Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 I have just spoken to a goverment official who is going to voice our opinions over to the higher up goverment and see what they can do to come to some form of resoloution to this. I totally understand you need to make a profit but this is boarder line slave labour pricing. It needs to change and with this movement we hope to do just that.
Aldari Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 Quote So your telling me the amount of money that is currently made out of gas stations and stores is not enough? Correct. If delivery costs were raised to $3000/delivery and tax raised by 20% then I'd make a loss of $91,000 every time I sell my stock. The loss wouldn't be paid by myself though, no, it would instead have to be made up by increasing prices, which means the cost is off set to the customer - people like you. Here's an idea for you: Instead of driving up prices by imposing ill thought out taxes why not plead with your government to instead invest in technology that allows you to load and unload your deliveries much faster to make the deliveries more cost efficient! 3
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 As much as i would like that kind of Tech. It also comes down to the fact that there is no way people should be paid $1000 for a 200,000L job. As per the same with 10car's driving them to the oposit side of the country to be paid the same. If prices need to change then so be it. There is a large inbalance here that needs to have some form of reform and change.
JakeInnit_ Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Stores are taxed on any money taken from the treasury, each time you withdraw from the treasury you only receive 65% of the money you withdraw, the remaining 35% is tax. The stores have small profit margins due to the items being cheap to purchase and import therefore you need to sell a large quantity in order to make any real money. Example: A burger costs 100$ for the store owner. He imports 100 of them and pays the trucker fee of 3000$. This order comes to 13000$ for the store owner. The store owner then sells his 100 burgers for $150 each, giving him $15000. He then decides to buy another 100 burgers to replenish his stock and pays a trucker fee of $3000. This order comes to 13000$ for the store owner. He has profited $2000. So he withdraws his $2000 to buy something, due to the tax he only receives $1300. (This prices are not reflective of actual import prices) Edited March 13, 2020 by JakeInnit_
Yputi Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) I agree with some previous statements. The money we get from the fuel isn't pure profit. Money goes to advertising, taxes and import costs too. of the $8 I have been asking, $3 was left per litter to spend on the things I mentioned. Depending on what station you have and how you advertise, you make more or less profit. For this reason, I am planning on raising my station price to $2 more. This shouldn't affect customers too much and offer the truckers a higher pay. It's hard to keep both customer and truckers satisfied. I personally believe this would be a good option. Maybe this price will be adjusted in the future though, depending on how this turns out. at the end, all stations compete against eachother. Raising teh price will maybe cause less customers, less sales, less profit, less money to spend. So workign together, setting a new base price for all stations could work. Edited March 13, 2020 by Yputi 2
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 So in this case going off the pricing system you have put above then the sale price of the burger should be around 250 per so they therefore would be making around 66% as to what any store would actually want to be making per inventory space instore.
JakeInnit_ Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 As it stands there is little profit from gas stations and stores after you buy bleets, blips, stock and trucker fees. By increasing trucker fees you will also have to increase the sales price of items across the city which is not in anyone's interests. Not to mention the fact that these businesses cost 5 million+ so buying one then profiting off of it takes a huge amount of patience. If you don't want to do the order then don't do it and let someone else take it who is willing to do it.
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 I agree - if its not worth it we wont do it. thats why there are a ton of jobs currently piling up and no one is doing them apart from the new people in the city. Once they realise it is not worth it they will move on also. Stop looking at cheap basic labour for your fix and help us to make a dedicated team of experienced truckers to make sure you get your deliveries fast and efficiently.
Luke Raven Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 All Im saying is that IF tax increases for our businesses we will protect our interests by raising our prices. Currently there is no way, NO WAY, we can sell gas at $7/8 and make money if that tax was put in place, and as such we would have to increase our prices to a match it or even take advantage of this situation and just raise it overall to make more money. 1
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 I personally are totally ok with $10 gas price's, And we drive for a living. If the overall price is fair for truckers and fair for the stores then people will just have to adapt at that point. Totally understand people saying well other jobs will take a hit. Maybe but a full truck at the mines pays pretty well. Most of the other jobs pay the fuel for you like money transporter and Mail Personel. So that wouldnt change much there. Food and drink etc i understand would take a hit but the overall impact to everyone would be a plus with people able to work for a fair living. Spending 8hours 30m for $1000 should be outlawed! this should be totally illegal.
Aldari Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 Quote There is a large inbalance here that needs to have some form of reform and change. That imbalance isn't being solved if your living expenses increase more than your salary. If you end up paying more for gas and general living expenses such as food then the extra $2000 you're earning from your job isn't going to cover that. Hence the issue with raising taxes and raising the minimum wage in a city that is essentially in hyperinflation, all you're doing is driving inflation up way faster than the salary you earn. The imbalance exists, because there is no diversity in the market. The government continues to print money at enormous rates and injecting it into the economy devaluing the currency and businesses have no supplier or manufacturer options. What actually needs to happen is money needs to circulate more, and the number of business suppliers needs to increase - your union won't mean anything if the businesses don't have any other suppliers to negotiate with. You could protest and refuse to shop at stores until you're blue in the face, it's not like I could go to another supplier and negotiate a better deal so I can reduce the prices of my products, nor could I negotiate a better deal so I could off set the losses from the increased tax/delivery cost, so I either have to 1.) Sacrifice my finances and take a loss until I run out of money or 2.) Offset the cost to the consumer and raise produce prices - which one do you think I'll do. I don't know how long you've been in the city, but anybody who has been around long enough to remember will tell you how badly affected the economy has been from the introduction of more taxes. I remember when I bought my first house for $220,000 - it was a 3G in mirror park and I ended up buying ten of these houses over the course of a year for roughly the same price each. The government then introduced taxes, hyper inflated the economy and I ended up selling each one for $850,000 each, those same houses now sell for $1m-1.5m. The point is, your salary increasing doesn't mean diddly squat if price of living outpaces how much you can earn. 3
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 It all still comes down to the key fast of giving truckers $1000 per job no matter how big or small. this is the issue at hand. I totally understand the taxes and i don't think that raising them would be a good move because the economy is slowing in itself already. Do i think that maybe limiting the fuel order to 50,000L per order is an idea. Yes. Do i think we should be paid more the further we have to travel. yes. Its how things should work. The time of me being in this city has nothing to do with a broken system.
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 Also having multiple supplyers and maybe even the chance to deliver goods to goverment buildings seem's they actually need goods but currently they seem to out source it. With giving us more options also we can then have a better chance as well as you. I am all up for Company sided setup's for product delivery.
Jbacon Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Chumush 24/7 in partner ship with Shadow Corporation Location supports the raise in trucker fees, it is about time that other companies get on board with this, I have been providing good freight rates to truckers for some time, normally paying in excess of 5k per delivery. Chumush will continue to strive to provide top notch products for incredibly low prices, with the support of our new truckers union and the government placing in mandatory trucking fees I look forward to the prosperity that this will bring citizens of the city. Chumush 24/7 will be undergoing renovations this weekend to better secure its self with security services at a topnotch level, secured within a self contained network that only Law Enforcement will have access to the secure area, this will help reduce costs by lowering insurance to cover the losses caused by the unlawful robbery of my store, and hope to reduce risk to staff. We will also me implementing new security surrounding our staff thus please be patient during our renovations to ensure both our staff and your safety. We thank all our patrons and look forward to further prosperity at the Chumush 24/7. As always we are willing to work with large orders for discounts and bulk orders, please contact (213)516-1554 Edited March 13, 2020 by Jbacon 1
Pvle Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 For example for me its not worth to pay more if you have drive like 1miles from loading building to grove street. you will not deliver? i will deliver myself. 1
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 13, 2020 Author Report Posted March 13, 2020 As we relayed to the goverment - 10 cars for 1 mile fair we will do that no problem - 10 cars 300mile. not a chance 1
Jbacon Posted March 13, 2020 Report Posted March 13, 2020 With rental costs of the trucks and fuel costs I would think that more would be acceptable even for local deliveries. Best of luck truckers, hope to see you guys supporting those that support you!
Phantas Posted March 14, 2020 Report Posted March 14, 2020 16 hours ago, FatherOsborn said: Coming soon? Make memes a reality sir.
Luke Raven Posted March 14, 2020 Report Posted March 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Phantas said: Make memes a reality sir. Please dont
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Posted March 14, 2020 I would like to thank the most of you who are raising the truckers fee. Also raising gas prices but that was an inevitble thing to happen with this movement. i am happy to pay $10PL and have nothing against it. What i do have against it though it some stations changing their price to $10 and still paying $1000. So. I currently have a tanker full of fuel that will not be delivered for the next 48hours. I have some fishing to do to make up the difference in money. Will be in touch. Much love.
Luke Raven Posted March 14, 2020 Report Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dewi Mcfestive said: I would like to thank the most of you who are raising the truckers fee. Also raising gas prices but that was an inevitble thing to happen with this movement. i am happy to pay $10PL and have nothing against it. What i do have against it though it some stations changing their price to $10 and still paying $1000. So. I currently have a tanker full of fuel that will not be delivered for the next 48hours. I have some fishing to do to make up the difference in money. Will be in touch. Much love. I hear fishing makes you some decent money
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Posted March 14, 2020 Yeah its not bad but not the way i want to feed myself and my family. we managed to get a family car today! first one we have ever owned. only took a week of pure trucking ugh
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Posted March 14, 2020 Also they do not count in for unforseen events like currently there is about 20 police cars and 10 medic's on sceen at the gas station so i couldnt deliver if i wanted to.
Dewi Mcfestive Posted March 15, 2020 Author Report Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) So the Lollipopfuels gas station & Autoservices up at the north is charging 10$ for gas but is also not paying truckers a fair wage which is the reason the price was raised all round. If you are going to jump with everyone then atleast be respectful and give a little of the profits to the reason for the protests. Right now its like a dam right scam for the people who come to you for fuel and you raised your price but basicly for no reason at all. You should be ashamed. Other companies out here trying to make a differance while your sat there trying to leach $1500 truck runs with cars when it costs us around $520 for fuel alone. Not a chance experianced truckers will go near it. and until you explain why you are basicly leaching more and more money out of the people while you sit there and gain a more and more as it is not going to the cause intended. We (Being 14 of the current truckers) will not be completing anymore of your orders. Best wishes Dewi McDoodle Truckers Rep. Edited March 15, 2020 by Dewi Mcfestive Added details
Yputi Posted March 15, 2020 Report Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Dewi Mcfestive said: So the Lollipopfuels gas station & Autoservices up at the north is charging 10$ for gas but is also not paying truckers a fair wage which is the reason the price was raised all round. If you are going to jump with everyone then atleast be respectful and give a little of the profits to the reason for the protests. Right now its like a dam right scam for the people who come to you for fuel and you raised your price but basicly for no reason at all. You should be ashamed. Other companies out here trying to make a differance while your sat there trying to leach $1500 truck runs with cars when it costs us around $520 for fuel alone. Not a chance experianced truckers will go near it. and until you explain why you are basicly leaching more and more money out of the people while you sit there and gain a more and more as it is not going to the cause intended. We (Being 14 of the current truckers) will not be completing anymore of your orders. Best wishes Dewi McDoodle Truckers Rep. Dear Mr. McDoodle. Thanks for your message. First of all, the Second you sent this message, believe it or not, 1 of my orders have been delivered. I would like to make some things clear. "trying to leach $1500 truck runs" you state 1500 truck runs, while I have done the following: I seperated my order in 2: 2 orders , costing $34455 + $34460 fuel total I've raised my pay for truckers to 2K per delivery (this comes together to an total of a 267% pay increase for the truckers now, as the order is twice as small compared to what I used to offer ) I would like to inform you that I was one of the first 2 station owners that raised their price to the agreed $10 minimum. This did cause me being the more expensive station for a small amount of time. Next to that, one of the stations in the city is basically losing money, setting their price below profit prices and also offering insane high delivery pay. I sadly can't do the same, but all this together did take away some business, considering this only started 2-3 days ago. Please make sure to be patient as this can't be done perfectly rightaway. This takes some time. Next to that, I expect you to kindly make sure the statements are correct, not giving people the impression my pay rate is 25% lower than mentioned and leaving away the fact my order is 2 times smaller now. I personally have a very detailed sheet where I keep track of almost everything and I am currently working on an automated system that calculates what money I can spend for the truckers based on the profits. I am willing to work with you, but again, it takes time. I understand you, but I would also appreciate some understand from your side if possible as I could just ignore this since my deliveries are still being done. Kind regards, Audrey Sanchez. Edited March 15, 2020 by Yputi
