Diligo

So you are saying that rules against homophobia, sexism and the recent rule change about Sexual Assault is being a "carebear server"? I dont know about this bro..

If I buy a new custom phone number with credits - will people that have my phone number lose my phone number and will have to get my phone number again? I dont know if this is an IC question but realistically this makes sense though I wondered if I will have to go through the hassle of messaging everyone I know about my new phone number and to text me there. Or is there like a script in place that people who had my old phone number still will be able to call and text me?

I am using the definition of the word slavery which is unpaid labour. I know people get it confused, but that is slavery and if you want historical context you don`t need it, because it is happening still in the modern times. If anything having slavery roleplay in this server of any sort is mocking the historical slavery that people had to endure and probably is grounds for racism. Which again is a bannable offense. (in the encounters I mentioned people even mocked the african-american slavery and made jokes out of it, but again that is not the topic here so dont focus in on it) The part you guys missed is the mockery and humiliation. Of course if a person roleplaying on this server likes to be dominated then sure go ahead. But that is a fetish and fetishes are taboo and should be kept private. Same goes for ERP. You guys saying right now that it isn`t a big deal and consent should not be asked OOCly beforehand, makes me wonder what should happen to change your minds because clearly it is a subjective topic. I am myself am not against that kind of roleplay because you guys said that it is just picking plants, in truth it is, if you dont count in the humiliation from VOIP that comes with it, but my idea is that we should ask for OOC consent before doing anything like this. And Bala, keep on being yourself, buddy, love ya

I write this post in honor of the community that collectively made the decision to change Gross RP rules regards to SA especially towards women. Seeing that people can collectively come and change roleplay for the better makes me happy and hopeful for this discussion because in the end of the day we are here to have fun and not to be reminded of daily lives monstrosities The question about Gross RP rule is more so about criminal side of it. And specifically kidnapping RP which leads to Gross RP sometimes which unexpectedly to me leads to slavery roleplay This might sound funny to some later on the post especially those that don't know but the literal definition of slavery that anyone can look up is - unpaid labour or workers paid the bare minimum (allowed to live, food for the day and maybe shelter to cover from rain) And I have encountered people who think that slavery roleplay is good roleplay and should be in the server. I come from a country that has been oppressed since there were records of people living there (Latvia) and only has comparetively quite recently regained independence (1991) if you look up, the history of our country is quite depressing. But this is no pity post, I just want you to know mine and few of my friends` backgrounds. So the encounters are basically pretty simple, someone rolls up, tells me and/or my friends to put up our hands. Then they proceed to tell us to continue what we were already doing (planting/chopping cars) while they watch the area and hold guns at us and afterwards they take the valuables. While we do this they constantly mock us and spit on us and call us bad words. One time it was more than 37 minutes long mockery and humiliation. This would all be okay if they would have asked for our consent stated per rules, but they never had. And these are multiple instances I know where to make reports, I understood how this would look in the eyes of newcomers so I refrained from posting but rather headed to faction management for help. So I don't want to name any names, those people know who they are but the important thing is why do they do this? And it got me thinking - is this the result of some restrictions on what is allowed under the Gross RP rule? I understand that roleplay isnt all fun and sunshine, but when I think about when it is not sunshine I dont want to be reminded of what my ancestors went through. I want to see how I lose firefights, how relationships between factions end, betrayal and stuff that is mentally bearable. Why is slavery roleplay allowed? The encounters I described are by the definition slavery. There are multiple ways to make fun of other gang/organization that has wronged you especially when they have their hands up. Are all the other roleplay possibilities so over-roleplayed that the only thing that excites people now is disgusting humiliation and enslaving people? And if so, why is that? I started asking the question myself - when it is not anymore roleplay but more so personal OOC thing? Because roleplay is acting. You are acting a role. And every time you have people with their hands up - slavery and humiliation is the only option? Aren`t we all here to have fun? Or are we here to let out our frustrations from daily life? I play here for the good roleplay which is not always win win, actually mostly I lose, but that`s okay. When I lose do I need to be reminded of how vile people can become? I want to know your thoughts.

I respect this change. I play with my wife on this server and I literally did not allow her to participate in any criminal roleplay because of how bad it was for female characters but thanks to you and all the community I feel safe that she can now roleplay on this server as a crim without getting targeted and abused specifically because of her gender.

Tennyinnit your calculations are not good at this instance. in a public lab - its a lab, anybody could come in and decide that its their chop car private chop - well the tools that needed to be bought to make yourself a private chop are pretty expensive. Count it all together to just regain the money back you would need 8-10 cars. That is why it is 20k, it is good money, but a lot of planning goes into it not to mention the time spent just setting up or removing the stuff not to mention the sound it makes. Also count in how many members participate in this and if everyone gets equal share of the cake, the money starts to dwindle a bit. Still I agree with you Teenyinnit 20k is more than enough. asking it to raise it would alter the criminal roleplay and cause more problems then it would solve. but thats just my opinion, man

Civs love this, crims hate this. But me myself being a mechanic - I never use scripts to roleplay modding or fixing the vehicle, I always write all the /me and /do by hand and it takes time. If I could do this and not write /me and /do then sure, because you know why would i need to write out stuff which is visible already. But if i would need to roleplay with /me and /do every single thing, I would need to leave the job and many more would do so as well because that would become tiring real quick. It sounds fun and I vote +1 for fun but anything that becomes too repetitive is not fun. About the trucker`s job addition and mechanics needing to order stock - +1 to that. That would be funny if a tire is shot out and a crim cant fix it because sir we are all out of tires

if they go back to this ruling then everybody would do house robberies because they basically are then protected from any consequences. a car in the driveway would be left. that would make all crim roleplay through house robberies and that is it. carrying a crate does not mean someone has something illegal in it, so no reason to bring guns to accidentally appear illegal. that would just be private labs all around again and that is not what most of the staff wants, that is why it is the only UI which is not considered metagaming. I have slept on this - i do have an idea Implement this guys idea: and change which houses can be robbed after certain amount of time. Week/month/seasonal or everytime a specific house gets robbed it cannot be robbed for a OOC month or two. Does not matter, they should change. If you combine @Requiem UI change with my change then it would allow the picklocked doors to be checked but also protect anyone from metagaming house robber robbers. If you implement just @Requiem then house robber robbers can just check the already known houses with /checkdoor but if you implement just my idea then people will still find houses with the UI after certain time has passed. Combining our suggestions will make for better roleplay, people would just camp the key dealer guys to catch the possible house robber. And also for the house robber it would initiate roleplay of losing a tail. Even if you just came to the guy and didnt pick any keys, you could still get a tail, so finding a way to lose a tail would be awesome roleplay addition imho. So remove the house robber UI, add those specific commands and change the houses which can be robbed periodically. Then we have a lot more roleplay opportunities and no one could feel that they are scriptwise in a disadvantage which we all can agree on damages the roleplay.

nobody said crim life easy life. time to go and get friends go broke fr fr

guns aren`t inherently illegal. some guns are. i kind of dont believe the devs will agree on this. i rather watch new player tags carefully though, these days most of them already know what they doin

i agree to original suggestion +1 BUT while we wait for changes, maybe have a friend that can scout for you? i love private labs and hope devs bring them back BUT you guys are pushing for solo roleplay adventure. Nobody roleplays alone, so grab a friend to watch over you while you rob an innocent persons house! roleplay isnt just about grinding them stacks and then driving to car-shows with your itali gto hoping people would notice you and praying that you could get friends that way. nobody cares, everybody has a friend that already has an itali gto, it is not special. Anyone can grind one out if they solely commit to grinding and not roleplay. Look at trucker`s job, I basically go there when I don`t want to roleplay at all but just grind. Is that good mentality while being in a roleplay server? it does not even pay that good. if i want to make stacks, gotta go roleplay and now if you guys want to enforce some stuff so crims could be protected and can solo grind without roleplay - then why dont we bring back private labs? ALSO!!! /checkdoor is just a simple copy paste thingy that wouldnt solve anything just make people copy paste the same old doors that had the UI menu previously. Me and my group of friends always do the roleplay about checking the door with /me and /do and if the UI is removed, then typing simple /checkdoor is not a problem haha. That would actually prevent stalling from the house robbers when they are getting robbed, because then there would be no reason to complain OOCly about a rulebreak. So maybe yeah, implement it, so roleplay could continue and there would be less /b "' If you really wanna fix the problem stop solo mentality and add friends to the mix. being solo makes you anti-social and also makes you hateful and possibly impacts your roleplay attitude, style and language... this is roleplay server, become social and get some friends!!!

real talk G i just imagined a situation where OP just saw a new player with a pump (probably looted a body) on a faggio or in warrener and decided to take that guy down. I could have new player tag and get shotgun license realistically is possible. pump on back is not illegal. ak47 when not in police uniform is. idk i think if new player is willingly getting into shootouts in active drug labs - its not new player its ban evader lets be honest here, what percentage actually are eclipse twitch streamer fans joining this server? with the right knowledge of connections and lab locations, skills and guns and possible metagaming with previous gang members, you can easily get back to your financial prowess. 1 million a week easy task when ya gang waiting for ya back ya know what i mean hehe but if it is new player with a shotgun in warrener, just tell him to hide it or remove the bullets/shells to have place in glove compartment not just tryna get that loot babyyyy

i saw this in one the suggestions, but when i came to the server, i never had to use the /vr 1 or U menu reset voice thingy, but after an update... i forgot which one, we now have to constantly /vr 1 i joined like.. late july i think and something around end of august or september we got an update and everybody was in OOC ``oh not its back`` meaning like there was a time without this problem and also a time before that with this problem right now. You all know it breaks immersion when somebody says ``you need a cough drop`` ``you need to cough`` That is of course funny to say when people are talking too much and I want to throw them off but anyways... Like when you do something - I to open inventory, using U menu, using WI menu on cars and stuff, turning engine on or off, locking the vehicle i think there should be a script that doing one of these or other things once or twice or in a period of time (like idk 10-30 seconds) it automatically does ``/vr 1`` for you. I dont want to give a whole monologue to people just for them to interrupt me with a question ``is everything alright?`` or ``you need to cough, man``

i agree with you but there are already 3 solutions - 1) is simple turning off the engine and/or dropping your friend and locking the car 2) have another friend in the vehicle that can protect the vehicle while you are helping your buddy 3) there could possibly be soon a place where you can avoid any interactions with police or random car stealers and help your friend as well. cant wait for it to open, because not everybody would know about it and there would be a lot more RP opportunities. Also, I hate to argue against but I gotta say it - as quickly scriptwise you can save your friend`s life and afterwards he/she can easily walk to your vehicle - that is not realistic, but making it realistic would make it lot less fun whenever you get injured. So if you dont have a friend watching over your engine running unlocked vehicle while you are in hospital for possibly hours to watch over your dying friend, how can the hospital staff know ICly that the guy who took your car isnt a friend? What if that friend is actually a friend who was at Pillbox before, who is now trying to remove the evidence? What if the car has bullet holes and PD will approach it just to inspect it and then immediately look in your trunk or glove compartment? Blood on the seats? We introduce this rule then roleplay starts dying in my opinion, we don`t introduce this rule, people will keep abusing it. Just try to do one of those 3 solutions I mentioned and I think all will be good

((new player)) means introduce them to the server not specifically wait for them to do something illegal like having a gun on their back to rob them. What if you could have told the guy/girl how to manage their inventory space so they dont need to have their shotgun on their back? -1 to this suggestion, protect the new players!!!

you know some of these graphic enhancing mods? I want to install them as well

good point! Who is in favor of removing the trees of los angelos type of city to get mp3 file playing possibilites so as not to put too much strain on the server? Jokes aside everbody i knew and their brothers had the pirated version of GTA:SA from which you still could play SA:MP. What was that like... 2011? everybody had mp3s and stuff. Now everybody or at least 90% of the server have powerful enough computers to run rage:mp and youtube at the same time and some probably even have spotify/itunes that they have paid for. Times change, people going legal and non-pirated especially now when gta5 is 10Euros from where im from. So, OP - get with the times, unc IF anybody here still listens to mp3 music they have downloaded - i salute your patience and hard work

guys stop flexing your amazing PCs!!!!! not everyone is rich and in this society we do not flex on people who dont have the greatest gear and the fastest internet. Time to go listen to ''Kendric Lamar - Humble'', guys

lets imagine for example all the crim factions from tomorrow have to roleplay that everyone in their faction is not just another colleague to roll labs with but rather a friend/family and that they need to fear for their life as well could you maybe think of positives or negatives of that? you always have amazing insights but i just want to see your perspective on the pros and cons of that

or just /menu to bring to character menu something like that idk. i agree with this suggestion +1

1)LEGAL FACTION FRIENDS good point. what is a friend? because if someone in my faction is automatically a friend and I should have to fear for his life? One of my characters works at Bayview and the other at DCC - i literally couldnt care less what has happened to 90% of people there(the 10% are nice friends to me). 2)DM rights - IS A FRIEND Though talking about crim factions - lets just all be clear that this is an easy one. If someone from my crim faction gets shot at - I get DM rights. That means it is automatically my friend, so here is your answer. 3)Script wise - NO But if we talking about a scriptly `add friend` then there should be some benefits of having a friend or roleplaying with them. because that would mean adding friends is just net-negative if only roleplay bonus is having to fear for an extra person`s life. Sounds like real life, which is not fun, that is why we are in a roleplay server, not trying to mimmick real life. 4)Roleplay wise - YES But I would say - if crim factions are upholding their lore - they should all be basically family. Lost MC - bikers through thick and thin sworn brothers and sisters working together through the hard life of San Andreas Rooks - literally in their name Legacy, automatically they care for each other ESM - a mob, meaning if you disrespect one then that means you disrespect the whole mob Empire - literally a whole family ect. EDIT: 5)Opposite faction friends - NONRP Also to answer your other question - Can a friend be in an opposite faction? No. That does not make sense. You can be friendly acquaintance, but being friends for ever besties while not rolling the same vehicles and repping the same colors? Does not make any sense. TL;DR So yeah, to answer shortly to your question, if we want to nerf crims but at the same time give them a lot more roleplay opportunities - everyone in the criminal faction would be considered a friend and they should fear for their friends life

From what you have said the one thing that stands out and would completely change a lot of roleplay is the change to Fear Roleplay. Specifically - Fearing for your friends life. So real but right now if I dont have IC consequences for sacrificing my friends life (because, you know, he will just come back to Pillbox after dying without IC memory so basically nothing happened) I probably wont bother saving my friend, so what's the point? Instead I would use that as DM rights(or shortened escalation rights) to take revenge on people that have ''killed my friend''. More fun for me, less chance to lose anything(because fearing for my friends life would incluce giving up moneyz/valuable things for basically free while going after revenge I would lose the couple guns i have on me or win a lot more guns). What I described sounds like PvP mentality - you kill my friend, i kill your friend. PvP mentality is not good imho. +1 to the FearRP change. No opinion on the rest

this protects people from being hunted. if i have sufficient reason, can i just snipe someone from afar? what would constitute as needed proof to confirm the person is the one I am looking for? A lot of questions and a lot more problems arise and re-escalating rule is needed so people don't driveby people's homes and ratatata all over them because they are standing out and possibly AFK. It would be a lot more reports and a lot more unhappy people. If re-escalating rule gets removed it would promote PvP mentality. These days people think escalating is okay if someone calls you a bad word. That itself is unrealistic but we do not talk about that. And I believe once we stop making ourselves angry at the slightest convience just so we can tell people to put their hands up, this re-escalation rule will stand. Big -1