remove the "5 cops need to be on duty"

[Teenyinnit]

when server is low pop, a solo crim can barely do anything.

 

when robbing an ATM it used to be 2 cop units on duty, and then it increased to 4 units. why is it now 5 units being on duty to slowly rob an ATM?

I don't see how I'd need more units on duty when server is low pop/there is less crime around in the first place.

please reduce the amount of active units required for ATM robberies.

[SquirtleSquad]

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To allow for LEO to be able to roleplay back, otherwise it's just free money with little to no contesting.

[Quietthecutie]

ATMs rewards have been buffed steadily, so i imagine the cop requirement has gone up in line with that.

Ultimately certain types of crim RP, like ATMs or store robberies require cops to be online to function. Otherwise it would be horribly imbalanced and alot of people would be logging in on early weekday mornings simply to farm ATMs on their crim.

Edited August 24, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[Ritchie Stones]

On 8/24/2024 at 8:08 PM, SquirtleSquad said:

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To allow for LEO to be able to roleplay back, otherwise it's just free money with little to no contesting.

man... free money... its 2k, or 4 k with a ropeand a gpd tracer up your but XD,
that's the value of some burgers and fries with a drink, at burgershot.
here is the thing, its a compliment if some people actually log in early to gain some advantage, that's how it goes in real life to,
its called organised crime, 

here is another issue, today the biggest complaint wins, and its weak "WEAK !!", when you wake up at 4-6 in the morning " the guy that wants to get the work done" gets hold back, weak ppl see it as "taking advantage" I see it as dedication, stop the victimizing mentality. there should be freedom when it comes to ppl being dedicated. that should be a compliment to the server.

but altho I am fairly happy about the changes for now, what I really notice on the other side is a lot of pulling strings for fairplay, and let me tell you  "fair" is that last thing you want" because than everything will boring, competition has to be a there, to make people take action because we all want better and more then another, that's just how we work as humans 

[Bala]

Maybe we should just spawn the money in your bank account and you don't have to do the activity while we're at it? 

It's about balance.

[Teenyinnit]

On 8/24/2024 at 7:08 PM, SquirtleSquad said:

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To allow for LEO to be able to roleplay back, otherwise it's just free money with little to no contesting.

i could counter this with, "maybe PD and SD should hire people for early hours and not just core hours" just because my main hours are early UK mornings when server is quiet doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to commit crime.

 

Having LEO's balanced out across mornings would also help maybe minimising our dead hours.

[SquirtleSquad]

24 minutes ago, Teenyinnit said:

i could counter this with, "maybe PD and SD should hire people for early hours and not just core hours" just because my main hours are early UK mornings when server is quiet doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to commit crime.

 

Having LEO's balanced out across mornings would also help maybe minimising our dead hours.

No one is saying you can't commit crime. Just need to alter the crime you want to commit. Not going to entertain this argument of "hire more people for early hours" argument. That's an IC issue, not an OOC one, and not fully relevant to the conversation at hand.

[Teenyinnit]

53 minutes ago, SquirtleSquad said:

No one is saying you can't commit crime. Just need to alter the crime you want to commit. Not going to entertain this argument of "hire more people for early hours" argument. That's an IC issue, not an OOC one, and not fully relevant to the conversation at hand.

I play SD in the mornings also and it's absolutely dead for us, solo criminals can't do a bunch of stuff so it' gives us nothing to do.

I do play both sides and not just crim.

don't entertain it if you don't want to but consistently raising the number of cops that need to be on the server hurts the LEO's too and I've seen LEO's clock in for only 20 minutes because it can get so boring for them with hours of nothing to do sometimes.

it is relevant because your argument was "its for RP", but we are there waiting for the RP, literally patrolling until a tank is empty.
Lower it back to 3/4 units instead of 5 again or try increasing the server pop in the mornings UTC by allowing the crime to exist with out a cop cap.

also to counter your IC point - if it's an IC issue for crims it's also an IC issue for police,  if there's crime in the morning police should be hiring cops for early mornings UTC, IRL if there are no cops on duty, would literally be the time i would choose to rob an atm no? I wouldn't wait for a cop to clock in for the day.

[SquirtleSquad]

41 minutes ago, Teenyinnit said:

I play SD in the mornings also and it's absolutely dead for us, solo criminals can't do a bunch of stuff so it' gives us nothing to do.

I do play both sides and not just crim.

don't entertain it if you don't want to but consistently raising the number of cops that need to be on the server hurts the LEO's too and I've seen LEO's clock in for only 20 minutes because it can get so boring for them with hours of nothing to do sometimes.

If they clock off because there is nothing to do, then decreasing the number of LEO's on duty for ATM robberies isn't the only solution. There are much more criminal activities that can be had outside of just ATM robberies. That is why I find the argument fully invalid.

 

41 minutes ago, Teenyinnit said:

it is relevant because your argument was "its for RP", but we are there waiting for the RP, literally patrolling until a tank is empty.
Lower it back to 3/4 units instead of 5 again or try increasing the server pop in the mornings UTC by allowing the crime to exist with out a cop cap.

Again, as stated above, there are other criminal activities that can be done that do not have a LEO "On-Duty" requirement. I get that it appears ATM's are your go to for money, but there are still other things you can do that actually would give you more reward and requires no LEO's on duty.

 

41 minutes ago, Teenyinnit said:

also to counter your IC point - if it's an IC issue for crims it's also an IC issue for police,  if there's crime in the morning police should be hiring cops for early mornings UTC, IRL if there are no cops on duty, would literally be the time i would choose to rob an atm no? I wouldn't wait for a cop to clock in for the day.

Well no, the counterpoint is not valid as to rob an ATM is a script thing, where as LEO's on duty is an IC thing. Server population doesn't correlate to script limitations. From around 02:00am to about 11:00am UTC the server population is low. Not everyone wants to play LEO's. Decrease the amount of LEO's on duty to steal ATM's, and now you just get those 3 - 4 LEO's who still can't do shit about stolen ATM's since they also have other calls to deal with. You state you're in SD, I was in PD for 22 months. You should know the different types of 911 calls that come on. "I was shot", "My car was stolen", "Some guy called me an idiot and hurt my feelings", scripted house robberies, impound calls, training, other faction duties depending on the division you're apart of. Couple all these together and those 3 - 4 units on duty suddenly prioritize what sort of RP they want. PD did a great job with recruitment for a specific timezone, and I applaud them taking that massive initiative in doing so, however for me I just fell off the RP.

Past midnight UTC, I used to hate patrolling on PD because people would chain store robberies, and we'd never have sufficient units to patrol or catch up. For ME that's "Zzzzz" RP, as it involves me rolling up to a store, seeing it's empty, looking at CCTV, verifying it to a BOLO, then closing the call. That's solo-rp and not really that fun. Sure, if it's the same individuals you can start building patterns and such, but as mentioned above, you still have a ton of other duties and responsibilities to do. Not every individual in PD/SD are just Patrol Units. They have other obligations and responsibilities. 

Finally touching on the "IRL if there are no cops on duty..." claim, this isn't real life. This is a game, there's a give and take with aligning what we want for realism in the server and working with a video game. Yes, we like to be as realistic as possible, but there are cuts that have to be made.

[Quietthecutie]

LEO management does try to create a spread of staff to cover all timezones (this is why they ask what timezone you are in.) however its not always feasible. If a person is in a highly sought after timezone they still have to meet all the requirements,  pass training etc.

Ultimately most of the servers players are from NA/EU so there will always been those pockets of inactivity where its very late night or morning for both regions.

[alexalex303]

2 hours ago, Teenyinnit said:

I play SD in the mornings also and it's absolutely dead for us, solo criminals can't do a bunch of stuff so it' gives us nothing to do.

There is more to law enforcement than chasing 911 calls; you should consider doing community policing or simply interacting with civilians on a voluntary basis. It might increase activity in an otherwise 'dead time'.

On-topic, ATMs are a solid source of income nowadays after a lot of buffs, either we lower the cash again or leave the requirement -- doing free ATMs and spawning 50k every morning is not healthy for the server economy.

Edited September 11, 2024 by alexalex303

[Eliza]

The script limiting certain criminal activities based on the number of LEOs on duty exists for balance purposes. Without it, players would likely engage in more frequent store robberies, ATMs, bank heists, and other high-profile crimes. As a criminal player, I understand that it can be frustrating to be restricted from certain activities, like bank robberies as an example, due to the lack of sufficient LEO presence. For example, many criminal players might exploit times like late-night NA or early morning EU, when fewer LEOs are available due to most players being offline or occupied with other commitments.

Personally, I play mostly during late-night NA hours because it's when I have the time, and I often find myself unable to participate in activities like bank robberies. I completely agree that it can be frustrating. However, as mentioned earlier, without these restrictions, criminals would likely take advantage of low LEO presence, which would result in an imbalance.

[Ritchie Stones]

On 8/30/2024 at 6:54 PM, Bala said:

Maybe we should just spawn the money in your bank account and you don't have to do the activity while we're at it? 

It's about balance.

Its called “organised crime” you pick certain hours where you get away with it at best for your chances to succeed. Its not about spawning money in your bank, its about people who are willing to do the effort. Wake up at certain hours, and be actually committed, sorry that you cant seem to understand that such thing is actually a compliment to the server, 

but these days everyone is so far bussy with fairness that its actualy just a one sided conversation ALL the time. 

There is nothing fair about crime, can you finally get the point ?

[Ritchie Stones]

Just now, Ritchie Stones said:

Its called “organised crime” you pick certain hours where you get away with it at best for your chances to succeed. Its not about spawning money in your bank, its about people who are willing to do the effort. Wake up at certain hours, and be actually committed, sorry that you cant seem to understand that such thing is actually a compliment to the server, 

but these days everyone is so far bussy with fairness that its actualy just a one sided conversation ALL the time. 

There is nothing fair about crime, can you finally get the point ?

Balance crime…there is nothing to be balanced about crime, THATS THE CRIME.

 

[inorigj]

1 hour ago, Ritchie Stones said:

Its called “organised crime” you pick certain hours where you get away with it at best for your chances to succeed

The entire point of the ooc restrictions. Is to make it more realistic. There wouldn't suddenly only be 1 or 4 police officers in an entire state, at any time of the day.

 

It has nothing to do with balance or fairness. It's the server making due with a finite amount of players to act as LEO's to give a realistic response to criminal actions

[Bala]

On 9/12/2024 at 12:30 AM, Ritchie Stones said:

Its called “organised crime” you pick certain hours where you get away with it at best for your chances to succeed. Its not about spawning money in your bank, its about people who are willing to do the effort. Wake up at certain hours, and be actually committed, sorry that you cant seem to understand that such thing is actually a compliment to the server, 

but these days everyone is so far bussy with fairness that its actualy just a one sided conversation ALL the time. 

There is nothing fair about crime, can you finally get the point ?

No.

[Quietthecutie]

On 9/12/2024 at 12:30 AM, Ritchie Stones said:

Its called “organised crime” you pick certain hours where you get away with it at best for your chances to succeed. Its not about spawning money in your bank, its about people who are willing to do the effort. Wake up at certain hours, and be actually committed, sorry that you cant seem to understand that such thing is actually a compliment to the server, 

but these days everyone is so far bussy with fairness that its actualy just a one sided conversation ALL the time. 

There is nothing fair about crime, can you finally get the point ?

What youre asking for, is for there to be basically no cops on to respond to your crime. this simply isnt doable. for all your claims of realistic organised crime, IRL crime forces still have detectives and undercovers and duty cops around the clock. we, as a RP server, just dont have that because people have irl jobs they need to be responsible for lol.

If someone tried to steal an ATM in the dead of night IRL, you can bet the farm there would still be an appropriate response from law enforcement. they wouldn't just be able to get away with it because most people are asleep at that hour. 

[Ritchie Stones]

17 hours ago, Bala said:

No.

i know you get it your smarter than that, else you would not be so good at helping the server out so well.

here is my frustration, we trying so hard to be fair these days, even about things that arent meant to be fair, that it kinda kills, the fun man, fair ain't fun, it depressing, we are build to want to have more than another, that motivate us, but anyway, keep ignoring it, 

[Bala]

2 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said:

i know you get it your smarter than that, else you would not be so good at helping the server out so well.

here is my frustration, we trying so hard to be fair these days, even about things that arent meant to be fair, that it kinda kills, the fun man, fair ain't fun, it depressing, we are build to want to have more than another, that motivate us, but anyway, keep ignoring it, 

You can't question whether or not I get something then when I tell you I don't understand call me smart. 

Nothing on this server, criminal wise, should be a free hit. Removing this OOC restriction would essentially as close to a free hit as possible.

Irony is, that part of the reason that this limitation is more common, is because of the behavior of a section of the players around that time. The cops get overwhelmed and don't want to play in that time, so then the amount falls below the threshold.

I get it, you want what you want but I can't see it being changed for the reasons I mentioned.

That's it really.

[Diligo]

As people said - pick an alternative criminal money making activity.

Love it or hate it - I like to go rob stores and having adrenaline surge through my body because at any moment a cop could come.
And if I get caught and whatever happens - happens, then I just go back to safer activities until I get cravings for adventure again.
 

For example - Ive been weed farming so much that I went and chopped a car. Still remember every moment of it while rolling labs and scavenging weed is like a foggy memory like brushing teeth in the morning or going to the grocery store for some food.