PD Teamspeak

[Stelllyo]

PD Teamspeak Issues

 

I am going to Address the Issue of the Police Teamspeak and explain what it is used for. 

 

When you join the Police Department, you are given access to a Police Discord, and a Police Teamspeak. 

The Police Teamspeak looks as follows:

 

This is the Police Teamspeak setup. As you can see, there are Three Channels listed as IC. The rest are listed as OOC. When an issue that requires mass police presence arises, a PD member may call over the radio for a "Tac Call". This means that all available Officers, or one requested, must then switch to the Tac Channel called. Either 1, 2 or 3. This is so that the PD members may ICly talk over an IC means, and direct each other in pursuits, or other large situations. 

While this is useful, there are also the issues that you cannot hear what they say In these Tac Calls, Ingame. Suggestions have been given that they must talk ingame as they talk over the Tac Channel, but none have been implemented. These Tac Calls are not my issue, however, they can be seen as an unfair advantage to PD members, as they are able to silently communicate their plans.

A rebuttal to that statement that Tac Calls give them an unfair advantage of "silent" communication during a pursuit or situation might be that "Well, you wouldn't be able to hear us communicate over radio in our cruisers while in a pursuit", but many a time have I been in a pursuit and witnessed other PD members comments over the Tac Channel how the suspect was calling over Radio.

 

My issue concerns mainly the OOC Channels. These are to be used by the Unit pertaining to their names. However, very often will other units be inside of that units Channel to communicate OOCly. This may not seem like an issue, but many a time these OOC channels are used in an IC sense in that metagaming is common. It can be as small as communicating where your location is, or saying that you are dead, the situations are infinite. It happens very often, and one solution is to simply remove these OOC channels, or have you muted inside of them. Units do need a channel to hang out in, so that they may switch to TAC with ease. However, do they need to be able to talk inside of these channels? I've had tons of conversations inside of these channels that concern things happening ICly, and it may not seem like a big deal while doing it, but I can see that this is actual metagaming and many officers do it on a daily basis.

When I told the Chief this was going on, she just said that if I gave her evidence of this then she would resolve this, but that's the issue. None of us have access to the Teamspeak to witness this going on. It just goes on. So why not just remove the OOC channels, or have it so there are no talking privileges inside of the Teamspeak channels?

 

 

 

 

[InvalidSun]

While I mostly agree with the majority of this post, I also disagree with the same things. It is nothing against your suggestion or decisions made, I just personally feel that, while on patrol, it is actually nice to have someone there to talk to, as you cannot communicate unprofessionally over the radio, considering its a police department. The usage of the teamspeak for metagaming should be slightly more regulated, yes, but I believe it has been held to a high enough standard. The TAC channel suggestion that you state, I truly wish would go into play. While it is understandable for the suspect not to hear you while in your cruiser, some officers do use TAC only during foot pursuits, and that should be punishable.

 

I typed this on my phone, so excuse the sentence skipping.

[Stelllyo]

The only issue that I have with your statement is that while yes it is fun and nice to have someone to talk to while you patrol, there is no way for it to be regulated for Metagaming and that is unfair to the players.

[Kay133]

So what about all the criminals that use their private discord channels? I generally don't care if anybody is talking in an OOC Channel with somebody. If everybody's a good sport, then they won't MG. Even if we receive information over the OOC Channel, we don't use it like we know it IC. 

[Stelllyo]

Just now, Kay133 said:

So what about all the criminals that use their private discord channels? I generally don't care if anybody is talking in an OOC Channel with somebody. If everybody's a good sport, then they won't MG. Even if we receive information over the OOC Channel, we don't use it like we know it IC. 

Have you ever been in a PD Teamspeak Channel? I was with the PD for over 6 months and in that time Ive seen countless cases of Metagaming over the Teamspeak inside OOC manners. Comments made about someone on an OOC standpoint that if conveyed in character would change the flow of RP, and sometimes put it in favor of criminals. The issue is that they wont say it IC because they know it would sway out of their favor.

[flow]

This is just part of your personal vendetta against the PD and for some reason, you seem to target Katherine in particular, as can be seen by that wonderful Weazel News article you recently wrote which consisted of nothing but hate for the PD and the Chief. I'm going to assume you're trying to pick a bone here. Your own inactivity and inability to do what you're supposed to do is what lead up to you resigning from the PD, keep that in mind.

To your suggestion:

MG is something that we as the PD do not tolerate in any shape or form, which is quite evident when you consider that we have recently demoted an officer to the lowest rank we have because he was found to be metagaming. Anyone within the PD found to be metagaming is subject to harsh punishments. You know that very well. The PD Teamspeak is the only faction TS or Discord for that matter, that can be monitored by any admin. Any admin can at any time join any channel to see what's going on in there. Another fact you know very well. The PD has multiple admins, moderators and support staff on their roster. Again, you know that. The OOC channels are being monitored by any SGT+ for the very reason that we crack down on MG and the unfair use of Teamspeak. We are waiting for harmdone to introduce a system where we can rely on IG radio entirely but that is still ways off as the radio system just isn't stable. Another fact you are aware of. 

If metagaming is happening and as you state you have witnessed multiple times, why have you not reported any of it? That seems rather strange. 

Going by your logic, it is only fair to also close the ECRP discord and the forums because they could potentially be used to metagame and have been used for that reason as detailed in multiple player reports. Now should we shut down discord and the forums because there were some isolated cases of metagaming? 

 

I will go back to my original point. This suggestion's sole purpose is to attack the PD as you were not pleased with your departure from the faction. That is quite evident by your recent actions. This will only lead to one thing and that is what other factions on this server do, private discord servers where people talk on voice and they are impossible to moderate. 

 

Clearly a no for this suggestion.

Edited December 18, 2017 by flow

[Stelllyo]

Just now, flow said:

This is just part of your personal vendetta against the PD and for some reason, you seem to target Katherine in particular, as can be seen by that wonderful Weazel News article you recently wrote which consisted of nothing but hate for the PD and the Chief. I'm going to assume you're trying to pick a bone here. Your own inactivity and inability to do what you're supposed to do is what lead up to you resigning from the PD, keep that in mind.

To your suggestion:

MG is something that we as the PD do not tolerate in any shape or form, which is quite evident when you consider that we have recently demoted an officer to the lowest rank we have because he was found to be metagaming. Anyone within the PD found to be metagaming is subject to harsh punishments. You know that very well. The PD Teamspeak is the only faction TS or Discord for that matter, that can be monitored by any admin. Any admin can at any time join any channel to see what's going on in there. Another fact you know very well. The PD has multiple admins, moderators and support staff on their roster. Again, you know that. The OOC channels are being monitored by any SGT+ for the very reason that we crack down on MG and the unfair use of Teamspeak. We are waiting for harmdone to introduce a system where we can rely on IG radio entirely but that is still ways off as the radio system just isn't stable. Another fact you are aware of. 

If metagaming is happening and as you state you have witnessed multiple times, why have you not reported any of it? That seems rather strange. 

Going by your logic, it is only fair to also close the ECRP discord and the forums because they could potentially be used to metagame and have been used for that reason as detailed in multiple player reports. Now should we shit down discord and the forums because there were some isolated cases of metagaming? 

 

I will go back to my original point. This suggestion's sole purpose is to attack the PD as you were not pleased with your departure from the faction. That is quite evident by your recent actions. This will only lead to one thing and that is what other factions on this server do, private discord servers where people talk on voice and they are impossible to moderate. 

 

Clearly a no for this suggestion.

For one, My personal resignation was due to the fact that I had a suicide in the family, and I did not wish to continue the Toxic membership to the faction that was already going downhill. If you would like to speak about my time at the PD, then go ahead as you may. However, do not speak about things you have no idea about nor have any business in speaking about. I was left in charge of a department that had no structure to begin with, and was left behind by a terrible leader- much like Katherine has been left to do. My issue with the PD is that in its own discourse, keep that in mind.

I am simply calling out facts that bothered me while I was in the Police Department now that I am out of it, and no longer subject to any type of punishment from its members. If you wish to say you dont tolerate MG then you may say so, but there cannot be an admin in every channel at every time , and how many Seargents are there to be exact? You must have started that policy since I have left a few weeks ago, as when I left almost every person that was online or off would occupy one of the same channels as the other. My goal on the server now is to help out the people who have been fucked over the unfair use of tools the PD is so privileged to have. 

The issue isn't that it does or doesn't happen, the issue is that it can happen. The original command wanted to get rid of Teamspeak and Discord all together, you know that. They wanted to have it all done over Radio, you know that. While on the point of Harmdone making a multi-channel Ingame implemented radio, Harmdone has a list of things as tall as Maze Bank building, Ive seen it, and you know it as well. If you think that will be done anytime soon then take a look at all the other things Harmdone was supposed to do by now. 

The ECRP discord has a record of everything ever said by any player at any time in the Text Channels, and all rooms besides ones meant for Staff are Public, therefore anyone can join them to see what the conversation is about. The PD Teamspeak is for PD members only. 

As to why I have not reported any metagaming issues is because in the PD, when you report something to higher up's, your typically called a Rat. Ill go ahead and give you an example:

Giovanni Gallini was given a suspension after I reported him for In Character mistakes, here were the OOC messages I got on his behalf. 

Many new members of PD and even experienced ones whom spend months and months putting in work into the PD get very upset OOCly when they are "ratted" on, and I already have enough OOC bullshit going on in my life while I was in the PD to deal with more. Anytime anyone suggests anything that involves the PD, we have John Wallace and SoloSmith to run to the blind defense of the PD. 

My suggestion was that the PD should not have talking privileges in OOC Channels, because they do not need to communicate OOCly while on duty for any reason. Why should an Off Duty cop be inside of the OOC channel with an on-duty one? There is no reason for it. It was supposed to be removed long ago, and this is a suggestion on how to do it. The reason John why I have a "vendetta" on the PD, is because I can see just how fucked up the PD is after leaving it. I saw it while I was in, but didn't want to say anything. You have few people who know what they are doing, and the ones who actually want to help get brushed aside *ahem, Collin Fox, ahem*. You have a failing FTP system, and a Command Staff that has no idea what they are doing, or what is going on in their own faction. There are almost never any PD members online, and I can agree, I was one of those PD members that never came on, I won't even disagree with you on that. I was inactive, but mainly because I have a life to live, and college to do.

If you want to simply chalk up my argument on why the PD TS shouldn't have talking privileges inside of the OOC channels to a "personal vendetta", and say that Metagaming isnt an issue, go ahead. You can sweep this issue under the rug like the PD does with everything. Also, for SoloSmith that I know for sure is going to comment like he always does after John Wallace, Im not even going to bother reading what you say, because I know I can just read John's and get the same bullshit.

 

[flow]

11 minutes ago, Stelllyo said:

For one, My personal resignation was due to the fact that I had a suicide in the family, and I did not wish to continue the Toxic membership to the faction that was already going downhill. If you would like to speak about my time at the PD, then go ahead as you may. However, do not speak about things you have no idea about nor have any business in speaking about. I was left in charge of a department that had no structure to begin with, and was left behind by a terrible leader- much like Katherine has been left to do. My issue with the PD is that in its own discourse, keep that in mind.

I am simply calling out facts that bothered me while I was in the Police Department now that I am out of it, and no longer subject to any type of punishment from its members. If you wish to say you dont tolerate MG then you may say so, but there cannot be an admin in every channel at every time , and how many Seargents are there to be exact? You must have started that policy since I have left a few weeks ago, as when I left almost every person that was online or off would occupy one of the same channels as the other. My goal on the server now is to help out the people who have been fucked over the unfair use of tools the PD is so privileged to have. 

The issue isn't that it does or doesn't happen, the issue is that it can happen. The original command wanted to get rid of Teamspeak and Discord all together, you know that. They wanted to have it all done over Radio, you know that. While on the point of Harmdone making a multi-channel Ingame implemented radio, Harmdone has a list of things as tall as Maze Bank building, Ive seen it, and you know it as well. If you think that will be done anytime soon then take a look at all the other things Harmdone was supposed to do by now. 

The ECRP discord has a record of everything ever said by any player at any time in the Text Channels, and all rooms besides ones meant for Staff are Public, therefore anyone can join them to see what the conversation is about. The PD Teamspeak is for PD members only. 

As to why I have not reported any metagaming issues is because in the PD, when you report something to higher up's, your typically called a Rat. Ill go ahead and give you an example:

Giovanni Gallini was given a suspension after I reported him for In Character mistakes, here were the OOC messages I got on his behalf. 

Many new members of PD and even experienced ones whom spend months and months putting in work into the PD get very upset OOCly when they are "ratted" on, and I already have enough OOC bullshit going on in my life while I was in the PD to deal with more. Anytime anyone suggests anything that involves the PD, we have John Wallace and SoloSmith to run to the blind defense of the PD. 

My suggestion was that the PD should not have talking privileges in OOC Channels, because they do not need to communicate OOCly while on duty for any reason. Why should an Off Duty cop be inside of the OOC channel with an on-duty one? There is no reason for it. It was supposed to be removed long ago, and this is a suggestion on how to do it. The reason John why I have a "vendetta" on the PD, is because I can see just how fucked up the PD is after leaving it. I saw it while I was in, but didn't want to say anything. You have few people who know what they are doing, and the ones who actually want to help get brushed aside *ahem, Collin Fox, ahem*. You have a failing FTP system, and a Command Staff that has no idea what they are doing, or what is going on in their own faction. There are almost never any PD members online, and I can agree, I was one of those PD members that never came on, I won't even disagree with you on that. I was inactive, but mainly because I have a life to live, and college to do.

If you want to simply chalk up my argument on why the PD TS shouldn't have talking privileges inside of the OOC channels to a "personal vendetta", and say that Metagaming isnt an issue, go ahead. You can sweep this issue under the rug like the PD does with everything. Also, for SoloSmith that I know for sure is going to comment like he always does after John Wallace, Im not even going to bother reading what you say, because I know I can just read John's and get the same bullshit.

 

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So let me get this straight. You are going to use one incident in which somebody who WAS punished for his wrongdoings has called you a rat to justify not reporting any of the blatant rule breaking you state to have witnessed? That is again rather strange. 

 

And as expected, you continue to attack the PD and its members for no reason other than your personal dislike for them. You call us incapable of running the department. That is quite easily proven wrong as the PD is, in fact, running very well. Our FTP program is not failing in the slightest. Anyone who makes it through has demonstrated to be passionate about what we do. Your claim that there are almost never cops on is another lie altogether. People are getting arrested, so clearly there are cops? 

 

About 95% of your reply is again occupied by pure hatred and attacks towards the PD rather than the original point of your suggestion. 

 

There is no evidence that supports your claims. You are just trying to call everyone out because you have a problem with the PD in general. That is not happening. Come back with actual proof, not accusations, and we shall discuss it. And when you do come back, please leave the attacks aside because nobody here has attacked you. That just isn't a good display of character. 

[Stelllyo]

Just now, flow said:

So let me get this straight. You are going to use one incident in which somebody who WAS punished for his wrongdoings has called you a rat to justify not reporting any of the blatant rule breaking you state to have witnessed? That is again rather strange. 

 

And as expected, you continue to attack the PD and its members for no reason other than your personal dislike for them. You call us incapable of running the department. That is quite easily proven wrong as the PD is, in fact, running very well. Our FTP program is not failing in the slightest. Anyone who makes it through has demonstrated to be passionate about what we do. Your claim that there are almost never cops on is another lie altogether. People are getting arrested, so clearly there are cops? 

 

About 95% of your reply is again occupied by pure hatred and attacks towards the PD rather than the original point of your suggestion. 

 

There is no evidence that supports your claims. You are just trying to call everyone out because you have a problem with the PD in general. That is not happening. Come back with actual proof, not accusations, and we shall discuss it. And when you do come back, please leave the attacks aside because nobody here has attacked you. That just isn't a good display of character. 

If you wish to drag my Character then so be it, but I think we can all agree on one thing.

The PD ran better when Ramon was Chief, Palmer was Commander, and some of its members were Inactive. 

You can continue to say that my argument is invalid for "personal reasons", but I am simply making statements as an observer from the PD. It is not YOUR responsibility to say when WE discuss things. 

[Stelllyo]

Just now, flow said:

So let me get this straight. You are going to use one incident in which somebody who WAS punished for his wrongdoings has called you a rat to justify not reporting any of the blatant rule breaking you state to have witnessed? That is again rather strange. 

 

And as expected, you continue to attack the PD and its members for no reason other than your personal dislike for them. You call us incapable of running the department. That is quite easily proven wrong as the PD is, in fact, running very well. Our FTP program is not failing in the slightest. Anyone who makes it through has demonstrated to be passionate about what we do. Your claim that there are almost never cops on is another lie altogether. People are getting arrested, so clearly there are cops? 

 

About 95% of your reply is again occupied by pure hatred and attacks towards the PD rather than the original point of your suggestion. 

 

There is no evidence that supports your claims. You are just trying to call everyone out because you have a problem with the PD in general. That is not happening. Come back with actual proof, not accusations, and we shall discuss it. And when you do come back, please leave the attacks aside because nobody here has attacked you. That just isn't a good display of character. 

You are attempting to make this about me, and the PD, and that is not the point. You are attempting to Derail and take us off topic, and I wont allow that. I am no longer going to reply to you, or any other PD member. I have stated my opinion on the matter, and I will not say anything further as you are attemtping to rile me up, and that is childish. This is a suggestion not a debate, there is a poll. The poll is all I really care about in your opinion.

 

[flow]

1 minute ago, Stelllyo said:

If you wish to drag my Character then so be it, but I think we can all agree on one thing.

The PD ran better when Ramon was Chief, Palmer was Commander, and some of its members were Inactive. 

You can continue to say that my argument is invalid for "personal reasons", but I am simply making statements as an observer from the PD. It is not YOUR responsibility to say when WE discuss things. 

Again, nothing to support your original suggestion. Just attacks. 

 

You have been asked not to hang around in PD channels for the very reason of keeping the risks of MG to a minimum and you got upset about it and ran to the forums to fabricate a suggestion full of hate and attacks. 

 

 

[Stelllyo]

Just now, flow said:

Again, nothing to support your original suggestion. Just attacks. 

 

You have been asked not to hang around in PD channels for the very reason of keeping the risks of MG to a minimum and you got upset about it and ran to the forums to fabricate a suggestion full of hate and attacks. 

 

 

If you would like to continue insulting me go ahead, but Im not going to drop down to the low level that you set your standards at John. 

[flow]

17 minutes ago, Stelllyo said:

If you would like to continue insulting me go ahead, but Im not going to drop down to the low level that you set your standards at John. 

I would love for you to show me any insult I have allegedly thrown at you. Because I fail to see any kind of insult. I have simply countered your accusations with actual proof of the PD working against MG. You yourself were asked to NOT be in PD channels to keep the risk of MG down before even making this suggestion. I have shown evidence of people getting punished for MG and you went ahead and called the person in question here "somebody who wanted to help the PD" and accused us of getting rid of him. We punished him for metagaming, what more can we do? 

You are clearly not satisfied with any evidence I provide but yet fail to show me and the community any evidence of your claims. 

It is my right and duty as a community member to reply to suggestions and discuss the nature of them. 

[Triple Seven]

Yes. In time teamspeak needs to go, but now is not that time, it’s way too unstable ingame to facilitate full ic radio. Any role player worth their salt will avoid mg to the best of their ability and otherwise others should call them out on it.

Oh and yes, while playing a game I enjoy talking with friends OOC if there is no situation that calls to switch to full IC (TAC)

[SoloSmith]

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When we're driving around for 2-3 hours and not a single call comes through, the banter and chatter on TeamSpeak is the only thing that keeps some people in the game. Metagaming is minimal. Whenever it is discovered someone is metagaming, it is dealt with. As is evident by recent situations within the PD.

Admins often come in and out of channels, both on and off duty. Other people used to come on TeamSpeak but that was also stopped to avoid metagaming. The way you worded your original post did come across as an attack on the PD rather than an actual discussion on the topic, which is probably why you've been met with a bit of hostility. Not all that different from that IB email you sent out :D

Changes were made to force more in-game chatter. I'll be the first to admit that old habits die hard. Often I'm talking in TAC when a situation is coming to a close and I should be doing it in-game, it's a constant work in progress. However, in-game radio is completely bugged and VOIP is as well. Not sure what you expect us to do if we can't communicate whatsoever.

As is already stated in this post. TeamSpeak is allowed by server rules for the PD, is monitored by admins of all levels. Yet there are a number of criminal Discords that are not, and when push comes to shove, there's a lot more MG that side of things than PD side.

Edited December 18, 2017 by SoloSmith

[Stelllyo]

Just now, SoloSmith said:

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When we're driving around for 2-3 hours and not a single call comes through, the banter and chatter on TeamSpeak is the only thing that keeps some people in the game. Metagaming is minimal. Whenever it is discovered someone is metagaming, it is dealt with. As is evident by recent situations within the PD.

Admins often come in and out of channels, both on and off duty. Other people used to come on TeamSpeak but that was also stopped to avoid metagaming. The way you worded your original post did come across as an attack on the PD rather than an actual discussion on the topic, which is probably why you've been met with a bit of hostility. Not all that different from that IB email you sent out :D

Aha, I can see your point. I have not been around that often since the new Admin system has been in place, as when I had been within the PD there had been several incidents where Metagaming had been an issue. Sometimes it happens and Officers don't even know they are doing it. 

I did not mean for my original post to come off as an attack on the PD, and I'm sorry if it seemed like one. If I could sum up my opinion here I would like to:

I would just like to let the people know that there are OOC channels within the TS, and that they can sometimes be used for Metagaming purposes. However, sometimes officers don't even recognize that its happening. It can even be as simple as saying "Hey, I'm at the Xero 24 come pick me up", or expressing your opinion to another Officer while in the OOC channel about the situation you are in. After reading some of the points and talking to a PD member about it for a bit, I do agree that the OOC channels do a bit more good than they do bad, and that the Admins patrolling the channels is a good idea. I do however still maintain that PD members should talk Ingame while using TAC, as it gives players the same abilities that PD members have.

My main issue with the arguments made by John Wallace where that they felt very personal as to my leaving of the PD, and as if my leaving of the PD was the reason I had these standpoints. It isn't. I did not want to leave the PD on a bad note, and I feel as if I did. I care very much about the members of the PD with some of who I've now known for Six months. I left because of OOC issues and mainly for the fact that my inactivity was beginning to get me a lot of passive aggressiveness from a lot of fellow Officers, which only made me want to get on less.

I think the best thing to take out of this discussion is that many people do agree that PD members should talk in-game while in Tac Channels, at least that's what I'm seeing.

Also, thank you for the police response James.

[flow]

1 hour ago, Stelllyo said:

The PD ran better when Ramon was Chief, Palmer was Commander, and some of its members were Inactive. 

You start to attack people in PD and expect not be called out on it? I am sorry but you clearly must have been aware of what you have said, right? 

2 hours ago, Stelllyo said:

My goal on the server now is to help out the people who have been fucked over the unfair use of tools the PD is so privileged to have

Another accusation of how the PD allegedly "fucks" people.

2 hours ago, Stelllyo said:

The reason John why I have a "vendetta" on the PD, is because I can see just how fucked up the PD is after leaving it

And again.

2 hours ago, Stelllyo said:

You have few people who know what they are doing, and the ones who actually want to help get brushed aside *ahem, Collin Fox, ahem*. You have a failing FTP system, and a Command Staff that has no idea what they are doing, or what is going on in their own faction

Another accusation. You call us out for acting on an officer who MGed. You call our FTP failing and the CMD Members apparently have no idea what they are doing. You are very very toxic towards us in all of your posts. Am I wrong to counter your arguments? 

2 hours ago, Stelllyo said:

Im not even going to bother reading what you say, because I know I can just read John's and get the same bullshit

Nobody has attacked you in such a manner, only your motivation for making this suggestion as it is quite obvious. You were asked to keep off our OOC channels in order to crack down on potential MGing and you were upset about that and went straight to make this suggestion. 

8 hours ago, Stelllyo said:

My issue concerns mainly the OOC Channels.

That above is a statement in your original post, now your issue is suddenly the TAC channels. You seem to twist your arguments and points in whatever direction currently fits and that is something that just isn't fair. You have attacked people all throughout this post, so be prepared to be met with counter arguments and hostility. 

 

We are enforcing the IC usage of TAC and people are constantly called out and corrected when they use the TAC channels in such a manner that it is unfair to anyone around them. 

 

Don't make yourself stand out to be the victim here. 

[Stelllyo]

Calm down Jesus fucking Christ. The last time I saw someone get this angry over a forum post, their Incel Reddit got banned. 

[SoloSmith]

Just now, Stelllyo said:

Calm down Jesus fucking Christ. The last time I saw someone get this angry over a forum post, their Incel Reddit got banned. 

This is not Wallace angry. On a scale of 1-10, this is a 2 :D His points are valid, there are a lot of direct and indirect attacks on individuals and PD as a whole. 

[Stelllyo]

Now I’m heading to bed because I have to go somewhere in like 8 hours. The conversations been fun man, hope to do it another time, and I’m sure it’ll happen anytime another person says anything ever about the PD.

[Stelllyo]

@SoloSmith   Yeah I can agree there. He did not get the personal convo we had about the subject and I’m too tired to have another one. Also my whole point on collin wasn’t that he was fucked over for MG John, it was that he was in the PD for so long and never got anywhere because everyone ignored him. Didn’t evrn know he was kicked For MG. That’s some hilarious irony though 

[WoogeTV]

Hey don't use me as an example in that picture I don't MG I just follow protocol ☃️

[Papastouch]

You want to get rid of the OOC channels but you were in there chatting with Robertson last night like it was no big deal... I don't get it.  If there's MG going on in the channels that's up to the sergeant team or a superior to monitor and report.

[Ethosyde]

@Stelllyo I like how you used my private conversation to you as an example in attempt to use it as fuel to your arguments. I am no longer in the faction or community, so I can say things without having to "kiss your ass" or worry about "getting in trouble"... so forgive me if I hurt your little feelings. 

Regardless if you ratted on me IC or OOC, I would have called you a rat, frankly you are lucky I did not call you more extreme things. It is entertaining on the level of "feelings" and "emotions" people have from IC or OOC insults. That I was in trouble for both ICly and OOCly back then, when the things I could have and wanted to say to people, I didn't... But honestly, back then I called you out, and apparently you were butthurt about it, and had to recall the conversation or save a picture of it.... extremely pathetic and sad. Apparently you did not learn your lesson, because now you rat me out about calling you a rat via public forum message. So, yes, you are still a rat. Shall I say more? No, I will keep my feedback to myself, I dont want to hurt your little feelings.

You had zero to gain from it, snitching on me or anyone for that matter. Unless you are going to gain something directly or indirectly, it literally makes zero sense to me to this day. Except for the fact that only little terrorized nerds , that tattle on everyone in school, because they cannot handle a joke, or situation. So, they go straight to crying wolf or telling on them. Real men do not snitch... at least, that is what I am used to. Especially in the manner of which you do it. 

So, you use me as an example to make me look bad to "lighten" up your post to shine your points better? Because you have zero information from understanding, other than just bitching about something, because you do not have control nor the power to make change? 

How about this, why not just rank up in the PD, without snitching, without ass kissing, by putting in the hours, time, effort, and work... then when you get to rank of understanding how things work in and out, backwards and forwards, then maybe you will not cause a ruckus over something. Then, once you get to that rank, you can make the changes and be the voice you are trying so hard to be. 

Using others in hopes to enhance your motives or views does not do anything but make you look worse. 

In game VOIP... call for tac channel, we hop to tac channel. Regardless if someone is in a OOC channel, if they are in game, they have their radio on, therefore they hear the in game VOIP calling for a tac situation... so therefore the thought process of the MG, IC vs OOC , or TAC situations vs regular channels is void. Because the information is or at least should be or used to be transmitted ICly and received ICly. Regardless if or where we were within teamspeak. 

Unless I have been gone and VOIP was stripped from the server... or faction radios was.... this argument is redundant as the in game radio protects the teamspeak OOC vs IC and vise versa. 

Sorry for your real life troubles, buddy. Life is a bitch, but you have to keep your head up and keep fighting the good fight. While you are down and depressed or stressed and going through things, just remember others may be too, and taking them down in efforts to make yourself feel and look better, actually does the opposite, both in gaming world as well as real life. 

Remember... there is always light at the other end of darkness.... it only takes you and time to make it out of it and overcome that dark time. 

K Thx Bai


( To server administration and police command and senior command.... I apologize, I know this fairy level emotions of the server, may claim this to be OOC insults... if I get banned. I understand. No hard feelings. But some times, you cannot get a participation award in real life and avoid insults or unfair choices that come along with it. Not every one is given a "bicycle hat to life"... learn to get used to be unfair situations or unfair people.... life is rough... better to learn that now than never, or when it is too late. )

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by Ethosyde

[Stelllyo]

2 hours ago, Ethosyde said:

@Stelllyo I like how you used my private conversation to you as an example in attempt to use it as fuel to your arguments. I am no longer in the faction or community, so I can say things without having to "kiss your ass" or worry about "getting in trouble"... so forgive me if I hurt your little feelings. 

Regardless if you ratted on me IC or OOC, I would have called you a rat, frankly you are lucky I did not call you more extreme things. It is entertaining on the level of "feelings" and "emotions" people have from IC or OOC insults. That I was in trouble for both ICly and OOCly back then, when the things I could have and wanted to say to people, I didn't... But honestly, back then I called you out, and apparently you were butthurt about it, and had to recall the conversation or save a picture of it.... extremely pathetic and sad. Apparently you did not learn your lesson, because now you rat me out about calling you a rat via public forum message. So, yes, you are still a rat. Shall I say more? No, I will keep my feedback to myself, I dont want to hurt your little feelings.

You had zero to gain from it, snitching on me or anyone for that matter. Unless you are going to gain something directly or indirectly, it literally makes zero sense to me to this day. Except for the fact that only little terrorized nerds , that tattle on everyone in school, because they cannot handle a joke, or situation. So, they go straight to crying wolf or telling on them. Real men do not snitch... at least, that is what I am used to. Especially in the manner of which you do it. 

So, you use me as an example to make me look bad to "lighten" up your post to shine your points better? Because you have zero information from understanding, other than just bitching about something, because you do not have control nor the power to make change? 

How about this, why not just rank up in the PD, without snitching, without ass kissing, by putting in the hours, time, effort, and work... then when you get to rank of understanding how things work in and out, backwards and forwards, then maybe you will not cause a ruckus over something. Then, once you get to that rank, you can make the changes and be the voice you are trying so hard to be. 

Using others in hopes to enhance your motives or views does not do anything but make you look worse. 

In game VOIP... call for tac channel, we hop to tac channel. Regardless if someone is in a OOC channel, if they are in game, they have their radio on, therefore they hear the in game VOIP calling for a tac situation... so therefore the thought process of the MG, IC vs OOC , or TAC situations vs regular channels is void. Because the information is or at least should be or used to be transmitted ICly and received ICly. Regardless if or where we were within teamspeak. 

Unless I have been gone and VOIP was stripped from the server... or faction radios was.... this argument is redundant as the in game radio protects the teamspeak OOC vs IC and vise versa. 

Sorry for your real life troubles, buddy. Life is a bitch, but you have to keep your head up and keep fighting the good fight. While you are down and depressed or stressed and going through things, just remember others may be too, and taking them down in efforts to make yourself feel and look better, actually does the opposite, both in gaming world as well as real life. 

Remember... there is always light at the other end of darkness.... it only takes you and time to make it out of it and overcome that dark time. 

K Thx Bai


( To server administration and police command and senior command.... I apologize, I know this fairy level emotions of the server, may claim this to be OOC insults... if I get banned. I understand. No hard feelings. But some times, you cannot get a participation award in real life and avoid insults or unfair choices that come along with it. Not every one is given a "bicycle hat to life"... learn to get used to be unfair situations or unfair people.... life is rough... better to learn that now than never, or when it is too late. )

 

I am so sorry that your sorry excuse to attempt and get anyone to pitty you never worked inside of the PD. For one, you wont hurt my feelings, its evident that yours have been hurt though. You came to PD to a no parking area, and attempted to fuck with Cadets because it made you feel like a big man. Your entire time within the PD all you ever did was attempt to get rank and feel like a hot shot, but in the end all it got was you kicked out of the PD. I posted it because it was relevant. People cant say the things they want to say inside of the PD because people like you get butthurt and cry about it. It was honestly embarrasing seeing someone so much older than me act like such a fucking child. You made an idiot mistake, and when you got called out you got upset. Then when told you would have to apologize for it to the Cadet, you said fuck it and left. 

I have retracted my statement about the OOC channels several times throughout this entire post. However you wanted to make things more personal than they already were.

You OOC insulted some kids on the Internet, then got caught. You were then demoted for these OOC insults, to which you then continued to act like a clown IC and OOC. Then when someone reported you knowing you were on thin ice. You then got called into the Office by Randy Randul, yelled at, and told to apologize. Instead of doing what is excpected of a High Ranking PD member, something of which you seem to think you really are IC and OOC, you basically said fuck off. Then when I attempted to apologize because I felt sorry for you, you called me a Rat and cried about how sad you were that you got kicked out of the PD.

To everyone on this post, my argument about the OOC TS was made in a hasty rush last night in a fit of emotion, and I apologize for that. However, to Ethosyde, I will not sit here and let you act as if the things I have and have gotten have been handed to me, and as if you are some sort of moral shining knight. You OOCly acted like a clown to so many people, and attempted to say you were better simply because of the time you had put into the PD. There is a reason you got demoted, and a reason you got booted. So dont talk about "taking them down in efforst to make yourself feel and look better", because if I recall you called people baby back bitches.