MrDisciple

A criminal swapping vehicles is nothing short of smart realistic RP and what happens in real life... You just escaped a chase, police will be looking for your vehicle. Its only good RP to stash that vehicle and take out a new one or hop in a friends car so your not spotted again. This is not poor RP. You can not say its "the exact same thing" at all.... Police just /delcruiser + /fspawn so their cruiser is fully refuelled and all damaged fixed in a matter of 5 seconds.

Ok so you say LAPD have 6,000 vehicles and 9,900 officers. We have 107 officers. If your figures are correct, 60% of the officers get a cruiser. So if you wanna be realistic to that, then we should only have 64 vehicles....

Second point. I disagree with most of what you said. If speed cams give tickets to the car owner, then you could steal a car and go back and fourth a speed camera getting multiple reckless. In just an hour I bet you could rack tickets up to hundreds of thousand.... This would just be stupid. (RPly just assume it goes to owner and owner claims it was not them, after an investigation they realise its you and forward the fine like real life.) Being forced to be still beacuse you died just prevents RP fully. This Is a game after all, you respawn with New Life Rule and that's enough. No need for OOC punishment of not being able to RP for 10min. DOC is bad enough.

As a police officer, I know PD have 0 consequences to death. I think levelling the amount of Loss would make things fair. Consequence of being killed should be OOC suspension or salary reset of that week (work 5 hours and earn 60k, you'd lose that 60k and start back at 0). I've had horrible experience of robbing a bank and having 2 cops going solo inside attempting to fight 10 of us because if they die, who cares. If crims die, theres huge consequences and therefore value of life is so important. A criminal has 10,000 to 150,000 dollars to lose from just 1 fight and PD can respawn and within seconds be driving around again with there heavy armour and weapons. SD especially come across as extremely rich, with multi million dollar cars to their disposal... They should be underfunded and roleplay as the sheriffs department, but they don't. Thing is, if you cripple PD then it's realistic and great for the adverage criminal but richer criminals have a huge advantage. Many officers currently find PD a bit boring, that's beacuse criminals have such an incredible disadvantage of winning a fight interactions limit to only evading on a bike. (The excuse that the real LAPD gets 1.8billion a year is so invalid. They have 4 million residents, we have a couple hundred. To divide LAPD budget by each resident, it's just $450 per. To compare that budget to our population(200) its $9,000,000 per resident. Clearly that doesn't match... That being said, to make it realistic our PDs budget would technically be 90 thousand a year instead of 1.8 billion. That's going off the number that its $450 per resident in real life....)

I don't think you can picklock vehicles that are inside NCZs even if a player tried. So its possible, they're being teleported out of there which is why maybe the player was banned. Or they're towed or deleted by staff for NCZ abuse.

Issue Being Reported: The vehicles listed bellow are stuck in El Rancho Blvd. 4 and after the haloween bug taking my house keys away I can't access the house anymore. The owner who I think is Wes_Disciple is temporarily Banned. Massacro IMCUMMIN Hakuchou GBK5DFZS Date and Time of Issue (provide timezone): When Haloween update was released. Your characters name: David Disciple Evidence and/or notes worth mentioning: I would be greatful if I could receive keys back, but otherwise having these 2 vehicles put into mors free of charge with their items would also be great.

Ay finally you've started your own gang Big-T! Wish everyone all the best, goodluck!!

Lovely post yoursef!! Well done bruda!

This looks dope!! Goodluck guyzzz!!

The reason for the /ram is to gain entry to a property. The /ram is therefore limited to SWAT and FD to prevent every crim from raiding everyones house on the map while players are offline. Realistically, if a shotgun blast can open a door anyone with a shotgun should be able to open that door and not just SWAT. Criminals raiding also have to go through the pain of opening 1-3 doors just like lore enforcement. Expect ofcourse criminals actually have to pay for the equipment where obviously lore enforcement have an endless supply. The problem you raised is it takes too long. Maybe a solution to this is increasing chance of success on bolt cutters. Or allow all players to be able to shoot open doors with /ram in exteriors. And not just PD / SD. Currently the process of a house raid is fairly slow like you said. I personally don't think the PD mentality of looting criminals and locking them up as fast as possible is a healthy mindset for RP. I belive house raids especially should take time. You have an endless supply of money, you can buy as many bolt cutters as you want. Furthermore, RP doesn't stop when doors are being bolt cut, lots of opertunitys could still be going on. By speeding the process of a house raid you only decrease the chance of further RP such as criminals attempting to retrieve and save items or criminals planning an ambush as the goods are transported. Just my opinion on the whole suggestion.

Date:: 30/05/2021 around 20:30 Character name: Billy_Sander Issue/bug you are reporting: The bank alarm goes off for no apparent reason. Both tellers held up, door was cut then breached. No alarm rang. Then, still with both Tellers held up 2 allies went to behind them slowly to knock them out but before they could, alarm rings. It always seems to be around this time. (No one was drilling vault.) We did everything correctly and alarm rank. Expected behavior: Alarm rings only if: One of Tellers hands are down and someone aims at one or aims at different times causing the other to press alarm. Bolt cutting with tellers hands down or drilling with tellers hands down. - Both Tellers held up at exact same time, no alarm should ring. Both tellers arms were up allowing boltcutting to happen with alarm. - Both tellers knocked out. Alarm should not ring. Especially if at same time. - Then drilling can start after both tellers knocked out. Once drilling finishes, the alarm should go off if nothing else went wrong. Evidence: https://streamable.com/l0m49q Note: This has happened multiple times to multiple different groups.

La Fuente Blanca, the sole supplier of Illegal imports through the state of San Andreas. Argued to be the most dangerous and influential force in the state. Without LFB, gangs like Ballas would have no guns to sell. The Command of this cartel had called a meeting, every criminal organisation leader was requested to be there. Billy Sanders heard word of this meeting through his talks with Benjamin Specht, leader of Goblins. Once he found out, Billy spoke with Lost MC to gain info on where the meeting would go down. [REDACTED] from Rooks told him the time and with this information at hand, Billy prepared himself ready to represent the Ballas. Billy approached the location a little nervous, no other Ballas were in the city and so unlike the other gangs arriving, he was doing this alone. He parked his hellfire just outside, leaving his gun and knives inside his car. After a quick pat down, Billy was invited in. As he entered, the majority of the gangs were already there, silent and standing around a White Fountain in the middle of the lobby. A replica of the fountain over at the Ranch, seeming to be a signature of the cartel. Three members from each organisation had attended, their leader would sit at the table while the other two stood behind. Through the entirety of the meeting, only the gang leaders could speak, and in this case, that was Billy Sanders. As Billy took his seat, he noticed a black box in front of him. Seth Blackwood told each leader that they could open them at the end of the meeting. Then Blackwood placed his heavy revolver on the table before taking a seat with Vince Williams observing from behind him. Seth led the meeting, discussing how LFB should be seen as a legal group of supercar owners. Law enforcement shouldn’t have a single clue of their operations and that is something Billy is willing to take to his grave. The leaders and representatives sat at the table and discussed numerous topics in regards to violence and Illegal shipments. Blackwood said police chases are happening too often and that this shouldn’t be happening due to PD attention. Billy looked down as he said this, knowing he was one of the guilty ones. LFBs name also was demanded to never be said on the streets, all information regarding them should stay within the high command and not trickle down to lower ranked members. Billy couldn’t help but chuckle, he isn’t even high command although running all of Ballas operations. With every gang being present, Issac Collins (Irish Leader) brought up the idea of setting a ‘street price’ for the 50 calibre pistol. Lucifer (LostMC Leader), Dimitri (Rooks Leader), Benjamin (Goblins Leader) and Billy both voiced their agreement. Leah from LNF countered the idea, loyal clients deserve lower prices and some gangs at that table give their allies stock price. When trying to setup a minimum street value for weapons, allies could simply undercut you which is what Lucifer and Benjamin feared. The debates were going nowhere and so Blackwood shifted onto a new topic. Special imports were offered to each organisation, these orders of rare machinery and melee weapons are to be ordered directly though the cartel themselves. With orders having to amount to a minimum of $2,000,000 US Dollars. After some mild bickering between Collins and Specht, surrounding turfs and Leah's point of groups taking turf in areas they don’t belong. Blackwood pulled the meeting and invited each seated individual to open up the boxes in front of them. Billy Sanders filled with anticipation unclips the box hinge and opens it up. Comfortably sat in a secure padded box, an Antique Cavalry Dagger rested. Recovered from the civil war, only 8 exist in the whole San Andreas. After the meeting, Billy sat with Irish and Blackwood drinking whiskey on the rocks at the bar. Billy then went over to Vince Williams who runs the cartel. They exchanged phone numbers and Billy explained to Williams that the position of Head Balla had been left vacant. Williams took a liking to Billy and gave his blessing for him to step-up to Head Balla, he told Billy to “get it sorted” and keep him updated. Billy Sanders left hopeful of the future of Ballas. The role of Head Balla needs to be filled one day...

The day started like any other, Billy was up early searching for cars and bringing them back to the hood to be chopped. After having chopped a few low end cars, Billy bumped into G.W. and they got deep into conversation about JackBoyz disbanding and joining Ballas. G.W. expressed he wanted to lead the Ballas due to their lack in high command. Billy agreed with G.W, high command Ballas are hardly leaving their houses resulting in demotivation from the rest of the members. Ballas is a mess and G.W. believes he is the key to solving it. Then Dimitri Mandojev, Russian leader, was spotted driving through the hood. Billy ran up to Dimitri asking him why the Russian Mob are still utilizing the hood for their business. The rest of JackBoyz followed behind backing Billy up as he told the Russians to stop acting like a street gang and to leave the hood. After the Russians left, Sumana came up to Billy and introduced himself. Sumana used to rep purple for the East Side Ballas which had Billy interested in learning how that version of Ballas used to run Grove. Trae had previously mentioned that Sumana would be a good fit for the Ballas so Billy decided to hear him out. They both went back to Grove St to talk with Omar Bishop, getting him to recruit Sumana as Billy isn’t high command. Recruiting isn’t Omars strength and so Billy took the reins and started questioning and testing Sumana to see if he’s truly fit for Ballas. After a long round of questions from Billy, he gave the all clear to Omar that Sumana should be given a chance. Omar agreed and so Sumana became a Hood Rat. The following night Billy was cruising the hood when a convoy of bikers came flying past. LostMC had traveled down from Sandy Shores hunting for the Russian Mob. Billy and the rest of the bikers pulled into Forum Drive to talk diplomacy. Lost leader and underboss both introduced themselves to Billy, numbers were exchanged and deals were made. Billy is slowly building the relations between Ballas and LostMC, with a shared common enemy, The Russian Mob. Then in the following days, the Russians came back to the hood to hold it down, scaring off the African Americans with their big guns and armored vests. Billy pulled up on his bike to question what the Russians wanted, and it was nothing but a fight. So, the LostMC came down and Billy made it clear to them that he wanted the Russians gone by any means necessary. Moments later shots were fired, Russians appeared from the Roofs of megamall sniping down at Lost. The bikers managed to huddle together and push forward against the Russians killing all those whos hand't already fled. The remaining few scattered away, LostMC had won this fight. Billy congratulated them on their victory, helping clean up the mess. All Russians vehicles were then chopped and Lost went back up to Sandy Shores. Billy traveled up to Stab City to discuss options for both Ballas and LostMC to help each other. He told them there are very few Ballas in the hood and that for Ballas to fight Russians would be insane. Through all the turf conflicts Billy has been speaking with Russian Mobs high command to make sure peace is kept, if it wasn’t for him, the Russian Mob would have already hit Ballas members by now!

Damm bro seems like you had a rough upbringing! Loving the RP your sharing, so intricate!

The Russian Mob had recently gained cartel access. With this, they must take turfs around the map of San Andreas to be able to import blackmarket items across the border. Unfortunately for them, all turfs are being held and no one is willing to budge. The Russians first hit turf in the industrial area, creating conflict with Los Nostra Famiglia, an Italian syndicate. Once they took full control, Russians came into ‘The Hood’, a rundown stingy area currently being run by Ballas with the protection of 6ix7even and presence of JackBoyz. An area you would not expect Mobsters to ever be entering. Without diplomacy the Russians began laundering cash. Mac Mango, a Begun, told Billy Sanders they had intentions to take the launder. With this information at hand, Billy attempted to reach out to their high command and have their leader Dimitri come to Grove St. After this was setup Billy then called Kevin and Troy to be by his side for the chat. While the Ballas patiently waited in the circle of Grove, Ramon pulled in with a neon and claimed to represent Dimitri. Kevin told Ramon that the Russians were to “stay out of Megamall, Forum Drive and Grove”, basically the hood in general. Ramon replied “We are not capturing it, nothings been decided” but Billy was in much disbelief. Kevin replied “If you take the turf it will be hell for you” and this is when the situation escalated. Ramon told Billy, “your boy will regret his words” as he quickly ran off into his car. Billy thought that The Russians had acted childish during there first interaction, quickly driving away shouting “Your a fucking piece of shit” after Billy had given them respect. That day was a fine example that The Russians could not be reasoned with. A few days after the talk with Ramon, The Russians had successfully taken over Ballas chop and launderer. It seemed Ramon wasn’t exaggerating after all. Billy couldn’t get hold of any of his high command and so he took the initiative and started to outsource. A gang known as The Firm operate out of 'the hood' and have had previous feuds with Russians. Billy met with Mr and Mrs B at Jamestown. He got them hooked on the idea of The Firm supplying Ballas with packed money and stolen vehicles. Although asked, Billy did not offer The Firm cheap weaponry in return for their help. The trust wasn’t there and weaponry wouldn’t help them with supplying Ballas cash and cars anyway. Cleverly, he got them onside without giving anything up. The only thing The Firm would get out of the situation is respect from Ballas.

Loving all the arty posts! Well done!! Some great RP in this faction!

It was just another standard night, the Ballas were hanging around Grove with nothing to do. Kevin suggested they hit stores and so Billy grabbed his BF400 and they went up north with Trae. After a few successful robberies Lola Millers, from Daichead Gadi, reached out to Kevin for a chat. Kevin informed Billy and they both went down to Grove. As Billy was driving in, David from 6ix7even pulled in front with his Paragon R blocking Billy's tracks. David was in urgent need of .50 cal ammo, Billy had this quickly arranged and Kevin sold the ammo. While they did this, Billy got talking with Dara and Lola at Grove Street. Billy had previously met Lola from his past involvement with Dojin-Kai and so they caught up on a few things before diving into the deeper reason behind the meeting. Ballas and Irish have been fairly close since OCB took back control of Grove. Daichead Gadi were the driving force behind acquiring turf around the hood, stealing it from LNF. Now it was time for Ballas to repay Irish with more than just gratitude. Both Dara and Lola explained to them that they should no longer sell guns and ammunition to 6ix7even. Essentially Ballas had been supplying 6ix7even with the guns used to attack Irish with, this was one of the reasons Billy chose to sell to other gangs instead of 6ix7even. Kevin agreed to never sell guns but exclaimed that drug sales would still go on as normal. Goblins, an ally of 6ix7even, had recently taken Ballas turf which Irish had to then take, holding it until Ballas could hold it themselves again. With 6ix7even being allied with Goblins it was evident that supplying them would essentially make matters worse for the Ballas. 6ix7even use their weapons to support Goblins who have stolen Ballas turfs. Given 6ix7even guns is far from logical. They’re talks came to a quick close after Detective Steele decided to pull in and see what was going on, Irish also had members wondering Grove with a shotgun and so staying there would only lead to avoidable arrests. To Billy Sanders, Irish seemed to have turfs very much under control with full rain over north and city, Goblins are clearly ‘down bad’. The choosing of sides is not something Ballas have ever planned on doing. Billy wants to keep his brothers alive and out of harm's way, making sure relations are neutral all round. With the drug exchanges still going, 6ix7even are kept happy. Billy has multiple contacts from 6ix7even allowing them to reach out to sell drugs. Not long after the Irish meeting, a 6ix7even member sold $150,000 worth of LSD through Billy at $600 a piece. Billy Sanders has always enjoyed the company of 6ix7even, especially when most of the Ballas have been staying in their houses. When Billy first met Ballas they were with Kush and since then Kush has been by his side. A week back, Billy had a drop landing in Sea Lab and Kush offered to hold it down while Billy collected it. Kush pulled through and also had Goblins protecting the drop. Once Billy secured his crates under the protection of 6ix7even, Kush offered to have him escorted back just in case Billy gets injured or ambushed on the way. Since then Billy has had nothing but respect for all members of 6ix7even. Kush has shown the most respect to Billy out of every other gang in Los Santos and Billy hopes to one day repay him.

Another amazing post once again @WillowRaven !!

The sun slowly rose up the northern landmass of San Andreas shedding light onto North Lab. Billy Sanders cycled along the train tracks looking over the lab, checking for activity. He transmitted on his radio that it was clear for entry and the rest of the Ballas entered. They parked their dirt bikes to the side and started to collect Mariquana plants. Billy used his plants to grind up and trim on the inside workbenches creating blunts for them all. Out of respect for The Goblins who owned the lab at the time, we did not dare sell any excess blunts that hadn’t already been smoked. Billy felt it was necessary to remain respectful to other gangs turf to avoid unnecessary conflicts. Through the hold-down of North Lab, no one tried to come in. It seems it was too early for other criminals to be awake. They farmed for about 30min and left with their pockets full, having replanted multiple times. Billy then went off on his own into Sea Lab where he got talking to Apollo, a Rook. There was a fight about to happen between The Rooks and another group which obviously Billy had no interest in joining. Although strapped, he didn’t care for Rooks enough to risk his life for them. Billy quickly left, with hopes Apollo would survive the fight. Back in Grove Billy got talking with one of his high command, Kevin Craft, about Los Santos Drift. Billy wanted to have both gangs introduced and to start a relationship with one another. Drift had been building numbers for a while now and so after Billy met Moda (Their Leader), he passed his number straight onto Kevin who had them come down to Grove for a chat. With tensions building between Goblins, 6ix7even, Rooks and Irish it had been apparent for Billy to make sure all large organisations know that Ballas play no part in it despite living next to 6ix7even. Billy Sanders knew members of drift are Ex-Goblins, but as they’ve been hitting banks with Russians who at this point had been fighting against Goblins, no one was sure of where they stood. Their chat was short, Billy led the conversation and both gangs now knew where each other stood. Gun running operations were barely discussed with Drift as that would be had at a later date. Moda brushed off very well and earned the respect of Billy that day. Billy Sanders aims to keep showing his leadership and a good initiative in hopes he will one day be considered for high command. There isn’t one day where Billy isn’t farming plants, chopping cars, building relations, hitting stores and hustling in the hood.

Loyalty is key! Billy Sanders strives for it, and that's exactly what the Original Covenant Ballas are to him! The hood has increased in popularity over the last months with Ballas, Jackboyz and 6ix7even. Parties every weekend, dice games and fights being thrown almost every night now. This outburst of popularity brought the attention of the Russian Mob. Billy Sanders met with some of them to discuss his pricing and the hustle was on... It was a late afternoon, the sun had just fallen behind the sea and the noise of constant traffic started to settle. Billy had Kevin Craft place an order for some drug equipment to be shipped in from the cartel. Both Ballas went up to collect the drop using Billy’s Chino Custom and that's when a challenge hit them. Driving up the off-road track, the Chino’s wheels got stuck in some thick mud. So, they both stepped out and went on foot. With the drop seconds from landing, Billy feared it was open to being compromised. Upon arriving, everything went smoothly, the drop was secured, taken back down to the Chino and loaded up without interruption. Later on, Billy met back with the same Russians and exchanged the goods for a profitable amount of cash. After trust was built Billy had Bishop place an order of acid for them, which they picked up. A couple days later, another Russian introduced himself to Billy and even more workbenches were ordered for them. It was just hustle after hustle for Billy Sanders... A week later, Russians decided to cut the middleman (Billy) out and order straight from Cartel themselves, but this wouldn't discourage Billy in the slightest. He now focuses on Los Santos Drift, Bloods and The Firm for his gunrunning and drug operations. Following his success, It was time to celebrate! Billy Sanders met with his good friend from the Rooks, Kaito Owen, for a few beers before entering the night club. They ended up sneaking in with 6ix7even members without paying a dime. It was a notoriously wild night for the pair, full of drugs and women!!

Billy Sanders' father Xavier Sanders spent his whole life in Grove repping purple through his later years there. That was until he received the death penalty in 1988 for multiple aggravated murders. Billy looks up to Xavier, he saw him as an admirable man who upheld respect for his mother although she was unfaithful. Xavier would never lay his hands on a women no matter the situation. As for her lovers… Well, let's just say they won’t be making that mistake again! Years later Billy found out his mother had been working with the DEA and so he ran away from home leaving Grove behind. Without his father to guide him and no mother, he didn’t become a member of OCB straight away. Instead he landed himself in Bolingbroke Penitentiary where he met Tom Winters who invited him to join Dojin-Kai. In the early days of Dojin-Kai, member count was low and main operations was just money making for the treasury. After a month Billy was no longer interested and left to join his friend Jack in The Shelbys to help fight in the war against Skulls. After their success, Shelbys' grew large and ended up siding with Dojin and WCA against The Council. This was the downfall of The Shelbys and left Billy without a place to call home with the majority of his friends dead. A whole year later he returned back to Grove St and met Omar Fury and Kush from 6ix7even.. Ballas and 6ix7even were having boxing matches against each other. Billy Sanders went up against one of Kush’s strongest members, bets from both gangs were thrown in and then they were off. Thousands of dollars were at stake, Billy knew he had to impress his new high command. Halfway through the fight, he blocked a punch and threw his opposition onto the pavement thinking this would finish him off. To everyone's surprise, the 6ix7even member got straight back up again. Billy took punch after punch until he collapsed down to the ground concussed. The rest of the Balla's although losing bets were still proud. Later that week we all went over to Jamestown for a BBQ with 6ix7even and although PD kept making appearances the event was a great success. Even JackBoyz got involved and all 3 gangs got on very well with each other. Billy Sanders hopes to keep on proving himself to the rest of the Balla's to rank-up and dive into the heart of their operations. He can now officially call Grove his home!

Then this should stay banned, and robberies against people who are out to kill you and have previously killed your allies (longer than 3 hours ago) should be allowed in areas not highly public. You ready my suggestion wrong : (

Lol DM rights as you know last 3hours, I mentioned in my example it was 'Last week' not 2 hours ago. Enough RP reason doesn't give you rights to public robbery, DM rights does but this is a 3hour cap. Anything past that is non-rp which I think is wrong. You think my suggestion is to get rid of player theft rules, your wrong. I never said robberies should be conducted in "highly" public areas, they shouldn't. But every street is treated as public, whether it be night or day its treated the same, whether its in del perro or in strawberry its treated the same. I believe this shouldn't be the case. Player theft Rules should be slackened, there doesn't always have to be one extreme to another. Don't think of it like that. My main argument is the rules in place counts robberies against enemies to be "random" therefore non-rp although there is a huge amount of prior hostile RP. Robbing someone who killed your friends yesterday at night on a general street corner isn't allowed. Yes also robbing someone at pier isn't allowed and that can stay. I'll reiterate, I'm not suggesting this rule to be removed, just slackened. You get scammed 300k, you see the scammer a couple days later and will receive non-rp for robbing them at night on a street corner away from any landmark. Every street is public, otherwise it wouldn't be a street. Not everywhere is highly public and the places that aren't should allow enemy gangs to rob each other in.

Take gang lores into consideration. Like yourself for example, as a high end faction we can't use chopshops. When it comes down to it, there are few areas you can rob gang rivals. If you attempt to do such things in labs, you shout demands with intention to kill and normally or always results in a giant fight between 2 or more gangs. This is very different to what I'm opposing. Example of what I want and what you feel is non-rp; You see a rival who you witnessed kill your family last week, and roll up on them at 4am walking home. In real life, mafias and such would drive by kill these members without even stepping out the vehicle. Of-course as this is a game it would make it un-fun for the person being shot which is why DM rules are created. So instead, a robbery would be nice.

I completely agree, relaxing the rules to allow high RP robberies would be an amazing addition. Thanks for sharing your perspective. Relaxing the rules and possible player guide into robberies may improve them on the sever. I also don't agree with pulling up on someone you don't know and putting them under fear-rp getting there gun and driving off in a matter of minuets. In my opinion, a robbery is about financial gain, that's the purpose of it in real life. Also in real life, a criminal would attempt to rush a robbery as its realistic and gives less time to be caught and less time for the victim to think of any other way but to comply with whats said. Prior RP to robberies, planning and executions with handing out parts and positions should be the thing that needs extending and RP focus on.