Demonmit1 Posted July 15, 2025 Report Posted July 15, 2025 Previously, the risk vs reward for doing ATM Hijacking was horrible. The only reason to do it was to bait a chase for fun, it was extremely rare to get away from law enforcement, and I overall like the changes made, and now people are more regularly doing them and sucesseeding, proving they're worth doing. overall it was a great swing in the right direction. I have one issue with it though, as I think it's been buffed just slightly too far, and recommend a minor change. [ATM Hijack] Removed vehicle speed debuff [ATM Hijack] Lowered length of tracker by 40% These two changes combined together is... the core of the problem, when combined with the very slow map updates for the tracker to ping the current location. Here are a couple modifications I would recommend, starting from what I think is the most fair to the least. 1. dont change anything, but increase the frequency of the GPS updates on the location for law enforcement. the current timer is like 30 seconds between pings, when thats combined with much shorter battery life and no speed debuff, its getting to the point of being extremely difficult to even gain visual of the ATM/car, especially when the physical ATM and Rope almost always invisible to law enforcement if we get a glimps of a car that may be the thief. 2. Change the vehicle speed debuff depending on the vehicle type. Its become extremely common for super cars or "meta" sports cars to pull an ATM, go 240, and never get caught. Vehicles like Offroad class or SUV class, larger vehicles make sense to not have a debuff, but supers/sports should have the debuff re-enabled. 3. just pick one, either no debuff, or shorter tracker time, but not both. personally im not a fan of this option but it would also be an easy fix 1 Quote
Assured Posted July 15, 2025 Report Posted July 15, 2025 +1 I think it'd be great to increase the time of the ATM tracking device or the frequency of it's pings if the vehicles are able to move at such high speeds with the ATM attached as it's currently nearly impossible to try and catch them now with 240 cars being used regularly for it. Quote
Cup Posted July 15, 2025 Report Posted July 15, 2025 I would just have it ping its location quicker. No need for the tracker to last longer 1 Quote
Dakota14 Posted July 16, 2025 Report Posted July 16, 2025 Having to chase meta cars constantly is much more frustrating than anything. This update is making it very hard to enjoy these kinds of pursuits. Every ATM robbery is a high speed or super that we can barely keep up with. What should happen is that the speed debuff is applied to sports cars while off-road vehicles are able to keep their speed. 1 Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted July 16, 2025 Report Posted July 16, 2025 8 hours ago, Dakota14 said: Having to chase meta cars constantly is much more frustrating than anything. This update is making it very hard to enjoy these kinds of pursuits. Every ATM robbery is a high speed or super that we can barely keep up with. What should happen is that the speed debuff is applied to sports cars while off-road vehicles are able to keep their speed. - debuf on sportscars. You start heading that way and you will get a debuff for everything on those cars, it never stops. why get such a car in the first place then? also just be happy you get to chase something, maybe harder than other cars, but if we crims stop doing it. Your back to your speeding ticket routine. So just be happy Quote
Demonmit1 Posted July 16, 2025 Author Report Posted July 16, 2025 1 hour ago, Ritchie Stones said: also just be happy you get to chase something thats the thing, it doesnt become a chase cause people are now able to go 240 with an ATM and it only pings once every 30 seconds, for a max of 3 minutes. Its not even a chase, its just gone. max speed on the server is 240, so you can never catch up to even get eyes on the vehicle. Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted July 16, 2025 Report Posted July 16, 2025 6 hours ago, Demonmit1 said: thats the thing, it doesnt become a chase cause people are now able to go 240 with an ATM and it only pings once every 30 seconds, for a max of 3 minutes. Its not even a chase, its just gone. max speed on the server is 240, so you can never catch up to even get eyes on the vehicle. 240 going is fine, maybe the ping can be better Quote
CalvinKlein Posted July 17, 2025 Report Posted July 17, 2025 its ok, there is a heli out 24-7 and so often if the heli makes it in time for the tracker, the chase is on regardless of vehicle. Quote
USA3535 Posted July 17, 2025 Report Posted July 17, 2025 34 minutes ago, CalvinKlein said: its ok, there is a heli out 24-7 and so often if the heli makes it in time for the tracker, the chase is on regardless of vehicle. Not totally true, Heli's aren't out as much as you think. Most of the times Heli's only go up when a pursuit is called out, or like now those atm's Quote
CalvinKlein Posted July 17, 2025 Report Posted July 17, 2025 13 minutes ago, USA3535 said: Not totally true, Heli's aren't out as much as you think. Most of the times Heli's only go up when a pursuit is called out, or like now those atm's I play as a cop brudda Quote
Requiem Posted July 17, 2025 Report Posted July 17, 2025 I am fine with the new changes for vehicle speed and tracking time being reduced. Its nice to see this activity actually being used now. The change I would recommend to make it more balance and realistic is to only allow "heavy" vehicles to pull the ATM out. Vehicles such as kamacho, brawler, trophy truck, terminus, etc. Don't allow sports cars to pull the atm out, or if they do give them a speed or handling debuff. Quote
Diddern Posted July 17, 2025 Report Posted July 17, 2025 2 hours ago, Requiem said: I am fine with the new changes for vehicle speed and tracking time being reduced. Its nice to see this activity actually being used now. The change I would recommend to make it more balance and realistic is to only allow "heavy" vehicles to pull the ATM out. Vehicles such as kamacho, brawler, trophy truck, terminus, etc. Don't allow sports cars to pull the atm out, or if they do give them a speed or handling debuff. Thing is, how are you supposed to evade if you are in a car at a disadvantage. I get meta cars are too op, but so is helicopter too... If you add a speed debuff again you are going to kill the activity again. Increase the time for ATM battery to run out and make the pings a bit more frequent. also when driving fast, most of the time you dont see the "/do atm would run out of battery" as you are too far away from the ATM when its being dragged behind you, so you dont know when to stop... (200+-) Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted July 17, 2025 Report Posted July 17, 2025 2 hours ago, Diddern said: Thing is, how are you supposed to evade if you are in a car at a disadvantage. I get meta cars are too op, but so is helicopter too... If you add a speed debuff again you are going to kill the activity again. Increase the time for ATM battery to run out and make the pings a bit more frequent. also when driving fast, most of the time you dont see the "/do atm would run out of battery" as you are too far away from the ATM when its being dragged behind you, so you dont know when to stop... (200+-) Correct.. reality is plain simple. Are crims doing these activity’s or are they not, you can argue with results. If they not doing it. It means they see no reward vs the risk. i fail to understand why cops dont see how everyone wins when crime peaks. If every crim would do those crimes on a daily base. They would also have a lot more action for themself. And more chance in getting some in the cuffs because not everyone is as smart. but i dont want to make this a crim vs cop thing. I just think that. Crime skyrocketing would not be a bad thing for the server Quote
Demonmit1 Posted July 17, 2025 Author Report Posted July 17, 2025 The current "meta" is grab a 240kph sport, pull an atm, and b-line to cayo. Straight line at 240, no one, not even a heli can attempt to keep up with you. There is never a chase, never a chance for a chase. There is no risk for the reward. Which is why I said they've been buffed too far. Sports need the speed debuff, or just shouldn't be capable of pulling an ATM off a wall. Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted July 17, 2025 Report Posted July 17, 2025 6 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said: The current "meta" is grab a 240kph sport, pull an atm, and b-line to cayo. Straight line at 240, no one, not even a heli can attempt to keep up with you. There is never a chase, never a chance for a chase. There is no risk for the reward. Which is why I said they've been buffed too far. Sports need the speed debuff, or just shouldn't be capable of pulling an ATM off a wall. Before anything. I have like 6-7meta super cars. I NEVER use them in a crime. I despise people using those cars for crime. I hate it… but putting restrictions on those cars is something that once you go there. It wil never stop pushing that boundary of more restrictions. Eventualy it wil be” what is the point in having any better car at all, restricting freedom is something that end really bad, maybe instead. Make it that if those “meta” cars get cought, the impound is 20k to 40k like… im in !! You want toncommit a crime in a super car? Pay the super price haha Quote
Requiem Posted July 18, 2025 Report Posted July 18, 2025 18 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said: Before anything. I have like 6-7meta super cars. I NEVER use them in a crime. I despise people using those cars for crime. I hate it… but putting restrictions on those cars is something that once you go there. It wil never stop pushing that boundary of more restrictions. Eventualy it wil be” what is the point in having any better car at all, restricting freedom is something that end really bad, maybe instead. Make it that if those “meta” cars get cought, the impound is 20k to 40k like… im in !! You want toncommit a crime in a super car? Pay the super price haha I think you are misunderstanding. Everyone agrees the ATM hijacking needed a buff. I still feel that it should remain buffed to encourage criminals to still do the activity. It's just silly though to steal ATMs with a super car that goes 240 constantly. Just address that one issue and the rest is fine. Quote
Ritchie Stones Posted July 19, 2025 Report Posted July 19, 2025 On 7/18/2025 at 4:11 PM, Requiem said: I think you are misunderstanding. Everyone agrees the ATM hijacking needed a buff. I still feel that it should remain buffed to encourage criminals to still do the activity. It's just silly though to steal ATMs with a super car that goes 240 constantly. Just address that one issue and the rest is fine. Yeah. Doing crime in a super fancy car, like, italy gto, niobe, ignus. Stuff like that is total bs. And should be considered a nonrp. Quote
addybeta Posted July 20, 2025 Report Posted July 20, 2025 ahhh yes let me attach an ATM to my supercar and drive 240 throughout the city while dragging it. I mean come on really? Im usually an advocate for crims, but this is ridiculous. You strive for realism from LEO, but this is what you have to offer? Supercars need a 20-30% reduction in speed when dragging an ATM, and Off-road vehicles can keep the same speed. Quote
alexalex303 Posted July 20, 2025 Report Posted July 20, 2025 (edited) On 7/17/2025 at 10:10 PM, Ritchie Stones said: i fail to understand why cops dont see how everyone wins when crime peaks. If every crim would do those crimes on a daily base. They would also have a lot more action for themself. And more chance in getting some in the cuffs because not everyone is as smart. but i dont want to make this a crim vs cop thing. I just think that. Crime skyrocketing would not be a bad thing for the server Increasing crime doesn't mean that the increased criminal activity is fun for anyone or good RP. You could remove DM rules and a lot more crime would be happening, doesn't mean it will be good. Attaching an ATM to a Niobe and doing 240 with it attached is just silly. Edited July 20, 2025 by alexalex303 Quote
Demonmit1 Posted July 24, 2025 Author Report Posted July 24, 2025 yep, its basically just to the point where law enforcement dont even bother chasing ATMs anymore, as they have been buffed to such an extreme its impossible to catch them. just spent the last 2 hours chasing 15 ATMs, never caught a single one. everyone clocked off. enjoy the free money till it gets balanced properly i guess. Quote
Earl Mud Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 The buff makes sense due to their not being much reward for the previous risk. Atm grab nets you around 2-3k. I do feel like sports cars shouldn't be able to pull them. Only bigger vehicles like trucks, subs, etc. Quote
Demonmit1 Posted July 24, 2025 Author Report Posted July 24, 2025 7 minutes ago, Earl Mud said: The buff makes sense due to their not being much reward for the previous risk. Atm grab nets you around 2-3k. afaik the value has been signifyingly buffed to 7-9k on average. on the rare chance we've managed to catch someone, the single packed cash has been 8kish Quote
Earl Mud Posted July 24, 2025 Report Posted July 24, 2025 9 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said: afaik the value has been signifyingly buffed to 7-9k on average. on the rare chance we've managed to catch someone, the single packed cash has been 8kish Then i wonder if its affected by if someone did a regular crowbar robbery earlier that day cause I did 3 and each of them i was only getting 2-3k after the update. I havent done many since so I may have just unlucky. Either way sports cars shouldn't pull them only big vehicles. Quote