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  1. Not at 1 point did I complain about them driving meta vehicles or anything. This is a suggestion of them stopping to use heavy weapons and nothing else, As in the first original message of this thread. I think they should not be using Swat and SED type heavy weapons and be instead fully focused on tracking, survailance and etc. As heavy weapons has nothing to do with that part. You can do all that without the heavy weapons, by removing the heavy weapons detectives needs to relax a little bit and "value" their life and be a little bit more careful with what they do. As in recent times, they have been way to ballsy in my opinion. NOT EVERYONE, NOT ALWAYS, but some and sometimes which is more often than it should, in my opinion. This is simply a suggestion I wanted to put out to hear others opinion on it, both crims and detectives. Not arguing about labs, vehicles and such
  2. This was meant to be an idea about removing heavy weaponry from Detectives/SIB's Not about how much they raid labs or whatnot. I dont want to have a Cop Vs Crim on my suggestion please xD lets all cut it and either speak about the originale suggestion about weapons. things I mentioned in the originale post is reasons why I think this idea might be good, not to slander or start a cop vs crim discussion and or cops vs labs discussion
  3. Lets stop arguing on the forum and stick the originale topic please. I believe Lab raiding is worth a new thread and discussion. Lets stick to the originale topic which was the idea of a change to Detectives and their weapons
  4. Yes, thats exatcly why we have been told that old Lab rules dont apply anymore. After raiding my first lab in SED after the rotating labs, I said. "Are we not meant to leave the lab alone unless a LEGAL specifically calls about a LAB. I was told by Staff this does not apply anymore. Now if you get a call from inside an active lab, it gets raided no matter what, as it has for the past weeks. constantly being raided.
  5. I never mentioned SED or Swat didnt get called for situations. I said Detectives often run face first into danger with heavy weapons pretending to be Swat or SED AND THEN calling Swat and SED. Shoot first, scream code 1 I have been a LEO and crim long enough to know what baiting and investigating is, there has been multiple situations where detectives have been tracing, investigating and tailing people, but they end up putting an AK and AP on, going to a gang talking shit to get a reaction that eventually turns into crims giving demands and then the entire police force shooting them down. Im not saying this happens everyday, but it happens often enough. As mentioned in the last response, I am not saying to remove undercover etc etc. Im saying that this mentality where detectives roll into gangs HQ feeling invinsible with heavies, not caring properly for their life, talking shit to get a reaction that then most likely will turn into demands or chase. Detectives dont need heavies to do detective work. Leave the heavy work for the departments who deals with it. Detectives shouldnt AS ARMED as Swat or SED. This is both SIB and PD detectives, not just one of them. I personally see it much more with PD if we need to be specific. I do still see some detectives on and undercover wearing no vests or a regular vest just like any other GOB and not using the heavy weapons. That is what my idea is about. Long story short, my opinion is that I dont think detectives should be armed to their teeths. Thats what my idea/discussion/idea is. nothing else.
  6. I agree with all this, but the one question I have and where I do dissagree. if you are investigating an area, why are you entering with heeavy weaponry. isnt dressing like a crim with a pistol enough, and then let SWAT take care of the situation instead of detectives that then starting blasting 10+ crims before swat moves in. (not saying you did it in this clip, but is what typically happens) You go in undercover and investigate, why use crazy crim weapons. I didnt make this thread to trash on detectives, they are doing a really good job, but there is alot of situations and alot of people taking their privelages for granted and using it to their advantage. In my opinion as shown in the clip where you entered sealab, what I feel would be more right is. Use that car or whatever civ car you want, whatever clothes you want and a pistol 50. If you get put under gunpoint, which is one of the risks you need to deal with while being undercover, you have SED and or Swat right nearby ready to move in, snipers in helicopters or already positioned somewhere with a view. I see no reason for detectives to be wearing weapons such as this even tho you are going into a lab investigating. That is the point im trying to share
  7. I dont see why you would need an AK to prove you are crim. A pistol 50. with a silencer should be more than enough if you are behaving like a crim. If you are rolling around with an AK or an Pistol 50. shouldnt really make any difference. yes if you go around with an SNS pistol it would be more obviouse, but then use a pistol 50. with a silencer like everybody else. Crims dont often use Carbine mk11 and it is also known as a LEO weapon. so any strangers carrying that weapon will instantly be suspected to be a detective. So that was perhaps not the smartes weapon to use. I also constantly hear and see detectives be on gangs freqs all the time, this is good information. Countless times I have been called in by SIB and Detectives because they are on gang freqs. I have raided countless houses that SIB/detectives has found through freqs and being undercover. this is what a detective should do, not run into a gang bang with an ak and AP shit talking them trying to get a reaction. Detectives should be able to drive any civillian vehicle to fit in, and use any clothes. But having countless heavy weapons to the point they almost outgun SED/SWAT is the main thing I think is wrong and because I personally feel alot of detectives/SIB's are using this to their advantage by as mentioned Crim baiting. It should be considered being removed. In my opinion.
  8. True you cant join a discord,, but that is no excuse to baiting fights and reactions for a fight with heavy weapons. Im not SHITTING on detectives detectives are doing a great job, im simply comming up with an idea that will remove this wierd "clapping mentality" that most detectives now have. Makes no sense for them to be as or even more heavily armed than Swat and SED itself. Detectives should be limited to pistols, specially when undercover and no vests at all and if you have vests, they should be small vests, not bigger than regular GOB units.
  9. One typical scenario is when undercover detectives puts an ak 47 with attatchments on his back with a black AP, driving into gangs HQ's and or areas or operation, shit talking them to bait them to react and give demands. once demands are given the gang gets completely wiped out by 5 other detectives and swat teams who has been called by the detective after making the crims angry to the point demands are imminant. Other typical ways of crim baiting typically done by any LEO in any departments can be "step out the vehicle" for no apparent reason to bait and hope they get scared and evade, basically doing it with a malicious intent. and this does not come from me thinking people do it, people have confirmed to me they do it. Just to give a more "normal" example of crim baiting, but the post is intended to give a new idea for what detectives truly should be in my opinion, and hear others opinion on it. I think its highly unrealistic for detectives to roll in like swat teams and doing crazy shit At this state Detectives and SIB have a free for all match with all crims. they can do almost whatever they want, go wherever they want, use whatever they want with bare to none consequenses. while the crims have an insane consequense by the detectives reckless behavior/playstyle/freedom To put a question back to your question "Can’t people just not take the bait by attacking or chasing them?" if a solo crim comes up to a gang with 5+ people talking shit, the gang will chase the person and try and "give him a lesson" but it makes no sense when a cop is going to those 5+ known gang members, just to talk shit and bait them into a fight.
  10. For a long time I have noticed multiple undercover PD and SD SIB/Detectives running around with heavy weaponry, AP's and such crim baiting and doing alot of wierd stuff. After some thought to it I came with the thought that this makes no sense at all. Detectives in real life dont go running around with big Swat vests and ak's with scopes and shit. they simply go undercover and gather information and or attempts to infiltrate gangs/orgs so they can arrest and give people/orgs charges to be placed in jail. There has been way to many situations where detectives dress up with 150-200 ap, ak with scopes and or other typical crim heavy weapons, going to gangs and baiting them to be chased and or given demands to, with the most normal excuse " I was investigating" The moment demands has been given Swat is around the corner smoking the criminals in seconds with an ambush and or chase. This is highly unrealistic in my opinion and a way to make detectives act like realistic detectives is to strip them from all heavy weaponry, vests and simply give them the ability to trace, go undercover with all kinds of vehicles and a pistol of their choice. By limiting their armor and guns it creates a more realistic enviroment within the department where they should value their life as they are putting themself in high danger by going alone to highly dangerous orgs. I have also realised multiple situations where detectives and SIB act like Swat/SED running in not valuing their life at all and doing stuff that Swat/SED should do ALONE and not with the help of fight hungry detectives. Swat/SED should be the only people will such heavy weaponry as its what their department is made for, high risk situations. While detectives are for gathering information and infiltrating orgs to prosecute them, not smoke them. I am a supervisor within SED/SWAT and have been a LEO for a long time at this point, so I have seen this from both my SED character and my crim character. I would like to see others opinion on this and I am not stating EVERYONE does this, but it has happened and a bit too often to what I think should be normal.
  11. +1 Would be a fresh new update. amazing idea
  12. We chopped 4 cars yesterday and we made 5,8k or less each car. Crim is burning to the ground, gangs are dying and half time crims are quitting. chopping 1 car is barely even enough to use the scripted medic at the hospitals. + food and water to heal you up. and chopping isnt even a one man job! unless you are using the carjacks, which is now even worse. You might make 1k each car xD this is a joke man!
  13. I dont believe so, this was fixed a while back
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