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You firmly believe undercover law enforcement, whether local or federal do not dress and act like criminals during undercover operations? I don't appreciate the metagaming comments because none of these situation (as far as I'm aware) have been brought to the attention of leaders in the LSPD. And quite frankly, I'm one of those people that believe /alias should be removed same with IDs above players heads. Should hold a hotkey down to reveal a player ID and that's it.

Name em

My brother in christ if you're going to try to hit me with a "gotcha" moment at least attack my points with logic not with sarcastic responses.

Ive seen countless houses for sale around the map recently for 100-200k.

Why are people playing an RP server to "grind" for assets. Should the main goal of a roleplay server not be to craft storylines or fun interactions? This is an RP server not an MMORPG where you need to min-max everything. If you're spending days, weeks and months grinding that is days, weeks and months spent on minimal player interaction with minimal storycrafting. The server is not about taking Ws or taking Ls.

Thats literally the problem, you knew you were going to die but decided to shoot anyway. Why not surrender and save yourself the time/fines. Think less about nerfing something to get a win and instead more about "how could /I/ have played this differently". You could argue you wanted to have fun and shoot just for shits and giggles but then you also have to accept the consequences of your own actions. You took a fight that you KNEW was a losing battle and still find a way to complain about it.

I WONT LET YOU ALL DOWN!!!

I can do it. Pick me pick me!!!

See you seem to understand it. I personally don't think there is a disconnect between people that make detective and the rest of the server. Making detective, (at least in PD) - is a long journey that filters out a lot of people. Not only do you have to be in the department long enough to achieve a certain rank, you also need to go through the detective training program which can last multiple months. That is two filters that knocks out anyone that can't get into the mindset for it. There's not much that a person set into the detective branch in the F4 menu has different than a regular law enforcement officer. You hit the hammer on the head there with your explanation. A lot of the "gotcha" moments that you get when you deal with detectives is mostly due to hard work, elbow grease and a sprinkle of outside-the-box thinking. I'll be honest. The ballistics system is wack, the lack of script supported GSR tests is wack and the lack of forensics script is wack. I think fixing the ballistic system and the addition of the latter two things I mentioned there would help people in game a lot. Less /me and /do and more script support for things that ultimately might put a player in prison for a long time. Having to /me and /do forensics and GSR really leaves people with a sour taste as it feels like a chess match trying to see who wins by wording things better. To reiterate my original post, I think the original discussion here was posted with mal-intent. Lets be honest, nobody needs to know IC procedures of anyone in an OOC matter other than administrators. Why should I as a cop be informed of how the drop system works without finding out through in-character means. Why does a criminal need to know how a player business works without finding out through in-character means. Why does a civilian need to know how investigations are performed without finding out through in-character means? I feel like using the guise of "WE MUST KNOW HOW DETECTIVES OPERATE OOCLY SO WE CAN SUGGEST THINGS" is just a huge straw man and tu quoque.

Just say you want IC information to be relayed to you OOCly and call it a day. Don't use the disguise that you want to "suggest" things.

Glad you agree! First bullet point, you hit the nail on the head with that one. The DM rule needs to be reworked. I have no issues being shot at as an LEO. I think people needing an entire storyline and a university level thesis to be able to shoot someone is ridiculous. I don't expect anyone I have IC beef with to have to check boxes to be able to kill me. I'll RP as the type of detective to roll up to a gang block by myself and shoot-the-shit, talk smack playfully etc. Anyone in OTF can vouch for that @Chris_. Can they shoot me over it? Sure. Would I get mad if that did OOCly? No! Would their actions have consequences IN-CHARACTER though? ABSOLUTELY. I've been shot on sight by @PhenomenalX many times, I have not reported him a single time. If I survive, I'll get my get-back in game. If I spawn at pillbox then I take the L and move on. As long as people realize actions in game have consequences in game then I think the server would be in a better state. __________ Second bullet point, I think NLRing someone is enough get-back in my honest opinion. Trying to get someone fired spirals to out-of-character hatred real fast if left unchecked. Not saying everyone turns bitter, but I have seen some bitter players file IA reports just because they have OOC hatred for others.

The craziest part to me about this entire conversation is players roleplaying as cop killers relying on internal affairs to handle their issues. As if someone like that would ever go through the internal affairs process. I think a lot of people forget they're playing characters and their characters actions have consequences, they should also play their characters in a way that cop killers and hardened gangsters would. When someone that just finished shooting and murdering 3 cops on a scene gets shot down and the first thing they scream is "BADGE NUMBERS", it kind of turns into a joke at that point. Same thing with people posting forum reports. Ive seen so many players that want to PVP, have every intention to PVP and even attempt to bait shootouts that get shot earlier than expected and then they immediately go to forum reports. I have personally witnessed someone get a gun pulled on them at a lab, they SLOWLY drive away, WAIT FOR THE PERSON THAT PULLED ON THEM TO GET IN THEIR CAR, do a loop in place to let them catch up, then only when the person catches up do they drive off. Then they get shot before their gang can set up and ambush and they immediately cry DM. Its a plague in the community. RP your cop killer properly in game and stop crying to internal affairs, stop getting salty your enemies send you to pillbox.

You know what? Fuck it I volunteer to be the 3rd party investigator..

this mf speakin facts

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Normally all I do is shitpost on the forums and joke around. Due to this comment, i'll get serious for a bit. Your statement here that I quoted is the biggest false narrative I've ever heard. Any time an interaction with ANYONE does not go someone's way it goes to "SAVE POV FOR.. <insert rule here>." If what you're saying is true, the amount of forum reports would be minimal, but no. Attachment to assets, winning conflict over forum reports and attempting to get opposition banned is easier for players than taking an L on an RP server. Before anyone argues "but i lose so much when I get arrested". This statement is irrelevant because someone interested in playing a character does not give a fuck about the monetary value of assets. Someone here to create RP experiences shouldn't be grinding for assets. If you're playing a gangster character that flexes and strongarms everyone and one of your enemies runs up and just blasts you while you're sitting in your car doing nothing and your first instinct is "SAVE POV FOR DEATHMATCH", then sorry to say you're playing an RP game wrong.

As a good british friend of mine that has a brother that is banned from the community would say: Internal Affairs can lick my knob!!!

We need to take LSPD and move their jurisdiction to Cayo Perico and have them based there. Then have Los Santos patrolled by the citizens as a well regulated militia. SD can stay in the county (they kinda mid).

Ayo fuck that guy!!! Cyrus Carver is a douche!!

Yo my name lacarpetron dookmarriot but people call me dook played for the nfl...

Yeah.. you could say im an NGRP veteran myself..

ill buy your whole inventory, 150k, some lint and a button that fell off one of my shirts