Don Darko Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 As a citizen in the city and not part of any gang I find it really annoying that people are running around robbing and harassing your normal every day citizens just because they are driving a car that is the same color as a gangs colors. There are so many gangs in the city using every color of the rainbow so normal every day working mans life can not be in the city. Gangs rob you and FORCE you to change your car color and if you say no or do not do it they will kill you. In my opinion this is a form of alternative RP and should need approval from Admins in order to force civilians to change there car colors. I can understand if it was another gang member doing it but some people buy their cars as a certain color from a dealership and bought the car because of the color as well as the type of car. I tried to RP having asthma and needing to wear a mask to help reduce the particles that I breath in and even RPed a visit to the hospital for testing to show that my character had asthma. The MD said he would put in a document in my files and if a officer asked me to remove my mask I could direct them to see my medical files and verify because the police laws GC05-C states that you can wear a mask if you have a medical condition. I was denied a week later and told it was alternative RP and it would need Admin approval before doing so because it effects other peoples RP. How is this any different than a gang trying to force people to change their car colors? It is not any different in my opinion. In a way gang members are powergaming forcing people to change their car colors or else they die so they do not get a choice in anyway and have to obey the gang members. This badly needs addressed as in real life there is not a single gang that I know of that uses car colors to show they are in a gang and it is Non RP. Want real life information on it? Check out the LAPD website on identifing a gang. https://www.lapdonline.org/get_informed/content_basic_view/23468 Please enforce a rule change that clearly states gangs can not enforce civilians to change their car colors or use force to get it done. No where on this planet will you see 40 gang members cars all show up at the same place having the same color cars. Gangs do NOT want to draw attention to the police and this would make them stand out which is very unrealistic. Gang car colors effects a lot of normal citizens that do not want to be in a gang, they get robbed and killed over the cars color which leaves civilians that want to RP a normal life outside of a gang wanting to leave the server and not return. Gangs are very over powered as it is because they can get weapons and run with a lot of people at once. No civilian can do anything to protect themselves, not even the police will help a civilian when they are out numbered by the gang they wont call backup or anything. Today we got chanced to the PD for this exact reason and while sitting there the police could hear the gang clear as day talking about shooting us etc and they came out of PD and forced us off the property stating they would arrest the civilians if we did not leave, Police should protect the civilians not send them off police property where they can be shot and killed. I do not care if gangs have a problem with me suggesting this change or not, this is GTA but it is also RP, not everyone in the city is a gang member or police officer. Forcing civilians to live one of these lives so they are protected in some way is unfair to people wanting to just RP a regular life working and hanging out with the boys drinking a beer on the weekends. Gangs in the city need to start acting more like real life gangs and not power hungry towards the whole city. Again I can understand gangs being power happy against other gangs but not civilians just because they have the numbers and the guns. Gang car color should be wiped out and should be related to only tattoos, gang signs with /me <symbol name> in chat and clothing colors. There are way too many cars in a big city like Los Santos and gang members shouldnt be focused on forcing civilians to change their car color or else be robbed or shot. It is poor RP. Feel free to argue the facts if you would like but I pretty much laid out the facts including a link showing how to identify a gang in real life. RP should be fun for all not just gangs and police. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Darko Posted August 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 -1 IC issue. Tried that it does not work because gangs dont take your RP into consideration and shoot you when you are a civilian. It has been a issue for a very long time. Civilians are the ones hurt and end up leaving so it is not something that can be handled IC and needs Admins to step in and change the way it is done for more realistic gangs. People are RPing gangs in a way that is no where in the world. It is Fake RP. Handle it ICly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WernerBerg Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 This is an IC issue, if they want to get attentions by using the same mask or same color for their car's, it's an IC issue which will have IC consequences. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Darko Posted August 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 This is an IC issue, if they want to get attentions by using the same mask or same color for their car's, it's an IC issue which will have IC consequences. -1 Everyone can keep saying it is a IC issue when it is not. They can IC it but normal legal people can not. Gangs do not allow the RP of having your car whatever color. And the fact that having Gang car colors is unheard of. This is not a thing anywhere but in this city. It is made up which is cool but there should be some guidelines so that normal legal people can go about their day without being stopped on the way home from work cause they are driving a BLACK car which is one of the most common colors for any car. Then we get shot and robbed cause we are in a black car. 20 gang members pulling up on 1 guy in broad daylight in the center of the city is bull. The city is ran by the gangs and the police, not the hard working people that do legal stuff in the city and pay taxes. When gangs overrun the city and abuse everyone cause of a car color it is poor RP. Cloths tattoos etc would be cool but not car colors. This needs addressed and worked out OC with staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallo Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) -1 This seems like because of something that happened IC if it requires a report do that, because you got robbed it might not just be because of your car you could have been doing something else at that time. this seems targeted towards a group all because of something that happened IC .I can almost assure you that people are not robbing you because of a black car, If they are file a report on here unless it is a rulebreak this is very much a IC issue Edited August 20, 2020 by L0C0_Turtle Spelling Fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Darko Posted August 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) -1 This seems like because of something that happened IC if it requires a report do that, because you got robbed it might not just be because of your car you could have been doing something else at that time. this seems targeted towards a group all because of something that happened IC .I can almost assure you that people are not robbing you because of a black car, If they are file a report on here unless it is a rulebreak this is very much a IC issue Again this is not a complaint or report cause something happen to me personally. If it was I would report it in the correct manor. This is what Gangs use for their RP to be able to Rob or Kill Civilians and this RP is forced on you no matter what and you can not say no or go against it or they will rob and kill you on site at all times. Gangs should not be allowed to use this RP in anyway so a rules needs to be put in placed to protect normal civilian from this gang abuse that happens in the server due to it not being a more realistic RP. No gang uses car colors unless it is in this city and in this city they abuse the colors to attack anyone they see fit. It is a form of Powergaming they are using and it is a loop hole so they can abuse it. Edited August 20, 2020 by Don Darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompy Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 -1 if they want to have respected colors then they can tell you to get out of their colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallo Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 . This is what Gangs use for their RP to be able to Rob or Kill Civilians and this RP is forced on you no matter what and you can not say no or go against it or they will rob and kill you on site at all times. Gangs should not be allowed to use this RP in anyway so a rules needs to be put in placed to protect normal civilian from this gang abuse that happens in the server due to it not being a more realistic RP. No gang uses car colors unless it is in this city and in this city they abuse the colors to attack anyone they see fit. It is a form of Powergaming they are using and it is a loop hole so they can abuse it. I can tell you gangs to not target people wearing certain colors, masks and clothing different story but again nobody is targeting you for driving a black car, as you said before a very common car color. Gangs may use whatever color they feel fit on cars wherever just because other server people dont do that does not mean anything for this one, every server is different gangs rep their colors on cars and clothing nothing is wrong about this. Nobody is powergaming and again if you see it or it happens to you report it this a simple gangs use colors they feel fit and if you rep that color there are IC consequences. it is the same as if you rep colors irl except here they use it on cars no problem with this. If you want it to stop happening dont rep the gangs colors. and if you are saying you are getting robbed for driving a black car thats not true and if it is again report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justpositivity Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 -1 purely IC issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaesarSeizure Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 The thing is, you can have your car coloured anyway you want, but certain colours might cause you more problems than others. It is just a risk vs car colour debate, is your life less important than that of your cars colour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Darko Posted August 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 The thing is, you can have your car coloured anyway you want, but certain colours might cause you more problems than others. It is just a risk vs car colour debate, is your life less important than that of your cars colour? To force someone to change the color of their car or you will die every time you are seen is Power gaming bottom line. It is also Alternative RP because you are forcing normal people that probably bought that car because it is their fav color to go by gang RP when they have nothing to do with gangs at all. It is also a reason for gangs to abuse robbing people and killing them without proper RP and I do not believe that can be valid RP to kill or rob someone because there are no gangs ever in history that goes by the color of their car. It is a Loop hole that gangs use to break server rules so the rules need to be changed and clarified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Axe Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) As a citizen in the city and not part of any gang I find it really annoying that people are running around robbing and harassing your normal every day citizens just because they are driving a car that is the same color as a gangs colors. There are so many gangs in the city using every color of the rainbow so normal every day working mans life can not be in the city. Gangs rob you and FORCE you to change your car color and if you say no or do not do it they will kill you. In my opinion this is a form of alternative RP and should need approval from Admins in order to force civilians to change there car colors. I can understand if it was another gang member doing it but some people buy their cars as a certain color from a dealership and bought the car because of the color as well as the type of car. I tried to RP having asthma and needing to wear a mask to help reduce the particles that I breath in and even RPed a visit to the hospital for testing to show that my character had asthma. The MD said he would put in a document in my files and if a officer asked me to remove my mask I could direct them to see my medical files and verify because the police laws GC05-C states that you can wear a mask if you have a medical condition. I was denied a week later and told it was alternative RP and it would need Admin approval before doing so because it effects other peoples RP. How is this any different than a gang trying to force people to change their car colors? It is not any different in my opinion. In a way gang members are powergaming forcing people to change their car colors or else they die so they do not get a choice in anyway and have to obey the gang members. This badly needs addressed as in real life there is not a single gang that I know of that uses car colors to show they are in a gang and it is Non RP. Want real life information on it? Check out the LAPD website on identifing a gang. https://www.lapdonline.org/get_informed/content_basic_view/23468 Please enforce a rule change that clearly states gangs can not enforce civilians to change their car colors or use force to get it done. No where on this planet will you see 40 gang members cars all show up at the same place having the same color cars. Gangs do NOT want to draw attention to the police and this would make them stand out which is very unrealistic. Gang car colors effects a lot of normal citizens that do not want to be in a gang, they get robbed and killed over the cars color which leaves civilians that want to RP a normal life outside of a gang wanting to leave the server and not return. Gangs are very over powered as it is because they can get weapons and run with a lot of people at once. No civilian can do anything to protect themselves, not even the police will help a civilian when they are out numbered by the gang they wont call backup or anything. Today we got chanced to the PD for this exact reason and while sitting there the police could hear the gang clear as day talking about shooting us etc and they came out of PD and forced us off the property stating they would arrest the civilians if we did not leave, Police should protect the civilians not send them off police property where they can be shot and killed. I do not care if gangs have a problem with me suggesting this change or not, this is GTA but it is also RP, not everyone in the city is a gang member or police officer. Forcing civilians to live one of these lives so they are protected in some way is unfair to people wanting to just RP a regular life working and hanging out with the boys drinking a beer on the weekends. Gangs in the city need to start acting more like real life gangs and not power hungry towards the whole city. Again I can understand gangs being power happy against other gangs but not civilians just because they have the numbers and the guns. Gang car color should be wiped out and should be related to only tattoos, gang signs with /me <symbol name> in chat and clothing colors. There are way too many cars in a big city like Los Santos and gang members shouldnt be focused on forcing civilians to change their car color or else be robbed or shot. It is poor RP. Feel free to argue the facts if you would like but I pretty much laid out the facts including a link showing how to identify a gang in real life. RP should be fun for all not just gangs and police. i actually strongly agree with this. all the time on player reports people are getting robbed, house raided or a range of things based just on the car color they are driving. now that the robbery rules are in place its being targeted now more than ever. so yea, i heavily agree with this if not on just gameplay but the realism point aswell. i got robbed because i was driving an orange car the other day. i mean wtf!? seems really dumb sense like you said, in real life gang car colors arent a thing and actually quite the oposit Edited August 21, 2020 by Sam Axe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Axe Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 -1 This seems like because of something that happened IC if it requires a report do that, because you got robbed it might not just be because of your car you could have been doing something else at that time. this seems targeted towards a group all because of something that happened IC .I can almost assure you that people are not robbing you because of a black car, If they are file a report on here unless it is a rulebreak this is very much a IC issue most of the cases ive seen are obviously just based on assuming gang affiliation. most robberies i see happen now the group in control ask if the person is part of (gang associated with the color) and most of the time they are not. then they just get in the car or bike and drive off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justpositivity Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 most of the cases ive seen are obviously just based on assuming gang affiliation. most robberies i see happen now the group in control ask if the person is part of (gang associated with the color) and most of the time they are not. then they just get in the car or bike and drive off. All an IC issue.. the gang activity in this city is high just like as if you were to live in a city ran by gangs IRL. Their are several cities where you see gangs "patrolling" and crime rates are high. This city RPly is one of those and you just have to deal with it and take the precautions to ensure you are not robbed/get involved with these gangs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Axe Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 All an IC issue.. the gang activity in this city is high just like as if you were to live in a city ran by gangs IRL. Their are several cities where you see gangs "patrolling" and crime rates are high. This city RPly is one of those and you just have to deal with it and take the precautions to ensure you are not robbed/get involved with these gangs... yea, its realistic for them to patrol in gang colors while inside the car. its not realistic that they have the brightest colors possible on there car screaming "Im cool, im part of this gang! hi cops, civilians and other gangs! (waves like a maniac) " in public away from a car most gangs wear only 1 or 2 pieces of clothes that are the gang color. this happens because gangs do crimes mostly in cars like drug deals, gun sales, drive by's or a number of things. the reason they dont have gang car colors is cops irl can pull them over based on possible gang affiliation. gang cars want to stand out as little as possible because they are where most gang crimes happen from and the biggest target for cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Darko Posted August 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) All an IC issue.. the gang activity in this city is high just like as if you were to live in a city ran by gangs IRL. Their are several cities where you see gangs "patrolling" and crime rates are high. This city RPly is one of those and you just have to deal with it and take the precautions to ensure you are not robbed/get involved with these gangs... Ok so you are saying then flat out that it is a gang city and if we dont like it then leave because the only way a civilian in real life could deal with it is to not move to the city to start with. Telling us pretty much to quit eclipse or deal with the gangs RP and when we try they will shoot you powergaming for not obeying them Edited August 21, 2020 by Don Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1net1K Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 This is definitely an IC issue.. But if gang members are going to harass citizens for wearing certain clothing or having their vehicles a certain colour then the police should be able to harass gangs for these very same reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Darko Posted August 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 I never see it but if you say so. I am not in a gang but I dont see it happen. Police normally only pull a gang member over for speeding or doing something they shouldnt. Not because of the color of their cars because then it would be harrassment and you could file a complaint with the police department for it. Who would a Civilian file a complaint to when a gang member does it to them though? the leader? She/He would just shoot the guy. So RP is lame and being abused for gang car colors and should be done away with or certain rules applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallo Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 This is definitely an IC issue.. But if gang members are going to harass citizens for wearing certain clothing or having their vehicles a certain colour then the police should be able to harass gangs for these very same reasons. They already do So yes IC issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WernerBerg Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 I'm not sure how having the same color for their cars is considered as a crime. ICly we have a penal code for adding charges, a certain color for a car? No it's not part of the charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1net1K Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) They do but there's an awful lot of complaints about it when it happens. It's not a crime and I'm not saying it should be implemented as one. But profiling is a part of police work. It's a scenario your characters have forced upon themselves by advertising gang colours and harassing the public in order to ensure these colours are seen as gang affiliated. Edited August 21, 2020 by K1net1K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieP Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 i actually strongly agree with this. all the time on player reports people are getting robbed, house raided or a range of things based just on the car color they are driving. now that the robbery rules are in place its being targeted now more than ever. so yea, i heavily agree with this if not on just gameplay but the realism point aswell. i got robbed because i was driving an orange car the other day. i mean wtf!? seems really dumb sense like you said, in real life gang car colors arent a thing and actually quite the oposit If people are robbing you for the colour of your car, then you can always report it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Darko Posted August 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) Seems everyone thinks this can be resolved ICly but it really can not. It is in IC where the problem lies. It is unrealistic RP. No gang would want to stand out waving their arms in the air saying "HERE I AM COPS AND OTHER GANGS". It is not realistic it all. What I am seeing in the city is every gang trying to flex there stuff. No gang EVER in history does that. Not the Crips. Bloods. Surf Nation, etc etc. It is just not a thing at all. I am pretty sure the police has a gang unit and is trying to be realistic with what they do so why are the gangs trying to power game all the time and flex everything? Same as different gang members all at the pier or bank etc. This also would never happen. Gangs never go that far from their own turf because they do respect other gangs turfs and do not want to run into them for beef to start. The gangs in the city are so unrealistic it makes the RP lame for civilians. The city is a cops and robbers city only and that is lame RP. No one wants to play cowboy and indians. Some of us want to play a different roll like the blacksmith, Gangs in the city always run in numbers so they can bully civilians all over the whole city and not just in their turf. It is giving the city a bad name to civilians for there to be 20 different gangs in a small area. This forces people who want to be civilians to join a gang or the police force for protection when they do not want anything to do with them which is groups power gaming forcing everyone else to be like them or else leave the city all together. I know for a fact that real life crips and bloods will protect their turf but at the same time they will protect their civilians, they will help old miss walker cross the street that they grew up with all their life. They will talk with old mr jones and hear him tell tails about the old days and they wont rob them or try to kill them because they drive a certain color car. Gang members do NOT harass their civilians, they protect them from rival gangs that come in the wrong area starting trouble. A lot of civilians would like to see gangs be more realistic and that is why I started this topic in the first place. I would like people to discuss the RP of it and how it could be more realistic. DON'T just reply that it can be handled ICly. Think about the topic at hand and true RP then argue the case. Saying it can be handled ICly is a lame tactic saying we don't want it to change. Try explaining why you do not want it to change. What and how does this type of RP work for gangs in a more realistic nature. What are the ups and downs to forcing civilians to change their car colors? Your way of protecting them? No. Its bullying them and that is all it is so please do not try and say having them change the colors protects them, Argue the case in a realistic manor as I am currently doing as well. Edited August 22, 2020 by Don Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
