FORCE ROLEPLAY, and bad quality roleplay

[excorcist]

I’m filing this report because of a highly frustrating situation involving some extremely lazy, unrealistic police work and forced RP. The cops involved clearly showed a "win-mentality," completely skipping standard investigative roleplay just to force an arrest after I had already clean-escaped them.

What Happened

• No Line of Sight: I was in a vehicle pursuit but completely broke line of sight. I drove far away into a remote area, parked, and went to hide inside a bush behind a building. The cops 100% did not see me go back there. In-character, there was absolutely no reason for them to look behind this specific building.
• The "Search": I was fully hidden in the foliage, and there were zero cops nearby. About a minute later, an officer on a Shinobi motorcycle pulls up. Instead of doing an actual search—like looking around the property, checking other corners, or roleplaying a proper grid search—she drives straight to my exact bush. She circled it for 30 seconds and then "casually" checked it, acting on info her character logically did not have.
• Forced RP: After this highly questionable find, I was forced to sit there, play along, and take the arrest, fines, and jail time. There was zero effort on their end to create a fun or fair scenario; they just wanted the arrest.

The Double Standard with Forced RP

Furthermore, there is a massive double standard on this server when it comes to forced roleplay. If cops are allowed to skip standard investigative RP, ignore realistic search protocols, and basically refuse to provide quality roleplay for criminals, then criminals shouldn't be forced to roleplay with them in return. Roleplay is supposed to be a two-way street. If an officer's definition of "interaction" is just skipping the actual RP to secure a mechanical win, the victim should not be held hostage by server rules and forced to play out a completely corrupted scenario.

[excorcist]

Multiple players have already posted about this unfair double standard where forced RP only applies to criminals, not cops. and at certain points its very unfair, i understand certain situations where you do the crime you do the time but there should be some situations were unfair rp like this happens, crims shouldnt be forced to rp. because cops only have the win mentality. its unfair for the crims and civilians were sd/pd have the advantage and we just have to lay down and take it.

 

 

 

and especially for example if a cop dies, they face no repercussions and can get back on as leo as if nothing happened. but like us crims we have to work for what we lost but leo gives there stuff handed to them

[OneMile]

      I want to say that i was in similar situations with some cops that skiped the rp. Sometimes they are just aresting you without proper evidence because some of them can't RP, so instead picking fingerprints for evidence they are placing you with charges for things found on the groud that were't scaned for your prints.

      It is so sad this happens sometime. Yesterday a cop was fishing warants, me and my friends were in front of the Hospital and for no reason at all a cop showed up and starting to ask about our identities. 

[excorcist]

its sad that mutilple people make reports about bad quality, forced roleplay but admins never do anything about it. this server is in LEO's favor.

[Wolokai142]

You were found by way of tools/methods/tactics that LEOs have at their disposal. They did not need line-of-sight or otherwise to find you. Your position was not meta-gamed, you were seen visually through the bush wearing a bright-purple shirt.

 

Also, this is not the place for this sort of complaint. If you want it to reach Legal Faction Management and Ian Walter (Sheriff, LSSD Faction Lead) you'll have to file a complaint here: 

I'm sorry that you lost but the tools that were utilized to find you are well regulated and under the careful view/watchful eye of LFM and this deputies faction command.

[excorcist]

tools werent utilized dude, i hid, and the cop suspiciously came right up to my bush like they knew were i was. this isnt a "they had the right tools to find me" situation. this is a bad quality rp/forced rp situation that is very unfair towards non leo. 

idk why i even made this post cuz nobody is gonna do anything about this anyways but i want to get the point across about how unfair this server is towards leo and crim. 

 

I wanted to bring up a major issue regarding the server's current balancing. The bias toward Law Enforcement Officers (LEO) over criminal gameplay is getting out of hand. Just recently, I was hiding in a bush, and an officer came right up on me with zero realistic counterplay.

There is a reason why over half the player base is on LEO duty at any given time. People feel forced to play cop just to have a fair shot or actually win a situation. Because of this favoritism, egos within the LEO departments are way too high. Officers know they can get away with almost anything because the admin team consistently backs them up, no matter the context.

To be clear, this post isn't about reporting one specific officer or filing a faction complaint. This is a broader suggestion meant to address the overall health of the server. I am posting this here so the community can read it, discuss the balance shift, and share their own experiences regarding how crim versus cop interactions have been handling lately.

[AnakinB]

sounding like they used a thermal sniper to find ya brotha unlucky and stupid as shit but nothings gonna change on the server bro, crims are at pd expense on this server 

[excorcist]

true true yeah they definately coincidently had a thermal sniper on a rooftop right were i was lol

 

[padpilot]

Dont expect much rp from cops and you'll have a better time in the server

Edited 12 hours ago by padpilot

[excorcist]

ye true but its hard not too when there always up your a$$ 

Spoiler

 

 

[Wolokai142]

1 hour ago, AnakinB said:

sounding like they used a thermal sniper to find ya brotha unlucky and stupid as shit but nothings gonna change on the server bro, crims are at pd expense on this server 

Wasn't a thermal sniper.

[Wolokai142]

1 hour ago, excorcist said:

tools werent utilized dude, i hid, and the cop suspiciously came right up to my bush like they knew were i was. this isnt a "they had the right tools to find me" situation. this is a bad quality rp/forced rp situation that is very unfair towards non leo. 

idk why i even made this post cuz nobody is gonna do anything about this anyways but i want to get the point across about how unfair this server is towards leo and crim. 

Your lack of knowledge in what LEOs have at their disposal to locate criminals is understandable as you don't play LEO yourself (I assume), but you could take the curious route and ask around rather than post something inflammatory out of anger. Your belief of "Nobody is gonna do anything about this" is how you create a scenario where nobody is going to do anything about this. "CBA" mentality enables poor behavior that can be corrected, to continue. 
Should put in the feedback form, and don't listen to the other commenters here with the "lol same" mentality, because they don't have any knowledge of the level of restriction, restraint, and moderation LFM puts on police factions either.

Go ahead and put in your applications to LSPD and LSSD please, the lot of you, I'll have RED take a peek and you can get a first-hand look at the beginning of your complete 180 of perspective change. 

[excorcist]

you can literally ask any crim about leos reputation in this server and they will all say the same crap i did bro, you already lost this argument cuz everybody knows how leo is in this server and there bad quality rp half the time

 

 

i aready did put an app in btw, crazy you get failed for not rping sweating while working out but they dont get repercussions for having shitty rp like what happened earlier....................................... crazy you guys have double standards but you never hold them liable.

 

 

all you guys do is bully crims and civs and its unfair how you guys are bias towards leo its pretty sad

 

but il take you up on that offer, il have my legal character apply for sd in the next hour, hopefully i dont get declined again cuz i simply forget "/me sweats"

 

 I got failed for something as minor as not roleplaying sweating during a workout, which shows how strictly the double standards are applied to regular players. But when it comes to the actual RP world, you guys don't hold your own units liable for maintaining that same high standard.

Having access to tracking tools doesn't mean your officers get to skip basic roleplay. Even if a mechanic points a cop to a general area, driving a motorcycle straight into a specific bush without roleplaying a physical search or checking the perimeter is lazy. If I am held liable for every tiny detail on an application, your units should be held liable for actual roleplay quality in the field.

[sakkama]

dont even waste ur time g, its always been pd sided and that aint changing ever
80% of leos used to be crims and failed then switched and they now hungry to shoot with their free 150 ap and rifles
oops i forgot the snipers

[excorcist]

yes i KNOW THAT!!!!!!! lol but imma take this guy up on his offer! he wants me to apply to see there side i will, and if im wrong then il apologize. but imma get failed again cuz there double standards lol so they wont even get a chance to prove to me why they do the things they do!

[sakkama]

most of ppl that switched to pd be the same one cryin nonstop when they were crims, now they doin the same shit they used to complain about, truth is they dont really care about whats fair they just wanna get the W everytime they can, only a few ppl can actually look at things from both sides and care about FAIRNESS

[excorcist]

yea thats why im gonna apply, i bet they wont even accept me, get me for something like "lack of rp experience, please go to doc or ems" or some shit like that 

 

@Wolokai142ok i made an app

[padpilot]

2 hours ago, Wolokai142 said:

Wasn't a thermal sniper.

A thermal sniper, against crims... yall have an actual thermal sniper against crims....

Whoever is responsible for the game design should genuinely have a rethink on that one. Actually disappointed ngl. 

[padpilot]

1 hour ago, sakkama said:

most of ppl that switched to pd be the same one cryin nonstop when they were crims, now they doin the same shit they used to complain about, truth is they dont really care about whats fair they just wanna get the W everytime they can, only a few ppl can actually look at things from both sides and care about FAIRNESS

Exactly why my crew has an OOC rule, no cop alts... you start a cop alt and you gonna get yeeted.  Lol

[AtlasOLimbo]

As someone who has mained both crim & LEO, at one point both, neither side can see the other's valid points and just constantly generalizes and cries about the other. As this thread shows. Shit ain't gonna change anytime soon.

 

[Wolokai142]

3 hours ago, padpilot said:

A thermal sniper, against crims... yall have an actual thermal sniper against crims....

Whoever is responsible for the game design should genuinely have a rethink on that one. Actually disappointed ngl. 

Point proven that you dont have any idea what cops have/dont have access too.

 

Folks, do your homework if you don't mind yeah? Its not *all* cops, just like its not *all* crims. I could take the time to list e v e r y single thing that criminals have done to leos equally, but I'm discussing mis-information not dig into the whole "anti-cop/crim" argument, its a never ending circle. Ill give pads a pass since he only just recently returned to the community and maybe isn't up to date on a few changes around here, but its that kind of misinformed posting that creates problems and makes rifts. 

You all can continue to just ride the merry-go-round and keep up the "W cops/cop server" here if you'd like, or you know just...fill out the feedback form, and do a little research on what the police ACTUALLY have access to, and maybe how you were found out.

That's all from me, good luck.

[jason]

The best thing I can recommend is to play both sides of things and observe how much of both sides gets explained to you! The #1 thing I see when a criminal or LEO main makes a character to play the inverse is that they have far more enjoyment when interacting with either side as the reasoning behind actions that may seem asinine become clear.

I can understand your frustration, but berating the quality of an entire player group of which you do not have enough experience with to speak on is not the way to voice it. If you have a suggestion for changes, make them in the appropriate areas with respect to the other players.

Moving forward if the comments continue to be pessimistic and rude towards other players, it'll just be locked and archived as nothing productive or kind is coming of it.

TL;DR, play all different styles of roleplay and the reasons for things you may be unsure about become clear; you'll have more fun. If you were denied from a faction for x reason, improve upon that reason and try again.

[padpilot]

1 hour ago, Wolokai142 said:

Point proven that you dont have any idea what cops have/dont have access too.

 

Folks, do your homework if you don't mind yeah? Its not *all* cops, just like its not *all* crims. I could take the time to list e v e r y single thing that criminals have done to leos equally, but I'm discussing mis-information not dig into the whole "anti-cop/crim" argument, its a never ending circle. Ill give pads a pass since he only just recently returned to the community and maybe isn't up to date on a few changes around here, but its that kind of misinformed posting that creates problems and makes rifts. 

You all can continue to just ride the merry-go-round and keep up the "W cops/cop server" here if you'd like, or you know just...fill out the feedback form, and do a little research on what the police ACTUALLY have access to, and maybe how you were found out.

That's all from me, good luck.

Yeah I genuinely do not have a clue what weapons LEO have, appreciated you understanding me returning and my info being wishy washy at best. 

I do think though that "do you homework" can often be met with "find out IC". Many many people genuinely do try to understand the other side more, not to win the rp but to simply enhance it and this is difficult when you can't ask OOC. 

 

That being said since ive returned cops genuinely just give out this information anyways. This was against the faction policy in 2019 but it seems that this is no longer the case. 

You could probably just ask a cop in game and they will tell you anyways, no one seems to give a shit about rp standards anymore ngl and unless we have a cultural shift before the trx to fiveM i only see this getting worse. 

Edited 4 hours ago by padpilot

[Wolokai142]

53 minutes ago, padpilot said:

Yeah I genuinely do not have a clue what weapons LEO have, appreciated you understanding me returning and my info being wishy washy at best. 

I do think though that "do you homework" can often be met with "find out IC". Many many people genuinely do try to understand the other side more, not to win the rp but to simply enhance it and this is difficult when you can't ask OOC. 

 

That being said since ive returned cops genuinely just give out this information anyways. This was against the faction policy in 2019 but it seems that this is no longer the case. 

You could probably just ask a cop in game and they will tell you anyways, no one seems to give a shit about rp standards anymore ngl and unless we have a cultural shift before the trx to fiveM i only see this getting worse. 

Thats what the new LFM/FM systems and teams are crunching to do. With both teams working on full speed we are going through a slow social reform community wise, but we're talking trying to undo at least 7-8 years of built up stigma. 

Leos in *some* areas can be a bit more forgiving with some information, but obviously they cant show everything behind the magic curtain.

The best mentality to have is "if LEOs are using x/y/z or doing a/b/c its being regulated by LFM, even if they cant tell me." If you find that anything you do IS of poor quality rp wise or an issue balancing wise, its what that faction feedback form is for.

I have personally seen the conversations and reviews of these forms, they are looked at.