Hostages

[HobGoblin]

Allow hostages for bank robberies to be taken from anywhere. This adds to bank robbery RP and most of the time is more enjoyable for everyone involved. 

[jason]

This is already permitted should they have the proper reason to do so for that person. Is your suggestion to allow random people with no relation be taken hostage solely for bank robberies?

[Freyster]

2 minutes ago, jason said:

This is already permitted should they have the proper reason to do so for that person. Is your suggestion to allow random people with no relation be taken hostage solely for bank robberies?

I think that's what he means for Bank/Store robberies, I see no reason why not, there's a higher chance of getting out if you are doing well at negotiation, and not everything is about killing the hostage, it's decent scenarios, and makes bank's more fun for everyone. However, it should not be a "friend" that you just tell to be a hostage for the bank.

[HobGoblin]

6 minutes ago, jason said:

This is already permitted should they have the proper reason to do so for that person. Is your suggestion to allow random people with no relation be taken hostage solely for bank robberies?

Yes. Solely for the bank robbery. For example a gang is planning a bank and see someone walking the streets alone. That person gets kidnapped and taken hostage and taken to the bank.

[jason]

If this post garners enough support I'll put it up for discussion. I will say currently my main concern currently is those who need to log off soon and get caught off guard and forced into long-term roleplay like this.

[Harveyyy]

3 hours ago, jason said:

those who need to log off soon and get caught off guard and forced into long-term roleplay like this.

Perhaps we can ask in /pm if they have enough time for a roleplay situation that would last around 30-ish minutes? 

[HobGoblin]

I have thought about that issue but it can be applied in a lot of situations. Most commonly someone getting pulled over and arrested. 
 

People will just need to be thoughtful of other players and if they say they need to go, they would have to find someone else. 

[Eliza]

+1 to this given the recent change to holding bags on motorcycles, I think it would be a good change to provide meaningful RP toward both LEO and criminals during bank robberies instead of 15 bikes being parked out front of the bank.

[Cup]

+1 Imo. Tho I think some kind of notice about needing to make sure the person has time for the RP.

 

I was the hostage at one of these banks once and it was quite fun rp to be a part of in my opinion.

[Requiem]

I have two concerns: One being the already mentioned issue regarding other players potentially having limited time. It's not fair to force someone into RP they either don't have time for or don't want to be involved in.

My other concern is DM rights. If you kidnap someone to use as a robbery hostage, you will be putting them under threat of harm, and it will hinder the scenario if a random person is grabbed off the street that you have no DM rights on. Should negotiations not go your way, what then? You wouldn't be allowed to simply shoot/harm this random person you have no DM rights on. 

[Zion Willard]

On 7/17/2024 at 1:54 PM, Requiem said:

I have two concerns: One being the already mentioned issue regarding other players potentially having limited time. It's not fair to force someone into RP they either don't have time for or don't want to be involved in.

My other concern is DM rights. If you kidnap someone to use as a robbery hostage, you will be putting them under threat of harm, and it will hinder the scenario if a random person is grabbed off the street that you have no DM rights on. Should negotiations not go your way, what then? You wouldn't be allowed to simply shoot/harm this random person you have no DM rights on. 

I think it's clear that you can ask for OOC consent and confirm the player is going to be online for the required amount prior to initiating the bank robbery.

To the second point, I feel that under the current escalation rules a situation where negotiations degrade to the point where it becomes a breach / shootout it would logically follow that DM rights would follow.

[tigerpet15]

On 7/12/2024 at 9:59 AM, jason said:

If this post garners enough support I'll put it up for discussion. I will say currently my main concern currently is those who need to log off soon and get caught off guard and forced into long-term roleplay like this.

I believe the kidnapping rule should be lightened. What I’d suggest would be OOC consented kidnapping without enough escalation to gain DM rights to do so. It would open up much more rp scenarios beside bank/store robberies. I believe there should be a rule in place to regulate hostage situations and powerhaming. It would have to be thought out more though (something like when a hostage is taken like ur friend for LEOs civilian they should be concerned for his life and act accordingly and not randomly killing the attacker without making sure hostage would be 100% okay). 

[tigerpet15]

On 7/17/2024 at 7:54 PM, Requiem said:

I have two concerns: One being the already mentioned issue regarding other players potentially having limited time. It's not fair to force someone into RP they either don't have time for or don't want to be involved in.

My other concern is DM rights. If you kidnap someone to use as a robbery hostage, you will be putting them under threat of harm, and it will hinder the scenario if a random person is grabbed off the street that you have no DM rights on. Should negotiations not go your way, what then? You wouldn't be allowed to simply shoot/harm this random person you have no DM rights on. 

I think this could be solved with OOC asking the player if they want to be kidnapped and take part of that R. The rules should state what the players can and can’t do to him (for example you can rob ur hostage). And the possibility of killing the hostage. Not sure if I have the answer (I’d say I’d choose to ignore DM rights need if there is large enough reason to kill him. What I mean if LEOs try to make a move on u in bank and injure 3 of xour buddies it d make RP sense to harm the hostage to stop the police officers… IRL during thw bank robbery some people might get killed even though the robbers would not have any other reason than robbing the bank). It would need to be thought about a lot and making sure there aren’t any abusable grey areas. 

[tigerpet15]

So I’m +1