Netlok

I think the main issue with this addition is its a vehicle thats not obtainable in game for criminals creating an unfair balance, there is one of them on the server for players to own and it is owned by an admin on a PD character. I think if PD is able to be using it it should be added to both the vehicle dealerships and the credit store so criminals are also able to play on a level playing field.

I think the problem more so lies in that it has been happening with a fair bit of frequency as of late. Yes Quiet drew this up after a situation we recently had but the problem is more that it has been happening to us with a lot of regularity lately. Theres a couple groups we have been dealing with lately that pretty much every interaction we have with them is resulting in cops being involved and I have ICly heard similar accounts from people in other organizations. Yes i think snitching is always going to happen but with the frequency that it happens at and the reasoning for it happening often will demotivate criminal players. Its hard enough to organize 10-20 crims to all play together and work together on things without having to worry about dealing with constant gun fights from PD and SD which are uncapped factions with access to much better equipment then we can aquire. Usually these situations kill any RP that could have happened and turn it into non stop unwinnable PVP situations which many players dont find enjoyable to be in every night,

I can agree less masks and finishing people off would be healthier RP though

Criminals going to the police about other criminals is in no way highlighting misconduct, IA reporting another officer as an officer is is no way like snitching, The comparison on the criminal side to an IA report would be that you notice your fellow gang member breaking an internal rule in your gang and you tell your gang leader about it, Just because some people may forum report out of spite and some people may mix their OOC feelings into their RP and vice versa doesnt mean everyone does, those also arent behaviours we should promote anyways, These points also dont really relate the discussion at hand of whether it should be NRP to snitch on other criminals to the police as a criminal and where that line should be in that RP.

Making an IA report would be the complete opposite of a criminal snitching to the cops, IA reporting you are trying to get your fellow officers to behave inline with your departments code of conduct, You arent diminishing the gains of others by IA reporting, You are highlighting misconduct. And snitching would not be something inline with the average criminals morals. You outline that people snitch because they have something to gain from it but then just completely undermine your own point and say that people do it purely out of spite which would not be causing a gain for them at all. Also equating pointing out an opposing faction breaking OOC rules to taking IC actions against a faction is a horrible point to make and is just presuming people are mixing with their actions and doesnt really pertain to the conversation at hand anyways. Now I feel that criminals should be able to snitch on some level and it does promote healthy RP if done in the right way, but on the other side I feel it definetly has been getting out of hand lately with high ranking members of gangs snitching on others because they find it funny or calling cops on rival gangs just because your numbers are low at the time and you dont feel you can win the fight. I feel these behaviours should be curbed as it doesnt promote a healthy RP environment on the criminal side. It really just incentivizes troll behaviors and most of the time doesnt even allow for following RP as the person will be masked up and drive off before discretely calling and then never returning to the area. I feel at some point it gets to a point of NRP if your RPing as a criminal but just rely on the cops for every situation you cant personally handle.

This kinda just proves the point i was making. We shouldnt have to wipe PD to have the chance at peaceful RP. I get we have charges and IRL officers would wanna go after a repeat offender but you also got suspend your disbelief and remember this is an RP server and usually we are trying to make a story. Many of those charges we did get and shootouts with PD we got into we felt were escalated by PD. So on our side it feels very unfair for PD to escalate a situation with us, often occuring outside our own HQ, and then use our reaction to that situation as justification to stomp out our more story based RP we attempted.

The only problem with any sort of revolution RP is that PD has always been way too hard on stomping it out and turning it into non stop pvp gun fights from my expierence rather then letting the RP scenes play out when stuff like this has arrised. Any protest i have organised has resulted in PD escalating the situation into a riot which in turn becomes counter productive to the players who are trying to have more story based gameplay rather then non stop pvp scenes. I think having some corruption in goverment is healthy for RP but the police officers often dont let the RP build to any meaningful point often leading to these types of players becoming demotivated and leaving the server such as with many members of the Underground. They instead go for quick and easy arrests on minor stuff like unlawful assembly during these situations and just ruin the potential RP that could have unfolded.

I have had this issue occur aswell

Every scenario where i have been locked up for an extended time recently has been due to a DoC guard antagonizing prisoners for long periods of time till the prisoner decides to react. DoC guards will then over react with force when you deal with the one person who was harrassing you, lock you up for an extended period and then come harrass you in the cell. It often feels like a form of crim baiting when im in those scenarios. I dont feel like guards should be antagozing prisoners, especially ones known for killing cops. And if they do they should expect a reaction, I feel like its an OOC punishment to lock them up for the rest of the sentence for "killing one of ours" even if the guard started the fight.

Cops can pull them out of impound for you, they dont get used often so staff arent always fully knowledgable on them.

im fairly sure pulling salary 100% goes to pay off debt, if you put cash into an ATM though only 50% goes to pay off debt, so if you are stuck in debt you may need to commit a crime to get cash to eat, i dont think its really that bad with the current system. it kinda fosters a realistic RP of repeat offenders that feel they are needing to commit some crimes to get on their feet after a sentence.

Corruption runs deep in Los Santos, Chad knew this all too well, he had spent the last year with Salvation trying to expose the corrupt government officials and punish those who stepped too far. Over time he began to realize these efforts were fruitless. No matter how many corrupt cops they dealt with, there was always another to take their place. There was a systemic issue and something needed to change. Upon hearing rumors that The Underground had returned Chad got into contact with Melody and inquired about the goals for the group going forward. He had worked closely with The Underground for most of his time with Salvation since the groups often held similar viewpoints, but with different ideas on how to deal with those issues. In the past he often disagreed with the chaotic methods The Underground takes but his views had changed and he felt a more direct response to the problems in the city was needed rather than the subtle tactics of his past group. He was invited to a parking garage downtown to meet with the group and discuss if he would be accepted as a member. When he arrived he saw the members of Underground and another potential recruit, Treyten. Melody knew the two had issues in the past and wanted to make sure that they would be able to work together before bringing them into the organization to avoid any future issues. After a short talk Treyten and Chad put aside their differences and were both accepted into The Underground. The group all hung out and chatted for a bit before going their separate ways for the next few hours. Later that evening two more potential recruits, TJ and Barry, were given a task to retrieve a government vehicle. They quickly completed their task and returned with a Police Scout. The decision was made to bring the Scout down to the docks where the Underground would dispose of it as a group. Melody brought over a jerry can and set it next to the cruiser. She then drew a gun, firing a round at the canister and setting the cruiser ablaze. The members of the Underground began to laugh and cheer as the Scout burned and eventually exploded. The Underground was here to stay this time and make their mark upon this city. They will burn down the corrupt institutions of this city and show the citizens they no longer need to live under this oppression.

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Two if by sea... It seemed like business as usual, another day, another shipment filled with the supplies needed for the daily operations of Salvation to be picked up. Noticing the location of the drop the group decided to risk an aquatic approach to the location. The team got in place with scouts on land making sure the area was secure to ensure everything went smoothly. After given the signal it was clear the small Dinghy driven by Chad and Amber came swooping in to pick up the crates filled with the valuable supplies. Once loaded to the brim the boat was out as quick as it came. From there it was smooth sailing back to a safe location to unload the goods with no risk of being pulled over.

After meeting with some of the different groups around the city who had shown interest in Chad joining them, he made the decision to join his new girlfriend's upcoming group due to the similar views they held on uprooting the corruption in the city. He spent a couple days running operations with them and while he enjoyed spending time with Melody and her group, he felt a disconnect with how they tended to operate. These feelings culminated into an eye opening moment during a conversation at the pier with Reggie King. Reggie poignantly asked Chad if this was the life and reputation he really wanted for himself, explaining the struggles Reggie himself faces in his daily life due to the notorious history he has developed. Chad began to think heavily on his choices, everyone else in the criminal underworld had been excited to see him back to his old ways except for Reggie. He looked back on himself and thought of his friends in white that he had been supportive of all this time. The reputation and respect of individuals like Chase, Jackie and others from Salvation had from both sides of the law was something he found admirable and desired for himself. After a tough conversation later that day with Melody, Chad's time in the Underground came to a close and he began to look towards the next chapter in his life. He informed Salvation of his decision to rejoin their cause and was welcomed back with open arms, starting back as a recruit in the group once helped create. Having left Weazel and having no other obligations stopping him, Chad began to dedicate his time to learning how the family has grown in his absence and how he could best help them with the connections he had built.

For Chad Rapkov, rejoining the family he once helped lay the foundations for was not an easy choice. He had grown accustomed to the simple and undemanding life that working for Weazel News allowed him to live as a Lead Advertiser. During his time at Weazel however, Chad would often be called upon for help gathering information on various people that Salvation was keeping tabs on. He was always happy to help his old friends as long as they kept to their original values he helped create all those months back. Salvation's ability to help people in a way the police were unable was something Chad had always admired, and he would often risk his career as an advertiser by attempting to support their goals where possible as he felt those goals were just. As Salvation expanded their horizons to bigger targets and doubled down on their efforts in vigilante work, Chad began to take bigger and bigger risks to help support his friends, slowly slipping back into the lifestyle he had left behind months prior. During this time Chad of renewed interest, he also entered into a relationship with Melody Rogers, the leader of a new group known as the Underground that held similar values of fighting corruption, but operated much more brazenly often resulting in shootouts with the police. He began to realize he could not keep up this double life he was starting to build and needed to make a choice before it was made for him.... .

Issue Being Reported: i have been unable to access my account for the government section of the forums, i have tried sending a password reset and have not received any emails about it, i was suggested to create a new account, i made a new one but now i believe there may be issues with the name, Date and Time of Issue (provide timezone): july10th-current Your characters name: Chad Rapkov Other player(s) involved: N/A Evidence and/or notes worth mentioning: The accounts name i created on there is Netlok, i feel there may be issues since its not my characters name, is there anyway to get me access into my old account or deleting the old one and changing the name of the new account to Chad Rapkov