Faction Suggestion: Federal Aviation Administration

[Pistol Pete]

+1

[DeanThompson]

8 hours ago, TheCHcuky said:

First off +1 to the infinity power! 

As for the name? L.S.A.A or Los Santos Aviation Administration?

I Agree with what you said hear Parker on it being a government Branch. Won't clutter the main forums and have a structure to it. 

I think we should divide the certifications in three that being (1) For Student, (2) for Recreational, and (3) Private Pilot or PPL. Each having their corresponding restrictions which gradually goes away during time, and rank. To put it simply

• Student Pilot - Can fly around Sandy Shores to Grape Seed Airfield. No Passengers. 
• Recreational Pilot - Can fly anywhere around the county as long as they are 1,000 ft above any structure, and remain clear of Restricted Airspace or Class B (LSX). May carry Passengers. Aircraft restrictions? I'll leave that to the administration and government but personally it's any aircraft that dose not exceed 180 hours power.
• Private Pilot - Can fly anywhere around the county or city as long as they are 1,000 ft above any structure, and remain clear of Restricted Airspace's. Can enter Class B airspace as well (LSX). Can be issued Ratings! 
  • Rotorcraft or Helicopter Rating.
  • Government Employee Rating (LEO/SAR/Gov Factions).
  • F-16 Rating. [Note: This will not be handed over like candy. You have to earn it!]
  • Sport / Para-dropping Rating. [you know what this means!]
  • And any others I missed. 

Training?

I say do it like the DMV for the student Pilot. Before anyone can take the exam they have to come on the government forums and pass a security check. After cleared than they can walk up to the point at Sandy Shores Airfield and take the LSAA knowledge Exam for a student. After they pass they can get into an aircraft and fly the checkpoints while reading the [Instructor] words carefully! If they pass they are a student Pilot! Buy a Cessna or Dodo or what they called? Help a brother out! And fly around Sandy Shores and Grape-Seed airstrip. Yes they are restricted to LSX for the time being. Then "when they choose" they can apply for their Recreational or Jump over to PPL. The choice is yours to make.

For ATC anyone can apply for this. Pilot or not. They can communicate to other pilots over a given radio frequency. 

3-2 of them on average. When off duty CTAF will be used across all airspace's. 1 at LSX, 1 at Sandy, and 1 that assists at LSX. 

As for fighter jets I'm not sure how the administration wishes to do this over hear but I see it as a last case scenario. If we get a renegade plane than PD should be the primary resource. Typically planes are scrambled when it's an "unresponsive plane, or breaching restricted airspace" such as fort Zankudo or landing in the middle of the street in LS. 

Other Ideas:

• Again not sure how we should restrict all the planes. I leave that open for discussion. 
• /transponder ON command [Doing this will allow anyone that is an on duty ATC or pilot see the persons blimp on the map. This means you can turn it off hint hint!] Also you have to be in the aircraft in order to get the blimp. 
• Ground Crewman. People that can re-fuel your aircraft. 
• Mechanics like Bay View can fix planes or customize them? Is this even possible in GTAV? 

That's it! Let me know what you all think! 

I love it except for a couple of things.

 

1) I really don't think pilot licensing should be automated by the server. Government workers in game should have stuff to do and one of them should be conducting flight training / tests for people wanting to become pilots. This would give the faction an actual in game purpose as well as create good roleplay and hopefully keep aviation respectable.

 

2) PD should have nothing to do with rogue aircraft - This should be government.

[Xoza]

4 hours ago, DeanThompson said:

I love it except for a couple of things.

1) I really don't think pilot licensing should be automated by the server. Government workers in game should have stuff to do and one of them should be conducting flight training / tests for people wanting to become pilots. This would give the faction an actual in game purpose as well as create good roleplay and hopefully keep aviation respectable.

2) PD should have nothing to do with rogue aircraft - This should be government.

1) Agreed

2) Since there is no National Guard as SWAT is the equivalent and falls under PD and law enforcement. A combination of the PD Air Support Division and SWAT Division would likely be the handler of rogue aircraft.

[TheCHcuky]

On 2/26/2019 at 9:09 AM, Xoza said:

1) Agreed

2) Since there is no National Guard as SWAT is the equivalent and falls under PD and law enforcement. A combination of the PD Air Support Division and SWAT Division would likely be the handler of rogue aircraft.

This can work as well, in fact I would actually prefer this instead of an automated system. It will just be another filter. And about the knowledge exam? Automated or in game? I would say on the forums. 

As for rouge aircraft I was referring to PD as a temporary resource until we can get a solid Air Force up and running. But then again the system should be so secured that a thing like rouge flying can be rare.

Edited March 2, 2019 by TheCHcuky

[TheCHcuky]

[Kaizure]

You might actually see a rise in players if this was implemented, though I imagine most people would want to immediately fly the jet (just like how everyone wants to fly a helicopter, stolen or otherwise). If jets are an option, they should be issued to people who have proven they are responsible pilots over a period of time spent within the faction, If anyone is able to fly them right from the get go, it will cause so much trouble.

One of the rules the MD/PD have implemented right now is: in order to join, you need to have at least 4000 experience, which is a couple days worth of time spent on the server and learning how things work. But jets are a huge responsibility because they have access to that machine gun and lock-on rockets. Not only would you need to prove you're a responsible pilot, but I feel like you should also prove you're someone who understands the rules of the server really well and can back it up by the amount of experience you have. Only question is: what would be a fair amount to go by? 25k? 50k? 100k?

I'm just concerned that people will jump at the idea of using a jet and it will turn into GTA Online all over again.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of having something like this implemented. One of the big disappointments I had when I joined the server was the lack of options for being a pilot. I was really hoping I could have a job as a commercial airline pilot who would fly people to and from their destinations similar to how the bus system works, but it wasn't an option. I can understand why it's not in place, but I'm sure it would help drive up traffic if there was a system for it.

This whole thing just needs to be handled carefully. The original post is well thought out, but a fancy post doesn't hold a candle to the amount of commitment that would be required to maintain a faction like this in the actual server and the amount of work that would need to be done.

 

End of the day, I'll give this a +1

I just hope the jet concern will be handled very, very carefully.

[TheCHcuky]

Believe me the system I setup will have no loopholes, unless your a clever MooFoo! I actually want their to be loopholes. Makes the RP experience more interesting, but not to many that it turns into a play ground. 

As for Commercial Pilots I would say add another Certification for them such as ATP (Airline Transportation Pilots). In order to become that you first have to join an Airline. Before you can do that their has to be an airline. Before that the government / LSAA will have to approve it first. 

So far in the handbook I only made 3 Certifications, the last Certification will be the "fun one" meaning you will open the full experience of aviation. If you can make it that far! 

[TheCHcuky]

Is their anyway we can move this in Fort Zankudo over to Los Santos international!? I had no idea this existed! 

Edited March 2, 2019 by TheCHcuky

[ThePro]

These screenshots look really cool. +1

[Jason Costana]

Big +1 to this, I'd love to see this added!

[SMILE_]

I'd love to have planes since its boring anyway and need more content

I deal with planes in real life :)

+1

[TheCHcuky]

And just to put more clarity on the whole fighter jets thing if implemented, and accepted it will have a system to it all. I think one of the most important elements in all of this talk is drafting a fair ROE (Rules of Engagement). I will admit that is one part of aviation that I am not 100% familiar with so if anyone else wants to pitch in on this I would love to hear the process that you are actually able to share of course.

[TheCHcuky]

[Walkers]

people will just take the piss and crash it into maze bank and say "i was reenacting 911 mate" sure

[HoneyBadger]

On 2/26/2019 at 5:25 AM, TheCHcuky said:

Other Ideas:

• Again not sure how we should restrict all the planes. I leave that open for discussion. 

There is an option how to kind a “control” them.

Requirements:

·         Radio beacon. In MD and PD, we can do /backup. If I can remember correctly it gives GPS location of our vehicle not person itself. If it isn’t closed, we can see updated blimp on the map.

·         SRG pilot being high in the air doing regular air space control/patrol.

·         Color management of blimps (I think this would harder part in my opinion.)

Every single plane/helicopter would have registration that has to been given to Air Traffic Controller. He would register your information (Google docs so all members of FAA could access it live, easier to manage planes/helicopter in air). After that is done you could do command /airtraffic N230MP which turns on your GPS tracking. When all systems are on and plane is ready for departure you would request permission to take off. In this kind of way ATC and SRG units would see where current aircraft is located, during patrol they could fly by or land close to do checkups. Note that plane registration never changes, and you could randomly ask them to show the documentation.  Also, SRG could have Buzzard or Buzzard Attack chopper. This would allow SRG units to intercept slower aircraft and assist PD units in vehicle pursuits.

 

Looking forward for this gov. faction

Buzzard:

[TheCHcuky]

8 hours ago, HoneyBadger said:

Every single plane/helicopter would have registration that has to been given to Air Traffic Controller. He would register your information (Google docs so all members of FAA could access it live, easier to manage planes/helicopter in air). After that is done you could do command /airtraffic N230MP which turns on your GPS tracking.

Partially agree with minus the google docs part for keeping track of pilots. I would probably aim more for the LSAA creating a section on the government LSAA forums were we keep track of all pilots like a profile section that keeps track of the pilots flight hours, registered planes, current certifications, and ratings, and lastly any markups during flight training. Or if possible be able to look at the profile in-game w/o having to tab out. Less work. 

I was aiming also for a /transponder on command which would automatically turn on the blimp for anyone who is LSAA, A Pilot, Admin, or other pilot. Kind of a TCAS thing so other pilots can see other pilots as well. /transponder off is also an option though. Which is a big no no for this world, unless we want a less regulated airspace.  

Edited March 4, 2019 by TheCHcuky

[Puzzling]

San Andreas Aviation Administration is implemented!

Awesome Suggestion.

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