Age Requirement

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When i joined i coulda sworn there was a 16+ age requirement, with the nature of the game and the rating for the game itself, i feel this requirement should be enforced and if im wrong about it being a thing, should be implemented.

[Charlie2231]

+1

[Elvillainisto95]

+1

[Hector2Fingers]

There has never been a requirement in the 5+ years I have been on the server, and I do not really see any benefit in adding in a requirement.  If players are not mature enough to be a part of the server or abide by the rules, they will be handled by staff appropriately.  We have several members of the community under the age of 16 who have had positive contributions.

[SquirtleSquad]

As Hector said, there have been many individuals who have joined the server who are under 16 who have had many positive contributions. There isn't really a way for us to impose an age restriction, as there's no way for us to govern that. While the game itself has an age rating, this is an RP server, and the only place that has age restrictions is specific legal factions due to the nature of the RP one can encounter.

[Quietthecutie]

Factions may and have placed their own age restrictions on their recruitment requirements as its their right to do.

But the server in general does not have one.

[Eliza]

How would you propose we verify someone's age? People will still lie about their age and solely type if we implemented an age restriction. 

[Earl Mud]

If there's no age requirement sexual rp needs to be removed entirely. 

[Larintai]

+1

[Quietthecutie]

5 hours ago, Earl Mud said:

If there's no age requirement sexual rp needs to be removed entirely. 

This has been back and forthed forever. 

Ultimately if someone is not of age, they should not even have a copy of GTA to begin with. theres a long line of responsibility from parents/guardians, game vendors, the server itself and then other players. Its clearly outlined in server rules that you should both seek permission and check age before engaging in any kind of mature rp. And usually its not too difficult to tell when someones clearly too young or even borderline. all that said i think suddenly turning everyone in the server asexual would be a slightly knee jerk reaction.

Edited April 8, 2025 by Quietthecutie

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5 hours ago, Earl Mud said:

If there's no age requirement sexual rp needs to be removed entirely. 

 atleast a more solid outline of what is orp, looking at the rule, the main point of it is valid and not up for discussion

but... the rest of it is more speculation and personal feelings, left up to the person to ask people to quit 

[Dima]

5 hours ago, Eliza said:

How would you propose we verify someone's age? People will still lie about their age and solely type if we implemented an age restriction. 

Seen some servers doo id checks but who would wanna do that?

[Quietthecutie]

4 minutes ago, Dima said:

Seen some servers doo id checks but who would wanna do that?

The effective way to do that would be to do a webcam with an admin holding up your ID. thats....I cant see that being a thing. Thats something you do for a job not a RP server.

[defencio_]

Agreed. This is not an appropriate place for fifteen year olds.

[GodDammitKopi]

Without a photo ID there is no way to actually verify someone’s age, and asking to see people’s IDs is pretty intrusive. There really is no way to enforce an age limit without somewhat invading a person privacy which I personally would have zero interest in doing.

[Quietthecutie]

the uncomfortable truth is that in this day and age, any minor with a phone, an internet connection, and the wrong mindset can pull up stuff far more exposing than anything they could find on this server. I do not think we have any more duty of care than we already carry out.

As for underage players in general, what and who they interact with is down to factions to moderate on their own. if you want to put an age requirement in, youre welcome to and how you want to verify and control that is in your hands. factions have and will turn applicants down if they have an age requirement and suspect the person is a minor in spite of what they say. thats due dilligence.

Edited April 8, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[Bobbias Willis]

-1 

Edited April 8, 2025 by Bobbias Willis

[Larintai]

I think its a little...hypocritical. Since factions such as PD, DOC and the like have actively and recently terminated people from their factions because they heard they were 15 or such. But yet, they have players everyone knows is younger, but they let them in even though their own rules state you must be 16 or older to work there. So if legal factions are setting age requirements which are all ran by admins mostly, then why can't there be an age requirement at least listed somewhere. Obviously as Kopi and others have stated, it would be more of an actual job than an RP server at that point, but I don't see why we can't at least have it within the rules that you SHOULD be at least 15 or whatever.

[Quietthecutie]

30 minutes ago, Larintai said:

I think its a little...hypocritical. Since factions such as PD, DOC and the like have actively and recently terminated people from their factions because they heard they were 15 or such. But yet, they have players everyone knows is younger, but they let them in even though their own rules state you must be 16 or older to work there. So if legal factions are setting age requirements which are all ran by admins mostly, then why can't there be an age requirement at least listed somewhere. Obviously as Kopi and others have stated, it would be more of an actual job than an RP server at that point, but I don't see why we can't at least have it within the rules that you SHOULD be at least 15 or whatever.

You have this backwards.

Its a faction rule, not a server rule. and its based a grounding not of protecting the underage person in case they see some RP they shouldn't, but because these factions have to have a certain level of maturity in their members.

If an applicant has been terminated by any of these factions, It would be because command was not confident they would be mature enough or wouldn't be a good fit for the faction. we have terminated grown adults for this also. 

Once more, any faction command has the right to not accept a person into their faction if they feel they would not be a good fit. Particularly with legal factions this is important because they fall under a lot more OOC scrutiny than illegal ones.

TLDR; If someone got rejected from a faction based on their age, that's shorthand for: "we do not believe you are currently mature, responsible and experienced enough to join us. apply again later." It is not a declaration of what their age is because as has been discussed, its not feasible to confirm that 100%

Edited April 9, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[Diligo]

11 hours ago, Earl Mud said:

If there's no age requirement sexual rp needs to be removed entirely. 

i hope no admins are watching me when im doing the sex thing with me wife privately... well at least no underage admins

[Diligo]

5 hours ago, defencio_ said:

Agreed. This is not an appropriate place for fifteen year olds.

There is a lot more things to do than just shouting the N word, spitting on kushes and shooting someone.

There is a place for everyone and everyone has the same right to report if something is not up their alley ORP wise.

Best thing you can do and others too is, if you believe age restriction is needed, then go in OOC chat PMs and tell the kid to get off the game.

You will all find out quickly how much they dont care about what you think where they should or shouldn't be or what they should or shouldn't be playing.  Teens are rebellious. And as admins have put it already - many of them have been positive contributions to the server.

But if you ask me if i would let my child play here - absolutely not.

[Larintai]

18 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

You have this backwards.

Its a faction rule, not a server rule. and its based a grounding not of protecting the underage person in case they see some RP they shouldn't, but because these factions have to have a certain level of maturity in their members.

If an applicant has been terminated by any of these factions, It would be because command was not confident they would be mature enough or wouldn't be a good fit for the faction. we have terminated grown adults for this also. 

Once more, any faction command has the right to not accept a person into their faction if they feel they would not be a good fit. Particularly with legal factions this is important because they fall under a lot more OOC scrutiny than illegal ones.

TLDR; If someone got rejected from a faction based on their age, that's shorthand for: "we do not believe you are currently mature, responsible and experienced enough to join us. apply again later." It is not a declaration of what their age is because as has been discussed, its not feasible to confirm that 100%

These are people who were already hired, had been working just fine, then they end up getting fired because they are considered "Underage" because upper command finds out they are under 16. I agree that it could be straight they are not a good fit or whatever other reason. But I do think a general age SUGGESTION wouldn't hurt anyone. Because the server does contain a lot of things that aren't age appropriate. I agree, it is up to the parents of said child to be watching over them, and that kids these days are over exposed just through google.  But it doesn't mean we need to be culpable in it either as a server.

[Diligo]

14 minutes ago, Larintai said:

and that kids these days are over exposed just through google.  But it doesn't mean we need to be culpable in it either as a server.

this starting to get bit off topic, but let me quickly just add one point why i think it wouldnt change anything if Age Restriction or Suggestion would be added.

imagine the hoops you need to go through to get to Eclipse Roleplay server
Buy GTA 5, install it (has age restriction on it, no way to verify you)
find out about roleplay and servers
find out about Rage MP
find out about Eclipse RP (let's say it would have age restriction/suggestion on the main page, but still no way to verify your age)
learn the rules of roleplay (actually need to think)
pass the test (actually need to think)
get into the server
find people
make friends with said people (actually need to think)
decide to become a criminal
do stupid crim shit
make bad choices (whatever it is)
get sexually assaulted or gross RP'ed on

TOO many steps, to do all that, at what point you take away the blame off the child or are they always the protected group?
You have to actually know what you are doing and understand what you are getting into.

This is not pr0n site or sex rp server, there are literally just some bad apples in the community and thats it.

EDIT:
Adding age restriction/suggestion would mean a lot more miserable ONLY TEXT roleplayers coming in.
I have no problem when people text, but if its the ONLY WAY they communicate, then im usually not interested in having them close. More a liability than useful in a VOIP server. And there are people that are also like me that dont like TEXT ROLEPLAYERS, so they might lose out on some roleplay just because of that.

Edited April 9, 2025 by Diligo

[Quietthecutie]

35 minutes ago, Diligo said:

And there are people like me that dont like TEXT ROLEPLAYERS

On a personal level i'm a text roleplayer as through disability I cannot physically talk. I understand where you are coming from but sometimes there are very legitimate reasons for a lack of speech.

[Quietthecutie]

46 minutes ago, Larintai said:

These are people who were already hired, had been working just fine, then they end up getting fired because they are considered "Underage" because upper command finds out they are under 16. I agree that it could be straight they are not a good fit or whatever other reason. But I do think a general age SUGGESTION wouldn't hurt anyone. Because the server does contain a lot of things that aren't age appropriate. I agree, it is up to the parents of said child to be watching over them, and that kids these days are over exposed just through google.  But it doesn't mean we need to be culpable in it either as a server.

As has been spoken about. there is no way to effectively enforce a general age requirement. the most effective method is the current method. asking them to confirm they are of age, and then monitoring them to see if they appear of age. 

Short of a method of verifying ID which no one wants to do, thats it.