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How do you he feels like it? Did you ask him? Plus if he's just sitting around in it, he's not chasing anyone is he?

Well, if you think about it, the Jugular wasn't obtainable either until the PD had one so perhaps this is something that the staff team could look into? But at the same time, not everything has to be identical to be balanced. As for the D10 not being that great, if you don't need to do silly things like brake and turn then it's great.

I'll answer this, as ultimately it was my decision to add the vehicle in the first place. Regarding any rule, there was no rule, it was just simply a decision that we made as a collective to go ahead with. It was something that I had proposed doing, in part because the super cars that we had did not have any lights or sirens so in terms of function, there was a drawback to using it. Additionally, we wanted to pursue perhaps more of a realistic direction at that time. Now, as far as player counts go, respectfully there are 137 people in the LSPD faction and 84 people in the LSSD faction, that's 221 people. Are the PD and SD factions not deserving of support as well as the other factions and areas of the server? Is PD and SD people getting bored and fed up with the same old same and leaving the server not also detrimental? I'd answer that part by saying there are a number of factors why the server population is less but thats another thread for another time. I've done my fair share, even as someone that has mained a cop on the server, for the criminals. Whether that's map support for the official factions, threads, or creating custom drip for them. I've done those things, at times, in spite of what management wanted and it's fucking cost me, I can't lie. But, I'm not just modding for cops, I'm modding for everyone. I'll be transparent with you, the D10 isn't the only high performance vehicle that I have ideas to add for law enforcement and the reason being, because it serves a purpose. @Lincoln Derose is unfortunately talking crap, because there are only specific circumstances in which we can use it. I know this because I'm the one that oversees that in PD and if I see instances of people fucking about, misusing these things then they'll feel the business end of my foot in their ass for sure. If Legal Faction Management want to sit down and have a conversation about our usgae, then we can have that as well, no problem. If we're concerned about high performance vehicles, do we want to start getting rid of the Issi Sports and the Paragons and the Jugulars from the server? No, of course not. Do we want to stop people taking bikes off-road when they're in pursuits with cars? No, of course not. Do we want to allow these sort of vehicles to go off-road or to start ramming people? No, of course not. I actually respect the fact that you're concerned enough @checkky to make a thread on it and I can see why you'd feel some type of way, but there are ideas to add some more high performance vehicles for civilians as well. I'm sure I'll have some concerned cops in my DMs about those, such is life. What I'll end on, is that I and in fact the rest of the team are conscious of preserving a reasonable level of balance where possible. As far as I'm concerned, I'm a modder first and a PD member second in these things.

There are certain aspects of what the OP said, that make sense. If people took character development seriously, why would you risk talking to the Police? Doing that in the criminal underworld is one of the worst things that you can do and yet people will do it because they're not playing a character but playing the game. That said, it's an avenue that people should be able to go down if they want to do it. OOC, I think it's a little skeevy to do it. IC, I think my character would appreciate the heads up as a cop but still think it's kind of skeevy. What doesn't make any sense really is the whole hardened criminals using internal affairs. I get it if you are someone with minimal interaction with the cops or you're a full on civilian. If you feel you've been treated a certain way, absolutely right? But, if you're a mass murdering, arrest a day kind of lunatic or you're one of these people chirping about how the government is corrupt and that, why would your character entrust the PD or SD to police itself in-character? I'd love to be able to be a little corrupt to people that are that far outside the law, I think it's more interesting but given the environment we have to act in, I'm locked in a box, because everyone records and everyone has a story to tell. I can't take Anakin Bringer to jail the long way and beat his ass in alley while he's cuffed, even though my character would love to because 9/10 times that'd end in me getting my character fired. Bringing it back to the OP's discussion, we don't need to box up criminals and what actions they can do anymore. There just needs to be some common sense and some balance to it. That goes with all aspects of what criminals do in game, whether it's this or prison breaks or hostage situations or whatever. If the situation justifies it and the roleplay supports the sense behind it, go for it.

While I personally liked the old lab system, criminal RP and making money are not the same thing.

I can't do diddly squat about some of these things are they are because there isn't any information for the Police BF yet in the database. This is why instead of it showing as a bike on the GPS, it looks like the Riddler is in a police chase. The fuel is the same thing. The Police BF is going to be reclassified as a motorcycle, so that it behaves as it's civilian counterpart in terms of the script. Both our developers are working on other projects right now, so I suggest either just grin and bare it until such time as they can be fully integrated or alternatively, use an alternative vehicle that you used prior to the implementation.

Yeah, they'd just ignore it and run when able like the tasers.

Yeah but can't let the truth get in the way of a good story. I got no reason to lie, to any one about this stuff but at the same time, people are going to believe what they want to believe. The same people that will moan about realism, are the same ones that think a spotlight and camera on a police helicopter is unreasonable. Until you've been in the helicopter and used the camera in a pursuit, don't talk. Because, it's just yapping at that point. None of this vague "some cops told me so" bollocks. I pride myself on calling it as it is and speaking openly with people, you might not like the responses you get but at least you get one. We made our own concessions to ensure the heli cam was fair and it was tweaked and then approved by the server owner/dev. In all honesty, we probably could have just sent it as is and we may have gotten more of an advantage. We removed the thermal imaging from it, because it was like xray vision. We hard capped the light brightness and size because it was too aggressive. We made in-character policies to regulate what level of light we used in different situations so that it was both from a game point of view, acceptable and somewhat realistic. The locking feature was designed to break, on the line of sight being interrupted. Originally, it was written in javascript and had to be converted, somewhere initially as @HobGoblinsaid, that conversion broke it but it's working as intended now. Graffiti right now is less balanced than the heli camera, but I don't see the same level of outrage and urge to address that on these forums. I don't dislike criminal RP and I've done as much as anyone to support it, but I'm sick of seeing people slandering me and my fellow faction members, like we're some third world government or something. Educate yourselves properly on the facts of the matter, don't make wild assumptions and accusations, because reality is, PD and SD voluntarily hold back on a lot of stuff in the interest of fairness and it doesn't take being threatened to do so. We're responsible factions.

Because the person that developed it, is a law enforcement roleplayer and they made something that is exclusively for law enforcement? And also, in my opinion, there are very few reliable people on the criminal side left anymore that can give a balanced and informed opinion on stuff like this. I could probably name them on two hands with a couple fingers left to spare. If you wanna go deeper, most of the high up admin team are law enforcement based. Hell, I'm on the modding team and I'm law enforcement based I don't know where you are getting that it's aim-bot, you have to use a key on your keyboard to lock on and if the line of sight is broken, which it is really easy to break, then you can't lock onto the vehicle again. It's not our fault that people have not yet adapted to things. I'm not being funny when I say this, but if we add stuff then people complaint. If we don't add stuff then people complain. I complained about how silly the current implementation of the spray paint was and how people were misusing it. You know what I was told? It'll calm down. So, don't worry, it'll calm down. I hate to break it to you but you're in the minority mate. Great, 10+ crims support your claim, how many have used the heli camera? How many criminals do we have playing on the server? Those 10 criminals will probably go on the other anti-cop threads with an axe to grind and do the same thing, you'll see the same people over and over again. I don't know what these people do in-game but I know what they do on the forums. Also, I gotta be honest with you, I was flying the helicopter as the main pilot and I'm pretty average at flighting, at best. The only time you may have lost me was by the Scrapyard when you U-Turned going to the Marina. By that time though, we had ground units on you. The spotlight was just for immersion and I had to keep yelling at Cowell to provide updates because he wasn't really paying attention to the pursuit. I can't wait for the new lab locations to drop and have 'well, he's just moved them there so its easier for cops to catch them' or for the clothes to come and be told 'well, he's just done faction clothing so they are easier to arrest'. The same person that made the heli camera for us, is the same person that made the graffiti script for you. I'm arguing with you about this but I'll be honest with you, the bias accusation at me isn't going to wash because I've done more than my fair share for Eclipse's criminal community. That didn't just involve making big threads that went nowhere, I actually did shit but I'm starting to think that was a mistake and wasn't worth my time. I would be really thankful that there is someone else willing to commit time and effort to making stuff for this server, if I were a regular player, if I'm honest. And as for those people in PD that were involved in this, some of them in particular have been instrumental in making sure things are as fair for you as possible. Maybe their endeavors were misplaced as well.

The problem is that there isn't actually a problem, only an assumption of one because people either don't know the facts of the matter. Even before the helicopter camera and spotlight was given to Paulius, the functionalities were balanced by high up members of the cop community. The original version had a built in thermal camera, it had a built in plate scanner, it had a bright spotlight that went up to 10. The spotlight brightness was hard-capped at 7 and the decision was made by PD leadership, to only go up to x amount during pursuits, so that evading players wouldn't be overtly effected by it. The thermal camera was removed also. So, already, you have members of the cop community opting to scaling back on something, to be fair to those we're chasing. The script is sent to Paulius and the subject of the plate reader comes up. Perfectly legitimate in terms of real life, but deemed by the higher staff to be too far. Paulius tests out the heli-camera and questions if the lock on is supposed to break as much as it does. The implication being that it's actually quite easy to break it and it is. The feature is then put into the server, with responsible and realistic guidelines for everyone to follow. Now, in terms of the original posters complaint, I think it's a fair question because if it's the Paragon pursuit from earlier. They took a Kamacho offroad from Catfish to Paul's Farm, drove up Senora to Bayview and got into a Paragon. They went from Bayview to Chiliad Tunnel, then Stab City then to Route 68 then up through the Vinewood Hills to where they were eventually caught at Red Parking. My point being, there are no obstacles to block the helicopter's line of sight in that route. It's some tall trees and a tunnel. A tunnel has two ends and the trees, if you're at 800ft, you can see above them all anyway. It's easy to call for democracy and fairness and common sense when that spotlight is shining on PD, but I sort of lose sympathy when we've got people dropping fireplaces while cuffed and insta-spray painting how much the PD loves semen on the inside of Government buildings. At least we made reasonable concessions and one would assume that having implemented it, the developer and owner of the server is good with it, as is.

This sort of goes into the usual forum territory of assumption, so I'll try and explain it to you without giving the game completely away. The "lock" is dependent on maintaining a line of sight, if the line of sight is broken, then the lock is broken. Going through a tunnel breaks the lock. If you had for example, gone into the tunnel and u-turned, the camera would not have relocked itself. But I bet you exited the other side, at which point, it can be re-locked. If this was the Paragon situation, there is a pilot and a co-pilot. One person operates the aircraft and one operates the camera/spotlight. Just because you didn't lose the helicopter doesn't mean it cannot be done. Bare in mind also, spotlight or camera aside, most of the pilots in SD and PD have put hours and hours into practicing pursuit flying. In short, it's not the script doing it for us. We're just good. And honestly, this was tested by the server owner prior to being implemented and they actually queried whether or not it was supposed to break so easy. Could it just be that you didn't take enough evasive action?

No, after.

Na, I've just played here long enough and see enough to know what the vibe really is. It's a cops and robbers role-play server at heart and that's why you've got a high number of cops and crims on the server. The server ain't set up to get the most out of civilian roleplay and there's different servers that put more of an emphasis on things like character development and passive roleplay. Here we about chases, cussing and clapping. Don't believe the propaganda you read.

- Text them and tell them where you are? Call them and tell them what you can see? - I think shared waypoints would be a decent idea. - Hunting is outdated but we're not giving people free guns lmao. - I'd say there are too many civilians, to be honest. Although, maybe consider if ECRP is the right server for you because it sounds like we're trying to play different servers? It's highly doubtful this server is going to shift drastically from what it is.

Yeah, ban evading is one of those that I don't think someone should be able to come back from. Not only did you show a disregard for the rules to get banned in the first place, you then show you still dont respect the rules after? Not someone that needs to be here. For things like using cheats, I come from SA:MP so I think my thought process is a little different. I think cheating that first time is a lengthy ban but an eventual unban, possibly with a stats wipe or something. Feel the same about DSO as well. Do that shit twice though? Be gone and stay gone.

Double Posted, opa.

I wasn't making a political statement when I said "No different OOC than it is now." My point was, that perhaps in-character having Weazel News being privately owned moving forward, rather than funded by the Government in-character would make more sense, for their roleplay. Perhaps the funding might need to be reviewed somewhat as they wouldn't be a gov funded faction but still OOCly sponsored. Out of Character, they would still be funded by the server as they couldn't sustain themselves without it, but they wouldn't be a Government-funded entity anymore. GOV then isn't responsible for them in-character and it saves GOV having to deal with a headache. They can put out the content that they want to put out but they'd be independent. Hermann can do his thing. If they start breaking the law, there's no GOV protection for them. They'd be expected to follow certain rules OOC but the IC dynamic would change. For me, that has been my only real problem with Weazel. It's not what they write about, it's that they are collecting their salaries from the same place as me, it seems silly.

No different OOC than it is now.

Lewis is the best man for the job. He's the only head administrator that actually wants to do it as well, which limits the options. Democracy works in real life but on here, we'd end up electing Ronnie Bathsheba or Luke Lennon. I love you Ronnie and praise Flarg, but that's not something we need to see. Anyone that thinks otherwise should be cuffed to a hospital bed like Andy Tyrie was.

While this might not be something that you or various other individuals in the community are particularly happy with, what is undeniable is that it has created roleplay from it happening. Just for me personally, I've been a witness to the Weazel vehicles being seized, I've witnessed the argument between Grace and Lewis at Weazel, I've got into arguments with Cyrus and Hermann on LifeInvader plus, I've been the subject of an internal affairs report AND there has been an inquiry to the LSPD about this. That has, just from the PD side of things created roleplay that @Clank, myself, Joe Riggy, Alex Schill and Mike Luigi have all taken part in to some degree and that doesn't happen if Lewis doesn't take those vehicles. Then you look at people from Weazel like Hermann and Grace getting involved. You've got Cyrus Raven on his soap box. You've got Elena Flores defending the LSPD and issuing statements. Additionally, you have Weazel employees making accusations against Lewis, you have the medical roleplay involving Andy Tyrie which I was involved in, that involved the Chief of MD, the Assistant Chief of MD, The Warden, whatever Jimimthy is, Lewis, Emily Whitehorse, Hope Kant, Julia Whitehorse, Phillipe Sanchez, Scott Dunbar and myself. It's my long winded way of saying that, just because you do not personally agree with a certain type of roleplay, does not mean that it is necessarily bad for the server. I've had to learn that the hard way because I've had a fair but to say about the whole Judicial Branch / Law Review Committee and I still think that whole thing is massively convoluted and detrimental to the server. I'll fucking die of old age on that hill and I'll die alone but as a player base we're not appreciative of that level of roleplay and don't have a high enough quality of roleplayer to consistently make it make sense. Two things. I'm sorry but the only people that should be trusted to be the ultimate in-character authority in the server, are individuals that the founders have decided to be head administrators. Because they are best placed to consider all the angles and ultimately, they are in those positions because they are trusted the most by the server owners OOC to run the community. If you can run a community, you can run an IC government. SAGOV is basically like Lewis' party faction. Dude just wants to attend parties, have meetings and live his best life. Lewis and when Osborn and Dani are around, are probably the fairest and most reasonable people to be doing this sort of thing. If BallinByNature was still in this community as what Lewis is right now, would any one dare to make a post like this? No man, heads would roll. Leave Lewis alone man, he's a little zesty at times, he gets a little drunk but he's fair people. Weazel being a government funded faction, then turning around and every now and then slandering key personnel in government factions is low-key, high-key retarded. It would be like someone working in the media at XBOX, putting out statements that Phil Spencer, the CEO is corrupt. You'd get fired so fast for doing that shit, not get your keyboard taken away. You don't see Saudi news stations talking shit about the Sheikh do you? Can't complain about GOV taking your vehicles when they are literally paying for them. They don't own their building, they don't own their vehicles, hell even the uniforms are a rental and you're just going to slander THE boss and not expect anything to happen lmao? I see three potential ways Weazel can progress, at this point. Because the server does not need a second news faction, any more than it needed a third mechanic faction or a law review committee. ONE. The current leadership agrees to an OOC moderation of it's content, where the output either makes sense for a government-funded news outlet or they are willing to remove people that post inflammatory content which would have in-character consequences for the company. TWO. Weazel News becomes a privately run news company in-character but is still funded OOCly by GOV, as they are now. Perhaps @Bakmeel 's group of multi-nationalist criminal book readers can be behind the purchase. Lewis gets himself a new helicopter for Shadows to use as target practice, Hermann can do his best Nigel Farage impersonation except instead of against immigrants, it's against law enforcement and this shit sort of makes a bit more sense. THREE. We open up new applications for a Weazel News CEO, someone like @Ash who is going to take it in a different direction in-character. I like what he's been going with the Cobb Blog. Weazel isn't full of shit roleplayers and Asbo wasn't a shit leader either, but I don't think the current direction is sustainable. Oh and @Paulius - my eastern european homie, please just put their adverts above the minimap, like we do for the lottery. That way, we keep the chatbox free but they can still get their adverts out there. Been a while since I've done one of these, felt pretty good.

Coming back to this genius of a thread after all this time, it was a BANGER.

What I proposed might be a suggestion but it's relevant to the issue because the thing is, if people are working towards something and actively enjoying what they are doing, they aren't as likely to do other things that will bring them enjoyment. Take fishing for example. You can't really fuck around when you're fishing because you are going through that process to catch something to go sell it. If you don't fish, you don't any fish and don't make any extra money. The supply and demand for fishing is 100% because it's a server job. You can always fish and always sell your fish. You run into issues with Burger Shot and Incident Worker because you have gaps to fill between situations and they are aimed at newer players, who are more likely to do stupid shit. If we put a bunch of rules at Burger Shot, we're just going to kill it off without actually solving the issue. It's more reports for admins to take and more for players to make. More appeals, more punishments. Instead, if we improve Burger Shot, these things will still happen on occasion but they will be less frequent, absolutely. Perhaps one day I'll sit down and write out a manifesto of job changes or something.

I put quite a lot of it down to boredom, because while the idea of a player run food business is great but the implementation is pretty basic and boring. If Burger Shot were a burger, it'd be a plain hamburger. No cheese, no sauce, no random bits of salad to consume. The only thing that you can do is make basic food and sell it. You get paid regardless and usually there are more of you working there than you have customers so ultimately at least 1-2 of you will have fuck all to do. I'm sorry but either you flesh out Burger Shot more or you kill it, if you want to see something else happen. I hope to add a new interior to Burger Shot soon and I don't personally want to see the same sort of shit that you've pointed out, happening there. So what can you do? Spawned Food Litter You take the litter script from the prison and apply it to the inside of Burger Shot, with different kinds of waste. That might be dirty trays, it might be half eaten meals, whatever. They would periodically spawn inside the restaurant and more critically, they would spawn depending on the amount of workers clocked in when the spawn time came around. That way, it scales up so more workers would be able to do something besides just selling. They'd get a small bonus for every bit of litter they cleaned up and put in the trash bins. Tip Amount to Order When you are asked to accept order, add an extra prompt that asks you if you want to give a tip. Say you give a tip of $5000 for example. Burger Shot would take 10% of the tip and the remaining $4500 would be split between the person that makes your order and the one that fulfils it. If it's the same person, they'd get $4500. Job Ranks Ideally, if someone is actually interested in doing the job long term, like Dovah Woodwacker likes his lumber job, you want to reward those people. The longer someone works there, the higher their rank would be at Burger Shot and the more bonus they would be paid. Ranks would be like; New Hire Crew Member (2 Hours) - Radio Usage Unlocked Crew Supervisor (6 Hours) - Delivery Service Unlocked Area Manager (12 Hours) Shift Manager (36 Hours) Assistant Manager (168 Hours) General Manager (730 Hours) CEO (1500 Hours) Over time, your job uniform would change to reflect your status at Burger Shot. You'd start off with the basic uniform and then as you progress, you would become more and more senior. Delivery Service This would be part player request, part NPC, to simulate demand. Players with VIP in game would be able to order food to their location, using a phone number and all Crew Supervisors and above would receive the call. Reason it would be just VIP is we don't want everyone just ordering food and never visiting Burger Shot. They would deploy the Burger Shot Food Bike, seen below and drive to that location and deliver the food. Additionally, from time to time, there would be NPCs from around the city whether they are drug NPCs, shop workers or whatever, would call into Burger Shot and place an order. Additional Food Items The current menu is fine, but I'd recommend expanding it, to incorporate other variations of food items, some of which I've linked below. For an added challenge for the makers and a little more choice for the customer. You would be surprised by the options.

End of the day, the application of rules in a gaming community is on an arbitrary basis. Using terms like public record is pointless, because each report is individual to the people involved in it and the situation they found themselves in. How staff choose to deal with that person ain't any of your concern or my concern for that matter. Reports don't need to be a matter of public debate or record. What other people got punished for, outside of you being personally involved has absolutely nothing to do with you. As for people talking, they'll do that regardless.

So, everyone will have seen the cinema got added and as always, the premise is great but there are a few things that for me, would turn it from a good addition to a great one. Cinema Rental (Skip Block) You would be able to take temporary ownership of the cinema controls, by renting out the cinema for $x and for y amount of minutes. During this period, only you and staff could add videos to the queue or skip videos. Why? Well, because if you want to do something like play a show or a specific video, like for an event, it's quite wrong that people could effectively just go to a different video. If you are watching something that is multiple minutes as well, you'd have to start all over again. Long term, I don't see this being used if it's just people going in there spamming clips. It's long term, probably more for events, so setting it up gets some money out of the economy and ensures things go as they should. The renter could choose to relinquish their ownership at any time or add people, like with the temporary vehicle keys. Of course, staff could override these permissions if something that isn't supposed to be on there is played. Cut out the Spam Text I feel like unless you are queuing or skipping a video or you are on admin duty, you don't need to be getting the messages about skips and what not. In an environment where text RP would be useful over voice given you are watching and listening to something, you wanna keep the chat box somewhat clear. VIP Queue Preference and Other Sites Something to consider for when the cinema is in public use, VIP donators' choices go to the front of the queue. Additionally, allow donators to use some other streaming sites like Twitch, Kick, Vimeo and Dailymotion for example. This allows greater freedom in what can be played. Popcorn Purchase You would be able to buy popcorn and soda from an NPC at the desk, which would function like soda and chocolate. I've got the props for it, just needs the script support.