PD and Drug Labs

[Msato]

Main issue:

Recently on the server pretty much 4/5 of the drug labs have been destroyed for 90% of the day.

This is a problem as the current "chain robbing" activity is a result of having most of the other criminal activities taken down out of the server for the majority of the day. 

Secondary issue:

PD are icly not meant to know about the location of the drug labs, however many officers still abuse this fact.

Lately they have been sending out helicopter with a passenger who uses a heavy sniper to conveniently scout the exact areas of these labs. If someone is seen near it with a gun they arrange a raid and move in. This needs to be changed. 

Suggestions:

1. Reduce the respawn timer on the labs. This is currently far too long and takes over 4 irl hours. 

2. Limit the number of labs PD that can be disabled, E.G. make it so only 2/5 can be destroyed at once. 

3. Change the way that PD handle raiding labs. This is the main issue in my opinion. Irl you wouldn't see 4 PO's and 2 cadets raiding a known drug lab. Perhaps enforce it to be a tactical operation only that SWAT must take care of and plan ahead of the raid. 

Comments:

I know that there is plans to implement criminal constructed labs instead of leaving them at specific locations. This would be the overall best fix. 

This may be conveyed as an anti PD post, this wasn't my intentions. I've played my fair share of each side.

The main purpose of this is to raise to recent issues directly effecting criminals.

I'd prefer this stayed as a discussion before each side starts clashing heads. 

Edited June 15, 2019 by CallumMontie

[alexalex303]

Drug labs are being found out by law enforcement because of careless criminals, drug labs are being destroyed. A consequence.

This is roleplaying server, actions have consequences. If LSPD found out about drug labs, and they couldn't do anything, and you could just keep making drugs because of a 2/5 rule, how is that in any way realistic?

[DGanja]

11 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

Drug labs are being found out by law enforcement because of careless criminals, drug labs are being destroyed. A consequence.

This is roleplaying server, actions have consequences. If LSPD found out about drug labs, and they couldn't do anything, and you could just keep making drugs because of a 2/5 rule, how is that in any way realistic?

Talking of realistic, it sure is realistic killing someone at a lab, having them respawn just to call the cops then bam NonRP results in a bs raid by police. Good times. Happens daily. 

Edited June 15, 2019 by DGanja

[alexalex303]

Just now, DGanja said:

Talking of realistic, it sure is realistic killing someone at a lab, having them respawn just to call the cops then bam NonRP results in a bs raid by police. Good times. 

That is a rule break and should be reported. 

[DGanja]

5 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

That is a rule break and should be reported. 

Where would I get proof? I can't teleport to Md to record it. And I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer to your posts or attacking you personally, I just feel as though criminal RP is very stale when it comes to things to keep you interested. Hense why its a straight rob fest on the streets

Edited June 15, 2019 by DGanja

[Will215]

Great suggestion!

[IAmTheWolverine]

+1

[Jimmy Pegorino]

On 6/15/2019 at 8:36 PM, DGanja said:

Where would I get proof? I can't teleport to Md to record it. And I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer to your posts or attacking you personally, I just feel as though criminal RP is very stale when it comes to things to keep you interested. Hense why its a straight rob fest on the streets

You should allways record when your in an rp situation due to new people coming in the server, Every one will try and get away with breaking rules or they do it by mistake, Record and report and you should be good. Remember Try and help each other especially the newer players.

PD doesn't get to know about drug labs unless the following happens.

PD only goes their if,

A. If you injure each other they ring MD for medical assistance, Blame criminal that shoot medics for this, Medics done feel safe going to drug labs with out an escort. And once they stumble up to this they will contact us for a unit for their own safety.

B. When PD gets a phone call as other player's hear gun shots or salty people. Remember if you can't share they its going to be destroyed. 

 

Remember Be friends, Don't shoot each other, take turns, If you can't do this then PD is gonna get calls and destroy labs.. 

Edited June 17, 2019 by DDevastatedTV

[heartgg]

To my knowledge, there has been no "helicopter with a passenger who uses a heavy sniper to conveniently scout the exact areas of these labs." Due to the stationary locations of the labs, PD has rules that prevent police going to these areas, unless the location is disclosed. To my experience, there are many criminals who probably get salty about getting robbed by some other criminals at the lab and call the police, which leads to the termination of the lab. I believe that you were a part of PD when these rules were implemented. 

If these helicopter stake outs happen, they are against protocol, unless they are because someone called 911 about the drug lab, or the information was relayed in other ways. Like alexalex303 said, it is because of careless criminals that these locations get discovered. 

Maybe the respawn timer could be adjusted, but I am fully against a rule/script that only x/5 labs can be destroyed at once. 

 

[thiggins19]

3/5 of the drug labs have been destroyed recently due to the fact of gang shootouts. We as MD get a call to go to the drug lab because of said shooting. If we show up on scene and see the drug lab we are REQUIRED to report it. It doesn't matter if you hold a gun to our head and tell us not to, we will just leave and report it as we drive away, once again its REQUIRED for us to report it. Be smarter about your 911 calls too. Recently there has been an influx of calls that say, "Was shoot at Braddocks Lab" "I was making LSD and got shot" "People shooting at Sea Lab" 

Overall, a lot of criminals are just basically leading us to the location at this point.

[Cyphers]

Just so you know, we don't come to drug labs unless crims lead us there. We have rules barring this, and after one's destroyed we're not allowed to know of it ICly because we've just destroyed it.

Also

" 3. Change the way that PD handle raiding labs. This is the main issue in my opinion. Irl you wouldn't see 4 PO's and 2 cadets raiding a known drug lab. Perhaps enforce it to be a tactical operation only that SWAT must take care of and plan ahead of the raid. "

We have recently changed this - We're supposed to call out the Los Santos Fire Department, or Detectives.. but they're not always online. And we can't just leave the drug lab.

Overall.. I can't agree with this, as criminal RP is supposed to be hard from what I see, until a certain tipping point where you become some sort of gang boss or big fish, then it's much easier and pays much more.

As a final note: Just like DDevastatedTV said. Don't always shoot and rob people at drug labs (imo promotes poor RP but that's for another day) as the only reasons I've EVER seen us come there is for 1.) gang shootouts 2.) somebody was shot 3.) somebody got robbed and is salty 4.) MD got a call about someone getting shot there

I do hope this post lands with the good nature I intended it in, as I think this is a healthy topic for debate and I encourage these types of dialogue between different types of roleplayers.

TL;DR - shoot ppl bad stuff happens

 

 

Edited June 17, 2019 by Cyphers
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