Disallow PD/SD from viewing MD calls.

[AtlasOLimbo]

Rather, MD calls should be automatically made a "both" call if there is no MD units online.

I'm very open to discussion on this matter, but it feels that this openness is prone to abuse. I was just arrested on the pier after calling purely MD for my injured friend. PD rolled up moments after, note that there were no calls to PD or shots fired or anything of the sort. They simply responded due to the fact that my name from a previous BOLO was the caller for a MD call.

[IAmTurtle]

-1 This just seems like really bad luck. PD officers get dispatched to medical calls 99% of the time irl. Plus 911 calls go through a singular dispatch system therefore cops would get alerted anyway if you where wanted and making a phone call.

[Aldarine]

@IAmTurtle That is actually incorrect for the most part. Law enforcement doesn’t get dispatched to many 911 calls, when they do it is extremely rare. On top of this dispatch isn’t privy to those whom are wanted and a person can give any name to the dispatcher when they do call 911. I understand the sentiment the player is trying to present, just unsure of how to resolve it.

Edit: I’d like to simply see dispatch remark the call with the players phone number as opposed to name and the rest of the system can remain the same. 

Reference: I’ve worked dispatch

[AtlasOLimbo]

1 hour ago, Aldarine said:

@IAmTurtle That is actually incorrect for the most part. Law enforcement doesn’t get dispatched to many 911 calls, when they do it is extremely rare. On top of this dispatch isn’t privy to those whom are wanted and a person can give any name to the dispatcher when they do call 911. I understand the sentiment the player is trying to present, just unsure of how to resolve it.

Edit: I’d like to simply see dispatch remark the call with the players phone number as opposed to name and the rest of the system can remain the same. 

Reference: I’ve worked dispatch

I appreciate the first hand experience and primary source you provide to the conversation. As having played all three in the server myself (LEO, MD, Crim.) my solution seems reasonable but I think the one you've provided is even better and adds more realism to things.

[Ranger]

IIRC PD/SD only see MD calls if the person calls for 'both' (Shows as: [MED/LAW]). I do agree with Aldarine's statement that it would be cool to only show the phone number, as I've commonly seen PD/SD respond to MD calls because of someone's name showing up (I am NOT saying PD/SD only respond to MD calls purely for arrests!). In return, I think it would be best to scriptly implement a way to search phone numbers so investigations on calls can be performed if necessary.

With certain stipulations, +1

[AtlasOLimbo]

6 minutes ago, Ranger said:

IIRC PD/SD only see MD calls if the person calls for 'both' (Shows as: [MED/LAW]). I do agree with Aldarine's statement that it would be cool to only show the phone number, as I've commonly seen PD/SD respond to MD calls because of someone's name showing up (I am NOT saying PD/SD only respond to MD calls purely for arrests!). In return, I think it would be best to scriptly implement a way to search phone numbers so investigations on calls can be performed if necessary.

With certain stipulations, +1

If you look in your MDC in the Calls section, you can see all Calls. Medic or otherwise, you just don't get the notif for MD calls. Source: me

[Bala]

I'll keep it a buck, there's been a number of times since we had that last exodus of MD people where PD has had to chip in and cover them MD calls, so from a supply/demand and game POV, most people are going to be glad that anyone is responding, regardless of their faction.

Go to an emergency room in the United States with a gun-shot wound and I'm 99% sure the medics have to inform law enforcement and there isn't no two minute trip to the hospital then you're back on your dirtbike like in-game here.

I'll be honest, I hate being involved in medical role-play. I hate having to take people to the hospital because inevitably I'm going to have to roleplay something I know nothing about to then have to tazer someone when i drop them off so they can move again. I also hate medical role-play being done to me, I find it like watching paint dry.

That being said, to those people that devote their time to medic RP and enjoy it, I take my hat off. If we can get more of those people in MD and can guarentee that MD can keep up with the load then it's no skin off my nose if MD calls just go to them. Could always introduce an IC policy where medics have to inform law enforcement over the radio when they come across a gun shot victim.

 

[Iriael]

18 hours ago, AtlasOLimbo said:

They simply responded due to the fact that my name from a previous BOLO was the caller for a MD call.

No offense, this is just consequences for previous actions.  Don't call 911, text your gang members for a trunk, especially if you've done something BOLO worthy in the past 24 hours.  If its for a friend, ask on radio.  PD responds to MD calls if A) there are no MD on shift, and we need to help or B) you have a detective/officer looking for you from a BOLO.  While its an unfortunate bit of bad luck on your end, it would be avoidable by using resources to get your friend driven to PIllbox without alerting LEOs.

 

I don't see a need to change the system that works, so -1.

[AtlasOLimbo]

27 minutes ago, Iriael said:

No offense, this is just consequences for previous actions.  Don't call 911, text your gang members for a trunk, especially if you've done something BOLO worthy in the past 24 hours.  If its for a friend, ask on radio.  PD responds to MD calls if A) there are no MD on shift, and we need to help or B) you have a detective/officer looking for you from a BOLO.  While its an unfortunate bit of bad luck on your end, it would be avoidable by using resources to get your friend driven to PIllbox without alerting LEOs.

 

I don't see a need to change the system that works, so -1.

I know people from MD that consistently testify that trunks are one of the worst things to happen to them as it consistently hinders their call volume and leaves the department empty for extensive periods of time. The notion of "just don't call MD" seems unreasonable to me, especially at extremely low pops like it was at the time. (~100) Calling medics, once again should not trigger a PD response unless the caller directly describes a crime or medics request assistance.

[TheSnipe]

I only chime as I also have experience. No offense to @Aldarine one bit but I've found it different where I am in the states. IRL I'm an EMT and certified dispatcher. I have dispatched for a small town's Police Department, I also worked both jobs in a large city in the US.

In the city, mind you technology keeps evolving, but when I get dispatched to a medical call it is on the police department's frequency in the city, they just send out the tones for us to be notified. The police hear the name and address/location of the caller. Usually if we get on scene first, police are usually on site by the time we leave.

As for the small Police Department, 911 was and is still routed through a county system, so medical calls go straight to a large dispatch center, however the local PD dispatch is notified at their station via computer, in my county police are dispatched to every medical call and 9/10 times arrive to the call before the ambulance can get there without getting into detail.

That being said, any ER that gets someone with a gunshot wound is required to report it to police and allow them to write a report before they are discharged.

TLDR It's situational and contextual, in my experience both phone numbers and names of caller are released in most circumstances. As Iriael has mentioned, I believe the system is good as is, I would advise having a friend call or come pick you up if you know you are wanted. If anything I'd say PD should be notified of all medical calls, but I won't open that can of worms.

[Aldarine]

@Alex Schill It truly does go to show that different counties and states operate completely differently. As both a former dispatcher and a present PRN paramedic, there have been more times than I can count where I’m the only unit, sometimes with a backup to a 911 medical call with no law enforcement present. To be fair to that point not far away is an area where the crime rate is much higher and law enforcement is more utilized in those areas. 

One thing I will state that is the same is the notification at the hospital for GSWs. This immediately brings in hospital security and law enforcement to the specific bed or trauma room where the individual is for follow up and reports are mandatory prior to leaving to your next call.

[TheSnipe]

@Aldarine not to get off topic, my hat is off to you, I never took the step to PRN. Between us it really showcases how different things are depending on where you live. Budgets, manpower, etc. really change things. Thank you for your insight!

IIRC and please correct me, but I believe the screening protocol for GSWs also carries over for cases of overt violence (i.e. knife wound, indications of abuse, etc,) that come in, I'm not sure on the enforcement as the ER or TC usually takes care of that and the Police and Paramedics stay behind as well where I am.

I found this which talks a bit about LA/CHP dispatch https://www.chp.ca.gov/find-an-office/southern-division/offices/(514)-los-angeles-communications-center (and all the goodies they get.)

[SirQubed]

I agree with allowing the system to only get a phone number of who called and allowing LEO's search phone numbers in the MDC. Realistically as said by Aldarine a criminal could simply give a false name to the dispatchers. Calling a friend for a trunk is not a solution for the issue at hand as it takes away RP from the MD people that rely on injured people to get most of their RP in. I also do not agree with having all calls funnel into LEO's as text chat with calls, impound request, weazle updates and the RP you would be doing would just cause text chat to flood we already have a system in place to view Medical calls if needed. 

[TheSnipe]

3 hours ago, SirQubed said:

I agree with allowing the system to only get a phone number of who called and allowing LEO's search phone numbers in the MDC. Realistically as said by Aldarine a criminal could simply give a false name to the dispatchers. Calling a friend for a trunk is not a solution for the issue at hand as it takes away RP from the MD people that rely on injured people to get most of their RP in. I also do not agree with having all calls funnel into LEO's as text chat with calls, impound request, weazle updates and the RP you would be doing would just cause text chat to flood we already have a system in place to view Medical calls if needed. 

I do see the point from both sides, giving the medics possibly more calls and RP opportunity, 911 systems vary wildly and other points made above. On the other side, depending on the nature of the call, police would be likely be dispatched after a violent crime in public (i.e. bystanders calling 911, dispatch hearing it is a GSW/knife wound, or other information), for gunshot wounds, etc. The thing is, we don't have 911 dispatchers and as Aldarine mentioned elsewhere, every phone is tied to a person, so it's really a gameplay/realism balance. I searched the web for the systems that CHP and LA 911 call centers but didn't find anything concrete enough to say "yes/no the owner of the phone is displayed in their system".

I would say that if the script was changed so that a number only was displayed, there is a place in the MDC to let PD/SD to search by phone number. It gives PD an extra step if we're actively looking for someone but if officers are tied up or not paying attention, a person can more easily slip through. This hopefully allows MD to get more calls/RP, doesn't discourage an active or wanted crim from calling 911, yet it is still a roll of the dice if an officer will show up on scene to investigate. ( ICly MD and PD/SD can also tweak policies with this ).

[LeMonk]

I believe that MD/SD/PD should be able to see the callers full name as from my understanding anyone responding would be informed by dispatch of who is calling, and if they have any prior medical conditions and such. I also believe that SD/PD should be informed of every medical call due to sometimes there being no MD and SD/PD simply not seeing calls of victims in desperate need of help. I do however think that perhaps if you have your caller ID off then we should not get a name and number of who is calling the authorities. 

[alexalex303]

I think the question is where should this lie on the line between a game and realism.

Realistically, if you've been shot and you're wanted, a cop is gonna look into it, and you're gonna get arrested. Gunshot wounds could take operations, hours, days before you can even walk, someone will get to you before then.

However, in the context of a game where you get dropped off onto a magic spot and you are 100% instantly, do we really think it's that unfair that cops might see your name? I don't think so. There are ways to avoid it, a lot of people ask a friend to call MD if they're wanted, or rely on them for self-transport, which is something that completely negates this.

If a friend were to bring you into the ER with a gunshot wound, police would be notified, in the game, if you get brought to the hospital, unless the cops are camping it, nothing. No warning, you just get off scot free. That doesn't seem very fair or realistic, but it is how it is.

If we're taking the whole system as a whole, I think this is fair.

You risk your freedom for easier access to medical services, or you use friendships/allies to carry you more covertly, which is less convenient but more private. The suggestion in the OP seems a bit like wanting to have your cake and eat it too, you don't want to risk arrest but you also want a super convenient way to use medical services when wanted. 

Edited March 27, 2022 by alexalex303