be a nice addition. It makes sense since impounding cars would technically sit at a private lot, and not LEO lots, and LSC/Bayview are private businesses. Something like $250-300 a vehicle that's brought to impound.

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I'm well aware of that, but I'm saying, at night shift, when it's 180 people, and 98% of them are non-LEO, store robberies are massively chained with LEO's getting the following RP: Call comes in LEO arrives on scene, no one is there, immediately next call comes in Rinse and Repeat. You take away silent alarms, and all the stores can get hit and not a single one would ever get caught. Keep them in, and the few LEO on shift have a chance to possibly interact with the robbers, and get some RP in, otherwise they have literally 0 RP. Even more so when it's 6-8 people robbing a store with 3 LEO's on shift.

Yeah, as Herbo said, the Rebla GTS is based off the BMW X5, which is classified as an SUV, but has 0 capabilities of being able to off-road. Reminds me of an episode of Top Gear, where Jeremy Clarkson took the BMW X6, a more sportier version of the X5, to the Alps, and that thing just couldn't get around, due to it being equipped with sport tires from the factory. Sure, you can get all-season tires, but it still just doesn't have the right suspension to deal with off-roading, and it's transmission can't make up it's mind half the time what gear to be in.

Pretty much this. It's been brought to PD's attention from command that we can /prison from the Cell block processing room, as long as the appropriate /do is done. There are a number of reasons why this is, and I am not of command to say why this is, but going back several months is when this was permitted. @Bala or @MrSilky might be able to provide more insight.

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I've read through your screenshots, and nothing he's said was in any way out of line. If he worked at my job, and worked under me, I would see nothing that he said be grounds for disciplinary action at all. I think you're taking things way out of context, and you need to heed the advice give to you by others in this thread. Be patient, and wait. These types of posts are not helpful nor contribute positively to the community at all.

I want to offer this scenario which I know we'll encounter a lot of on night-shift. This can build up how long it takes to clear and be fine to drive without worry, but I can also see instances where getting "VM02 - Operating a Vehicle with a Suspended License" can be used in a court case somehow to justify that they didn't know they couldn't drive on a suspended license, or know their license was still suspended since their vehicle was released from impound. Now, you can argue that if they have multiple vehicles, then what's the difference anyways. Well the difference is that this is the same vehicle that was impounded earlier, and if you were the one who impounded the vehicle, or part of the arrest scene, then it doesn't make sense from a RP standpoint. Also, if you only own one vehicle, then yeah, the fees and such can add up. I can just think of a few things that would be needed set into place to ensure that The driver getting their vehicle actually gets it and doesn't need to wait hours since there's few LEO's on-duty The driver isn't at risk of losing their license for another 24 hours, as well as having to pay impound fee after impound fee

Yes, there are scripted things that can be implemented, but being LEO yourself, you're aware that there are other procedures and checks that need to be done as well. All those would have to be covered, and any updates to the Penal Code would then have to be scriptly changed again. I don't think that Penal Code changes happen often, but it's something to consider. Just note, I am not against automating it, cuz between 12am - 4am UTC, I hate having to immediately close 911 calls that come in from LSPD's Impound about getting a car out, since I'm on a scene where a gang wiped out another gang, a person is robbing a house, someone decided that it's okay to travel at 240 down San Andreas Ave, someone pulled a gun out at Burgershot, someone tried to stab me at a traffic stop, and is screaming at me at Pillbox after he had to be neutralized, the list goes on. A lot of times these threads come up, because of "night shift" RP. It sucks, I get it, but as of yet, Xoza's suggestion is the best that I agree with.

LEOs don't refuse to come. 9/10 times its cuz they're tied up in another situation, or get pulled into a situation while enroute to impound. Like say a vehicle traveling 200km/h down a city street for PD.

I think the issue with adding HP to the item, is that they can still stall out a vehicle, and be used to do so. When LEO's use it, we have strict guidelines on which we can use, and under what scenario we can use them in. Given those same to the public can be easily abused, but also, I think they are set hard hard set objects in case individuals arriving to their location allows them to be rendered in just as they were set, as opposed to something like street lights or traffic lights, where they respawn when you leave the rendering distance. This is just a speculation, but I don't think there's a viable way to integrate this without being abused. Even the LEO blue barricades are destroyed upon impact, but if you leave rendering distance and go back, they'll respawn again, just as they were. So while you're there, and see it moved, or destroyed, someone coming 200km/h down the street 1 mile out, will see it fully rendered.

The only issue with this is interpretations from LEO. There'd have to be more data available to LEO's, or create more scripts limited to DB, or those trained from DB to identify the location of the Packed Money. It just adds a spider web of complexity and issues, but not a bad idea otherwise. It'll just incur more confusion on charges if someone is arrested for something else, and this is found on them.

Not fully necessary, as the area where most of LEO's sit inside the lobby is within talking range, or /shouting range. LEOs not responding is just mainly due to the massive amounts of paperwork they end up having to do, and are spent a lot of times alt-tabbed. Could be implemented, but unlike DOC, where most of the interactions and RP is done in the prison ward, at MRPD, it's not really needed, as the interactions and RP is done within talking range. However, what could be implemented is a system like LSPD impound, where it notified one faction of the request back at MRPD, but RPly doesn't make a whole lot of sense, compared to the impound lot.