COPS / CRIM

[Flaviosas]

Hi, i have some suggestions.

- nerf/remove mk2 guns 

- Heli can be used in raids or big robberies like bank robbery ( not every poursuit its not fun)

- remove snipers and thermals 

- Max AP for crim is 75 and for cops is 100

- Add more value to small robberies , more rewards 

- Add something else to crim to do as a group, an activity to gain money  so we get less people in labs and try something new and fun to do. ( i dont have an idea rn but people might post some)

- GND must stop rolling labs as an undercover and bait demands this happened many times as well.

Edited June 6, 2025 by Flaviosas

[WindEZ]

+ 1 

[las]

i just wanna know what pd/sd would think about this one

is +1 for me REMOVE MK2 PLEASE

[alexalex303]

4 minutes ago, Flaviosas said:

Hi, i have some suggestions.

- nerf/remove mk2 guns 

- Heli can be used in raids or big robberies like bank robbery ( not every poursuit its not fun)

- remove snipers and thermals 

- Max AP for crim is 75 and for cops is 100

- Add more value to small robberies , more rewards 

- Add something else to crim to do a group activity to get money with so we get less people in labs and try something new and fun to do. ( i dont have an idea rn but people might post some)

I support all of these other than the helicopter restriction, unless we also remove all HSW mods/vehicles. There's a list of like twenty vehicles that are busted and can not be chased without your own or a helicopter. 

I believe all MK II weapons should be made so you can no longer shoot them, and we add a command to /refund them for street price. 

Edited June 6, 2025 by alexalex303

[Spizor]

If the max AP for cops is 150 and so is crim, why does that need to change? If anything you're nerfing the criminal side.

You can lose heli very easily, having a heli out doesn't mean it's a guarantee to get caught, I've lost the heli many times (yes, I have played crim before, I have mained it, and I have been in multiple gangs).

You can lose thermal the same way you'd lose a heli.

As for the GND comment, why is this not being reported, if you're so sure that this happens all the time?

[Flaviosas]

1 minute ago, Spizor said:

If the max AP for cops is 150 and so is crim, why does that need to change? If anything you're nerfing the criminal side. You can lose heli very easily, having a heli out doesn't mean it's a guarantee to get caught, I've lost the heli many times (yes, I have played crim before, I have mained it, and I have been in multiple gangs).

 

only 3 gangs had access to 150AP not every crim and they didnt get that much so if crim max AP is 75 and cops max AP is 100 it would be okay no ? 
 

[HobGoblin]

I agree with everything other than the heli.

GND aren't going around to labs for no reason, you can OOC IA if you want something to be looked into. Every report is checked and you'll find 99.9% of the time they did nothing wrong.

[Sarahh]

1 minute ago, Spizor said:

so is crim

Max AP crim is 100 not 150
 

 

1 minute ago, Spizor said:

yes, I have played crim before

I guess last time you have played Crim 2019-2020 

 

2 minutes ago, Spizor said:

As for the GND comment, why is this not being reported, if you're so sure that this happens all the time

I reported it myself, but nothing happened because they said they had IC information and a way to find out about the lab that they couldn’t share with others.
To be honest, if there’s a script or something like that involved, we’d like to know.

[WindEZ]

Im down for AP to be equal. Its only fair for that like George said

Then FM have to decide who gets it and why, and thats your concern

[Alannn]

i agree with everything other than the heli if u cant lose a heli its a skill issue!!, and remove the MK2s please i don't wanna get slammed within 2sec without even knowing who is shooitng me.

[Spizor]

2 minutes ago, Sarahh said:

I guess last time you have played Crim 2019-2020 

No, Sarah, the last time I played was not 2019. I have been in multiple gangs recently other than Zetas. Losing the heli is not hard, and if you lose the heli, you'll also lose thermal. Thermals aren't wallhack.

5 minutes ago, Sarahh said:

I reported it myself, but nothing happened because they said they had IC information and a way to find out about the lab that they couldn’t share with others.
To be honest, if there’s a script or something like that involved, we’d like to know.

If nothing came out of it then that most likely means they haven't done anything wrong. If someone from GND had actually done something wrong, they'd be punished whether it's IC or OOC. 

[Flaviosas]

3 minutes ago, Spizor said:

 you'll also lose thermal. Thermals aren't wallhack.

 

oh yes they are my friend if u loose heli and cops then hide in a bush far away and he finds you with thermal that's not fun

[dominator]

21 minutes ago, Flaviosas said:

- remove mk2 guns 

- Heli can be used in raids or big robberies like bank robbery ( not every poursuit its not fun)

- remove snipers and thermals 

- Max AP for crim is 75 and for cops is 100

- Add more value to small robberies , more rewards 

- Add something else to crim to do as a group, an activity to gain money  so we get less people in labs and try something new and fun to do. ( i dont have an idea rn but people might post some)

- GND must stop rolling labs as an undercover and bait demands this happened many times as well.

+1

Remove MK2s its RP server not TDM

Edited June 6, 2025 by dominator

[vicariouszer0]

+1 to all of these 

 snipers have been proven to be broken multiple times, shooting directly through cover just because there out of render range should already be NRP. thermals also give a wildly unfair advantage when it again works from a distance where world items don't render negating any cover which a character may be using to hide themselves.

 

[SquirtleSquad]

This tread will be monitored, but as it has been mentioned in the past for LEO's:

They do not have 175, 200, 500, 5000000 AP available. Anything beyond 100 is reserved for special divisions and under special circumstances. The fact that this rumor continues to be spread despite multiple High Command of PD and SD debunking this is just outlandish. Stop spreading this, and move on to ACTUAL meaningful discussions.

[SquirtleSquad]

Please give this a read through regarding general LEO weapon and armor usage, as Osborn carefully took the time to debunk and clarify a lot of things from SD's side. Now before you start spouting that the issue is PD, note that he touches on areas that are for both PD and SD.

 

[Jokl]

1 hour ago, Flaviosas said:

- nerf/remove mk2 guns 

- Heli can be used in raids or big robberies like bank robbery ( not every poursuit its not fun)

- remove snipers and thermals 

- Max AP for crim is 75 and for cops is 100

- Add more value to small robberies , more rewards 

- Add something else to crim to do as a group, an activity to gain money  so we get less people in labs and try something new and fun to do. ( i dont have an idea rn but people might post some)

- GND must stop rolling labs as an undercover and bait demands this happened many times as well.

- Nerf/remove mk2 guns +1

- AIR-1/ALPHA is fine as it is, if you know what you are doing, are a good driver, its not that hard to loose the helicopter, skill issue. 

- Snipers is a normal/realistic gun for METRO/SED to deploy for situations where it is needed, covered by regulations and mostly used in situations where crims provoked it to be deployed. (The regulations for thermal can be more strict imo.) (Dont forget you should not be able to win in a fight vs cops, realisticly crims rarely do that..) 

- The AP's as it is is fine I belive

- Rest is content suggestions, and I am all in for that, specially towards crim RP. This is more and more going towards a cop & robbers server, so why not focus the development towards the one side that can proved the cops with RP. 

- GND is not rolling labs undercover with no reason...if they are there, its a reason, be smart. 

[Rage.]

29 minutes ago, SquirtleSquad said:

They do not have 175, 200, 500, 5000000 AP available. Anything beyond 100 is reserved for special divisions and under special circumstances.

pick an answer bro you are literally contradicting yourself. they either don't have it or they do but its limited to special divisions... in which case they do have it?

[Normal]

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

I believe all MK II weapons should be made so you can no longer shoot them, and we add a command to /refund them for street price. 

street price varies this makes 0 sense, one gang gets say a pump mk2 for 40k while some get it for 70k it all depends on the ic relations between the gangs and the tax established, i know shadows when we had the MGMK2 had some gangs buying JUST THE GUN for 50k while some paid 40k

 

[Harveyyy]

1 hour ago, Flaviosas said:

- nerf/remove mk2 guns 

This issue came up before, and FS put their foot down disallowing criminal factions from importing, specifically, the Pump Mk2 because it was way too overpowered. MK2s in general are OP and expensive, so not every criminal will be running around with one. But, of course, that same logic doesn’t seem to apply to the factions on the other side of the aisle. Crazy right?

Back to the Pump Mk2s, FS said no to importing them and promised to remove them from the economy altogether. So, what happened after 90% of criminals lost access to them? FS turned around and said, "You know what? Let’s import a few… and hand them out to our favorite criminals as a little reward." Brother… why? Didn’t you want these gone? Weren’t you trying to purge the server of Pump Mk2s? What exactly changed?

Now here's the fucked up reality. It feels like our beloved senior staff didn't have the purest intentions behind this, because from the looks of things, it does look like they wanted to indirectly nerf the mortal crims under the guise of a "broken gun we can't keep that". What else did you think would happen when you stripped the Pump Mk2 from the criminal economy but let LEOs keep theirs to wipe the floor with everyone? I mean surely that wasn’t the plan, right? 

It’s simple. Either remove it from everyone’s loadout, or let everyone keep it. Don’t come around with "Oh, we can’t remove it from LEOs just yet because three criminals still have a few stashed away in their apartments" like that’s a valid reason. Brother.. That’s just a weak excuse. You do realize those guns will end up as collector’s items anyway, right? Right? 

This whole situation's bent over, cheeks spread wide. Just put the fries in the bag lil bro.

1 hour ago, Flaviosas said:

- Heli can be used in raids or big robberies like bank robbery ( not every poursuit its not fun)

Unreasonable suggestion I'm afraid. Even IRL, helis are used in pursuits.

1 hour ago, Flaviosas said:

- remove snipers and thermals

In an ideal world, I would say no, but since that shit is broken here with objects not loading correctly from a distance, then +1

1 hour ago, Flaviosas said:

- Max AP for crim is 75 and for cops is 100

+1  It's crazy seeing patrol units rolling with 150AP, even if they're SWAT, they should only put on 150AP when shit goes down. But during regular patrol, it's kinda weird icl.

1 hour ago, Flaviosas said:

- GND must stop rolling labs as an undercover and bait demands this happened many times as well.

Played cop/crim for 5 years, never seen it happen personally, and reports regarding this were denied due to GnD having a valid IC reason to roll into/raid a lab. You need to understand that labs are fucked. The whole concept is flawed. Don't blame GnD for doing their job. Blame those who made labs so fucked. Blame those who turned this "RP" server into a "PvP" server.

32 minutes ago, SquirtleSquad said:

They do not have 175, 200, 500, 5000000 AP available.

I literally fought a cop with 175AP near Humane Labs entrance, and I clapped him. That happened around 2 months ago. It looked like they were wearing a bomb squad suit.

[SquirtleSquad]

11 minutes ago, Rage. said:

pick an answer bro you are literally contradicting yourself. they either don't have it or they do but its limited to special divisions... in which case they do have it?

Read what I wrote just under it.

 

[MateiC]

+1 agreed that if a balance/nerf comes into play it should be on both sides. While yes it’s realistic crims should be able to whipe the whole of PD, it is a game at the end of the day, and if a balance is met where crims don’t lose 99% of the time and where they have just a bit of a change to get away, rather than kill the force I think that’s good enough.

Not many people in the force get access to snipers and the regulations are pretty strict around it, knowing this as my alt is in METRO and I don’t have yet access to it. 

As for AIR-1 I know there has been an influx of people being in it more often due to people in PD training to become pilots so they’d have it out patroling with it and response would be quick, but that should be done now and it would take someone about 4-5 minutes to deploy one, so it gives us a chance to get away. 
 

I agree with the AP, that a balance should be met here.

I think introduction some sort of dark web cybersecurity/hacking way of crims making money would also be pretty nice.

Was also thinking (not sure how traces work so please do correct me here) but having a cooldown on a certain person that was attempted to be traced (30 minutes or so) would also be a pretty good idea. 
 

I know PD has worked on some of the suggestions and have been strict on people stacking charges/ being a bit more understanding of crimes. On my PD alt I have sometimes made people /dice for their speeding charges, or made them do a dance or sing a song, I’m all here for everyone to have a nice fun experience, I don’t RP a hardcore cop. 

[exaal]

47 minutes ago, SquirtleSquad said:

This tread will be monitored, but as it has been mentioned in the past for LEO's:

They do not have 175, 200, 500, 5000000 AP available. Anything beyond 100 is reserved for special divisions and under special circumstances. The fact that this rumor continues to be spread despite multiple High Command of PD and SD debunking this is just outlandish. Stop spreading this, and move on to ACTUAL meaningful discussions.

its reserved for special division yes but when you are in a shooting scenario most of the people from PD/SD that do have 200 aps do come and so at that point you are outnumbered and outgunned

And I think we all know if cops raid a lab there will be no cops with less than 100AP/200AP since all lab raids are done by GND SED/Swat and shi

[Tachi]

I will say it since people want to pick around answers!

Nobody in PD has more than 150 AP!

SWAT/GND = 150

ANYTHING ELSE = 100/50

Hope that clarifies it!

[Spizor]

10 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

+1  It's crazy seeing patrol units rolling with 150AP, even if they're SWAT, they should only put on 150AP when shit goes down. But during regular patrol, it's kinda weird icl.

Criminals have recently been regularly shooting at cops just for turning their lights on behind them. As usual, IC actions are taken in response to these frequent shootings during routine traffic stops. As soon as further action is taken, a thread, or two, or three, get created. Kinda weird. If you want to see less use of AP, you'll need to see less shooting at cops during routine traffic stops first.