PersonOfPerson Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Theres no very clear way on explaining how to handle in vehicle , robbery engagements and how to react its very confusing when it happens considering it'd be harder to land shots on a person when your in a moving vehicle so the person would be less at risk (Ive had many experiences where my friends and i have been going 70 - 130 in our vehicles and being told to pull over by players that have slower vehicles then ours or the same speed and we don't know how Fear-rp would work in those situations , such as are we allowed to run? are we allowed to shoot back?) Please clarify in this post or make an adjustment to the doc please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denni Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, PersonOfPerson said: Theres no very clear way on explaining how to handle in vehicle , robbery engagements and how to react its very confusing when it happens considering it'd be harder to land shots on a person when your in a moving vehicle so the person would be less at risk (Ive had many experiences where my friends and i have been going 70 - 130 in our vehicles and being told to pull over by players that have slower vehicles then ours or the same speed and we don't know how Fear-rp would work in those situations , such as are we allowed to run? are we allowed to shoot back?) Please clarify in this post or make an adjustment to the doc please. +1 to this. It seems some staff will punish players for trying to rob a moving car whereas some won't. I think it's a hard one that needs further explanation. I agree with not being able to rob you when you're moving by just shouting pull over. I would not be able to hear that on the motorway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think this matter is pretty much put to rest by Balling's post in this punishment appeal. However, having an official rule for it might help wide-spread knowledge among the player-base. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoza Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Again, why robbery of all types should require a minimum of 2 individuals. If you go to pat someone down IRL you temporarily loose the advantage. Your in melee range and could be surprised or overpowered quickly. I had someone following me a few days ago in my Bifta while I was looking for a house. It was pretty obvious after a few turns so I took off and lost them. I expected them to start shouting, even with no windows, probably would not have stopped until they had a clear advantage over me. A lot of this is very situational, should be more RP and step-by-step though then shootem up. The only way I can see car to car robbery going is this example. Robbers yell at car and point guns. They shoot to eliminate the first enemy that's not complying, the operational vehicle. They re-engage the driver and make demands again. Driver gets out of the disabled vehicle as the robbers are now close range and clearly have the advantage. Robbery takes place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonOfPerson Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Xoza said: Again, why robbery of all types should require a minimum of 2 individuals. If you go to pat someone down IRL you temporarily loose the advantage. Your in melee range and could be surprised or overpowered quickly. I had someone following me a few days ago in my Bifta while I was looking for a house. It was pretty obvious after a few turns so I took off and lost them. I expected them to start shouting, even with no windows, probably would not have stopped until they had a clear advantage over me. A lot of this is very situational, should be more RP and step-by-step though then shootem up. The only way I can see car to car robbery going is this example. Robbers yell at car and point guns. They shoot to eliminate the first enemy that's not complying, the operational vehicle. They re-engage the driver and make demands again. Driver gets out of the disabled vehicle as the robbers are now close range and clearly have the advantage. Robbery takes place. I agree with your first statement there should have to be two individual's to rob a person especially when its in one of these situations. All I want is a clearer understanding of how to react in these situations such as on residential roads and the motorway and at a certain speed limit. (as Dennis said you wouldn't be able to hear shouting from another car when your doing 130KM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusketDeezNuts Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Shouting out of a vehicle at high speeds for someone to pull over already falls under NonRP. If someone is shouting at you to pull over. Feel free to ignore those demands. Those demands RPly would not reach your ears. They will not get rights to shoot either. This is why police have /megaphone Check some old punishment appeals about NonRP if you want a clearer picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasquez Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 +1 Make it clear for players that it's a server punishment by implementing it in the server rules. Some players properly dont read so much on the forum else the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonOfPerson Posted January 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, MusketDeezNuts said: Shouting out of a vehicle at high speeds for someone to pull over already falls under NonRP. If someone is shouting at you to pull over. Feel free to ignore those demands. Those demands RPly would not reach your ears. They will not get rights to shoot either. This is why police have /megaphone Check some old punishment appeals about NonRP if you want a clearer picture. A player would find it very difficult and discouraging to having to read through the forums for detail's on a undefined rule especially when there is over 58k posts on this forum and the search system isn't the greatest. Going through the Non-rp section in the rules provides no information about the matter of which I made this thread for. (ought to mention , players using their own perception in situations can lead to issues considering everyone has their own different perception of situations and how they would react. ) I should not have to search through the forum for information which should already exist inside the Rule Document. Which you could argue I could just make a forum post like I have now but a person wont immediately be able to reply to a forum post like this (especially a staff member) in the quick time that I would most likely need. Its proven clear by this thread the first response to my issue took two hours but it took twelve hours for an actual staff member to respond. (could also argue and say the in-game report system is another thing but In my experience even that doesn't work because there wont always be a staff member online or they would be tackling another issue.) and /megaphone doesn't even appear as an existing thing inside the rule doc and not every player is going to play as a criminal and get themselves in situations where this'l be learnt. (The reason why I'm focusing on the rule doc so much is ^^^^^^^^^^^^ because you HAVE to read through it to even be able to attempt to join the server. The only time you need the forums is to get the link to the rule doc , but you can also find it by just googling.) Edited January 4, 2019 by PersonOfPerson detail (forgot an s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylergo20 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 1:15 PM, PersonOfPerson said: I agree with your first statement there should have to be two individual's to rob a person especially when its in one of these situations. All I want is a clearer understanding of how to react in these situations such as on residential roads and the motorway and at a certain speed limit. (as Dennis said you wouldn't be able to hear shouting from another car when your doing 130KM) even then. me and my buddies tested this in IRL. from 0-20kph you can talk and kind hear people 25-45 had to yell at REALLY close range 65 and over the wind is to much to do anything but hand gestures. this should be something that is added to the rules i do fully like this. not even then we are in cars in snow in Canada when you are in a transport my real job. good luck talking to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinByNature Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Vehicle to vehicle discussions while moving really are not very realistic unless driving window to window, same applies with FearRP. Demands made from moving vehicles are not plausible to inflict Fear RP and thus are not plausible demands made for any sort of Death Matching rights. Thank you for the suggestion and hopefully this clarifies things. If you have further questions, feel free to reach out to me on discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
