DeanThompson Posted May 21, 2018 Report Posted May 21, 2018 I think we should have a simple judicial system for criminal and civil cases. Criminal Justice: Players cant be sent to jail by cops if a judge is online, instead they must be taken to court by the cop. Pros: Gives players an extra avenue or roleplay, gives players a fair trial rather than cops being judge jury executioner. Cons: Will take longer for cops to send someone to jail (which can be a good thing too) Civil Justice: Players can sue each other for damages. Judges can force payment of damages from one party to another. Pros: Gives players some recourse against other players in a legal way. Cons: Open to abuse by judges and therefore corrupt roleplay by judges will need to be prohibited. 3
DeanThompson Posted May 21, 2018 Author Report Posted May 21, 2018 This suggestion could be trialed prior to any scripting by creating a judicial faction and requiring cops to check if a judge is online before sending people to jail.  If a judge is online then the judge can hear the case and if determined guilty can give permission to the cop to send them to jail.  I would suggest committing development resources only if the judicial system is trialed with the current scrupt limitations and is successful
david fibonacci Posted May 21, 2018 Report Posted May 21, 2018 And what if a judge isn't online? Then it's not really fair on the criminal.
Tomis13lack Posted May 21, 2018 Report Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, david fibonacci said: And what if a judge isn't online? Then it's not really fair on the criminal. bail. If you cant pay, jailed until welfare can pay for it. Possible "ankle brace" system for tracking. As soon as u and a judge are on at the same time, you report to the court or will be tracked down.  If you go to court, ur bail deposit is returned Edited May 21, 2018 by Tomis13lack
david fibonacci Posted May 22, 2018 Report Posted May 22, 2018 Seems like it's hugely unfair someone has to wait for a judge and someone doesn't because of time zones or just real life issues.
DeanThompson Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Posted May 22, 2018 6 hours ago, david fibonacci said: And what if a judge isn't online? Then it's not really fair on the criminal. Didnt say it was a perfect system but it is certainly better than what we have now. I guess we would have to ensure there are enough judges across all timezones. Open to ideas though.
DeanThompson Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Posted May 22, 2018 2 hours ago, david fibonacci said: Seems like it's hugely unfair someone has to wait for a judge and someone doesn't because of time zones or just real life issues. Someone doesnt have to wait for a judge to come online. If theres no judge they would be dealt with as they are now...cops just send them to jail. However if there is a judge online...then the cops MUST take the person to court. Obviously if special circumstances exist i.e. the arrested player has to log off soon then the player could be arrested and sent to jail without trial like they are currently, but this just creates an extra opportunity to people to RP
HighJack Posted May 22, 2018 Report Posted May 22, 2018 A court system would be good, IF we have a good set of RP'ers in the Judiciary.Â
Ducky-Chan Posted May 22, 2018 Report Posted May 22, 2018 *volunteers for judiciary service* Â Aye ba good idea. +1 Could do with some work though.
DeanThompson Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Posted May 23, 2018 23 hours ago, HighJack said: A court system would be good, IF we have a good set of RP'ers in the Judiciary. I'll volunteer for it - I'd be happy to go into more detail and design how the judicial system would work IF this idea of having a judicial system is approved.
Mr. Blue Posted May 23, 2018 Report Posted May 23, 2018 My idea would be if someone is arrested, they are jailed for a time determined by the rules. If there is no judge online, they start serving their sentence as time and a half while they are not officially convicted. When the conviction happens, that time is deducted as time served which will incentivize speedy trials. In the case they were wrongly jailed, perhaps they can get a cash renumeration.Â
Phil McGee Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 +1 Its been recommended a number of times before and it was always hinged on the numbers of players as one of the barriers. But I think with Rage now and the increased player base it would be great.
SpaghettiSteve Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 +1 Could work great with a few tweaks and changes.
Osborn Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 +1 only if these judiciary positions are filled with people with actual knowledge of the justice system In Real Life. We've always been open to these things, but it's mainly been people with no experience wanting to judge and become lawyers defending their friends. It'd be a long process to implement though, we have no DOJ documents on the server. We'd also need a courthouse interior mapped (not too difficult, I could map it now that I've got custom objects on Map Editor). Â
DeanThompson Posted May 28, 2018 Author Report Posted May 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, FatherOsbornHD said: +1 only if these judiciary positions are filled with people with actual knowledge of the justice system In Real Life. We've always been open to these things, but it's mainly been people with no experience wanting to judge and become lawyers defending their friends. It'd be a long process to implement though, we have no DOJ documents on the server. We'd also need a courthouse interior mapped (not too difficult, I could map it now that I've got custom objects on Map Editor).  Can be arranged - If approved in concept I can find the people with the knowledge to come to Eclipse. I have a bit of knowledge to knock up some basic documents to get the system started.
Austyn1 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Posted July 6, 2018 I think that it would be a good idea, but we'd have to limit IC Corruption. It would be unfair if someone is arrested 6 times, but they're friends with the judge so they slide every time.
DeanThompson Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Posted August 27, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:23 PM, Austyn said: I think that it would be a good idea, but we'd have to limit IC Corruption. It would be unfair if someone is arrested 6 times, but they're friends with the judge so they slide every time. Well much like the PD has no OOC corruption rules the same would apply to the judicial system to maintain a healthy level of realism.
JackoKov Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 +1 Court system would bring some interesting RP opportunities.
Nubbsauce Posted September 4, 2018 Report Posted September 4, 2018 +1 This would be awesome...however... biases would exist and make the system flawed as fuck. AND im pretty sure no one would want to be online all the time to deal with people getting arrested 125123 times aday.
DeanThompson Posted September 5, 2018 Author Report Posted September 5, 2018 19 hours ago, Nubbsauce said: +1 This would be awesome...however... biases would exist and make the system flawed as fuck. AND im pretty sure no one would want to be online all the time to deal with people getting arrested 125123 times aday. I'd RP a judge
Nubbsauce Posted September 5, 2018 Report Posted September 5, 2018 I used to RP as a Public Defender on another server. It was fun defending Criminals Â
DeanThompson Posted September 20, 2018 Author Report Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 7:18 AM, Nubbsauce said: I used to RP as a Public Defender on another server. It was fun defending Criminals  It's even more fun prosecuting them Come developers lets have a judiciary
