Echo Anti-Cheat PC Scans

[Lucasxo]

The amount of blatant cheaters has definitely increased, anyone with knowledge of PvP mechanics or someone who is good/experienced with this can tell pretty clearly when someone is cheating yet they take months to get banned. Although I agree with the program looking slightly intrusive, something needs to change so I would personally be willing to do a PC check If I was suspected of cheating, providing it was just a check for cheats or programs of that nature, I value my privacy.

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@Clank +1

The amount of cheaters/ban evaders have increased tremendously, to add onto this please make the quiz more strict and in depth seems way too easy nowadays.

[exaal]

+1

 

[dominator]

obv all the cheaters would downvote this thread.

so +1 but maybe this isn't too good either, need something better, like faceit has, for cs2.

[Ritchie Stones]

13 hours ago, Clank said:

Hi, I don't really post many suggestions but I figured I'd throw one up.

Many FiveM servers use EchoAC to scan for any known cheating clients. They get you in a channel on discord, make you screenshare clicking the auto generated link and then it performs a non intrusive scan that looks through large collections of GTA5 RP cheat repositories.

If someone refuses, they get banned.

If someone fails, they get banned.

If someone doesn't screenshare themselves using the scan, they get banned.

If someone takes longer than 5 minutes to join the discord FOR the scan, they get banned.

Pretty simple!

 

Kinda needed at this point with the amount of closet cheaters on the server.

 

https://echo.ac

 

Here is an example of a scan performed on a cheater in a GTARP server.

https://scan.echo.ac/6e5e0358-b4d2-4554-a51e-820ac5c058f0

thats very extreem measures, you can not expect someone to share that much privacy for a video game, and then ban them right away for taking on misstep, i probably dont even know how thiss works so does that mean i get banned to ? i really have other stuf on my mind like running my bussyness that i make my living from.
 

[alexalex303]

2 hours ago, Rage. said:

everyone keeps saying that it’s a great idea but they are worried about privacy concerns.

i don’t think you people get that this is the best we will get. the cheater problem has only gone up over the years and has had no decrease. sure ecrp has a shitty anti cheat that detects blatant cheats, but how else is there to go about it? 

there is literally no other way for cheaters to get caught unless they are blatantly looking through walls while being spectated. if you have an above average iq and realize staff spectate you, it is not that hard to not look thru walls and be blatant.

how else is there to catch cheaters? wait for staff for months and months collecting evidence while the player base suffers from these cheaters while you collect “undeniable evidence”?

this is the best we can get. this is a step closer to a cheater free server, but everyone is just denying it? i don’t get it. everyone keeps complaining about cheaters but when something that is suggested that can possibly get rid of 90% of cheaters, people are scared. you should have nothing to worry about if you aren’t cheating. your pc will not be looked through if you aren’t suspected of cheating; simple as.

make your own AC, use echo, or figure something out. it’s almost getting unplayable with the amount of cheaters and there has been nothing done about it.

cheating sucks but its unfortunately a given for any pc game, and with stuff like cronus even consoles aren't safe from cheating; look at Valorant, a game made by one of the biggest gaming companies in the world, competitive from the ground up with a modern anti-cheat, and they still have cheaters.

I think your expectations are just too high for a mod of a console port from 2013, the MP side of the game was never meant to be this big, and neither was the mod (rage mp), you can ask people to install rootkits or other crazy things, but outside of a very dedicated to pvp bubble, most people aren't willing to give all of the personal info to a random startup managed by gamers.

I think you need to accept the server for what it is, and focus on enjoying your time with your friends, rather than worrying about other people cheating or not, and you will have a much better time. 

[Jordan]

I like the idea of pushing more anti- cheating methods but this is not it.

[Rage.]

30 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

cheating sucks but its unfortunately a given for any pc game, and with stuff like cronus even consoles aren't safe from cheating; look at Valorant, a game made by one of the biggest gaming companies in the world, competitive from the ground up with a modern anti-cheat, and they still have cheaters.

I think your expectations are just too high for a mod of a console port from 2013, the MP side of the game was never meant to be this big, and neither was the mod (rage mp), you can ask people to install rootkits or other crazy things, but outside of a very dedicated to pvp bubble, most people aren't willing to give all of the personal info to a random startup managed by gamers.

I think you need to accept the server for what it is, and focus on enjoying your time with your friends, rather than worrying about other people cheating or not, and you will have a much better time. 

“accept that there will be cheaters, do nothing about it and let it keep going”. 

awesome mindset to have bro, thank you for your contribution to this thread you’re really helping

[Flaviosas]

+1 
they also use "storms" it scans your pc and it doesnt get any private info it only shows what files or cheats that u're using so if u're suspecting someone ask them to come discord , they can install storms from its main website and then u give them a code they put it in and you have access to check if they're cheating or not, it does auto scan u have no access to the other person's pc. 

[Harveyyy]

4 minutes ago, Flaviosas said:

+1 
they also use "storms" it scans your pc and it doesnt get any private info it only shows what files or cheats that u're using so if u're suspecting someone ask them to come discord , they can install storms from its main website and then u give them a code they put it in and you have access to check if they're cheating or not, it does auto scan u have no access to the other person's pc. 

What if the player says no because they value their privacy regardless of how the anti cheat work? See, the issue with this, is the moment you say “No, I value my privacy”, you're gonna become guilty in senior staff’s view, because that’s how shit works here. It doesn’t matter if you’re cheating or not, the only thing that matters, is what they think of you. Looking back, I can see how this entire approach could lead to problems later on.

[Alannn]

huge +1 i agree with @Rage.. greatest suggestion i've ever seen, its literally unplayable half of the server are cheating yet no one knows about it even if you report someone the admins will just say not "enough evidence" i don't think theres even an anticheat on this server the people that get banned i think the admins have to just spectate them for a month or more to collect "evidence" and then ban them this would be the best idea to stop em.

 

[Carl Vespucci]

+1 as someone who doesn't really like pvping on ECRP, I would like to see it become more fair for everyone. I could understand how its frustrating and if not this maybe some extra measures to help expedite the process of weeding out cheaters. 

Edited June 9, 2025 by Carl Vespucci

[Charlie Mchoe]

I agree with this, however it will most likely not happen at all. 

would be nice to see a cheating detection team whose job is to spectate players who are suspected and make decisions. I understand this is already done to some extent but with the recent players I've seen I think it could use some improvement.

[Flaviosas]

11 hours ago, Harveyyy said:

What if the player says no because they value their privacy regardless of how the anti cheat work? See, the issue with this, is the moment you say “No, I value my privacy”, you're gonna become guilty in senior staff’s view, because that’s how shit works here. It doesn’t matter if you’re cheating or not, the only thing that matters, is what they think of you. Looking back, I can see how this entire approach could lead to problems later on.

i know, but with the thing that i've mentionned no one can access your pc , its just a trusted software that you install and the software checks your pc and gives the result to the hosting party, it has 0 access on the pc

[Fancyme]

echo ac is solid. you don't even really need to share your screen though it means you could potentially fake it, you click the link and it sends the results to the sender of the link. It is used by big fivem servers and the majority of people commenting about it would never have to even deal with it - sorry to hurt your feelings. It's not required to be downloaded unless you are being checked. It's not that big of a infringement of privacy but as I said you wont even need to think about it, download it, nothing, if you are not suspicious or cheating. I understand people's concerns with privacy but again 90% of people here won't ever have to run it.

I even scanned my pc! I have Riots Vanguard, ACE etc all kernel level anti-cheats which I don't mind as I get fair games majority of the time. Maybe it isn't the answer but from the thread there is clearly a problem that is out of control.

Edited June 10, 2025 by Fancyme

[Bala]

The unfortunate reality though, is that while for some of you this might not be a sticking point or you don't don't feel it is invasive, others will and won't want to play as a result.

There is a cheating problem but I also think it's been a minute since we've looked into our own anticheat, I'd rather rely on the devil we know and rely on what we have in-house than potentially trust a third party with their definition of what might be cheating.

I think this would be a controversial decision, at a time where I'm not sure we can afford to make them.

[alexalex303]

2 hours ago, Fancyme said:

I even scanned my pc! I have Riots Vanguard, ACE etc all kernel level anti-cheats which I don't mind as I get fair games majority of the time. Maybe it isn't the answer but from the thread there is clearly a problem that is out of control.

The difference is two fold.

First, Valorant, CSGO (faceit, esea) and all of those are competitive games where PvP is THE activity. This is a roleplay server, pvp happens but it should never be the main thing you do on the server. Forcing people to install applications to secure what should be at most 10% of a person's activity is crazy.

Second, Riot, Faceit and other specialized companies are either very big or very old. I wouldn't of installed faceit anti-cheat in 2015, and I won't install this random new company's intrusive software now. I understand that some fiveM servers might use it, but are they roleplay servers? from what I've been told it's main DM servers that use it.

[Phantas]

7 hours ago, Charlie Mchoe said:

I agree with this, however it will most likely not happen at all. 

would be nice to see a cheating detection team whose job is to spectate players who are suspected and make decisions. I understand this is already done to some extent but with the recent players I've seen I think it could use some improvement.

I wouldnt trust a person to guess a cheater or not seeing as we in the past have had an old man banned for having shaky hands. 

[dominator]

Most of the people commenting here probably won't need to be scanned or anything. The main point of this extreme measure should be for people who are always hitting shots with insane accuracy and constantly pvping. Either they focus on RP, or get scanned if they just logon and roll labs. This includes GND. 

Edited June 10, 2025 by dominator

[alexalex303]

50 minutes ago, dominator said:

Most of the people commenting here probably won't need to be scanned or anything. The main point of this extreme measure should be for people who are always hitting shots with insane accuracy and constantly pvping. Either they focus on RP, or get scanned if they just logon and roll labs. This includes GND. 

this kind of attitude is why a system like this will never actually be reserved for 0.1% of players suspected of cheating, it will start that way, then eventually it will just be another tool people use to try to get people in trouble because they lost a situation.

right now the tool is making a forum report just to get people in trouble, with something like this, "this cop came to a lab therefore hes pvping a lot I think hes cheating", now he has to install malware or be banned permanently. 

[Fancyme]

3 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

Forcing people to install applications to secure what should be at most 10% of a person's activity is crazy.

The vast majority would not have to even know what it is. I’m not saying this should be the definite answer. But say you are chasing someone who is suspected of cheating. You get some evidence that may not be defining enough. You can pull them aside and request the scan. It’s not an anti-cheat per se it’s a PC checker for people that don’t know how to PC check. It doesn’t need to be installed the whole time and once it’s done you can delete the file.

 

3 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

. I wouldn't have installed faceit anti-cheat in 2015, and I won't install this random new company's intrusive software now.

You wouldn’t have to unless you were suspected of cheating. As I said the vast vast majority of players wouldn’t have to even concern themselves with it. I’m not saying, he was reported for cheating scan him more like an extra piece of evidence if they have reasonable suspicion.

 

3 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

but are they roleplay servers? from what I've been told it's main DM servers that use it.

One of the largest roleplay servers on there use it and number of smaller ones and also DM servers yes.

 

Echo AC doesn’t even need to be used there are other offline scanners etc as Apex mentioned that scan way less. I wouldn’t personally recommend storm as from what I found online a common cheat on ragemp can bypass it.

Edited June 10, 2025 by Fancyme

[AnnoyingOne]

You are still being forced to download and run some random software if people think you are cheating, or you are getting the broom for refusing it.

In my eyes, for me, that is a lose lose situation. Especially when I know that these PC checkers are useless for any serious cheaters. If someone is willing to drop 250€ on a Niobe, they can get a DMA card for same money and be undetected.

Even Valorant, which has been the staple of the best AC (at the cost of how intrusive it is) , struggles with DMA cards

Edited June 10, 2025 by isBrainDed

[Fancyme]

Again, you don’t need to use this specific program there are far less intrusive ones on the market that can help staff combat the problem. Sure PvP doesn’t make up the server but you can easily cheat outside of pvp with these clients that give character names etc, they can use these in more than just pvp scenarios. I also again don’t mean to use it because someone says he’s cheating or a couple people think someone’s cheating. I believe it should be used in a case of having strong suspicion just can’t get the evidence or not enough evidence etc. 
 

Its pretty hard for staff that aren’t clued up in pvp to learn what to look for outside straight 0 0 aimbot or aiming at a guys head through 10 walls. Obviously not their fault nor should they be able to however making a cheat investigation team doesn’t seem possible in that regard.

 

Off topic, I know. In terms of DMAs, they aren’t just as simple as buying a singular card and you can load some cheats on it but if someone is going to them lengths, I mean god save them really. They may deserve the loot at that point. Although, it’s off topic you can look up gamerdoc on twitter. He is high up in Riots anti cheat for valorant and documents some of the stuff he’s up to and mocks cheaters. 

[Charlie Mchoe]

5 hours ago, Phantas said:

I wouldnt trust a person to guess a cheater or not seeing as we in the past have had an old man banned for having shaky hands. 

He was raw, but fr I mean it happened once.

I can definitely tell when someone is cheating sign me up

[Billy Valentine]

To people who keep commenting about how this would be "ineffective" and others saying they are not going to click on a possible suspicious link, especially when provided by a server staff member.

I'm not entirely sure how big you all are in the PVP aspect of the server, but as of now, it is infested with cheaters. Countless people who are thought to be just good at the game, really aren't and are using some form of third-party software to enhance their gameplay. This is getting proven day after day with, shall I say, bigger-named players getting banned for cheating. I'm sure that certain members of the staff team are quite good at determining if a player is cheating or not but, something does need to be done.

I can understand not wanting to click on a link provided by a staff member as it could very well be malicious and even though they are staff and should be trusted, plenty of people will never trust such things.

I like the thoughts of an actual cheating investigation team as I do think if staff members simply just spectated some of these newer players running labs constantly they would easily be able to compile evidence on them and proceed with a ban.
Especially after the more recent change with the head admin ranking structure, I don't see how it could be a problem to put together a division that solely focuses on finding and banning cheaters.

Edited June 10, 2025 by Billy Valentine