[DISCUSSION] Sexual Harassment and Gross Roleplay

[Jordan]

31 minutes ago, Bala said:

I thought it was somewhat of rare occurrence up until maybe like 6 months ago, you'd hear the odd thing but now it's a new situation every couple weeks from someone else.

I don't know if it's because people are more willing to talk about it or if it's happening more, either way I think we've got to be more definitive about it as a community.

It isn't happening more, its not happening less, and it never stopped happening at all. Its always been a problem since my FIRST EVER day on the server i've seen it time and time again. The only reason you hear about it less is because when women go out of their way to report, with clear and decisive evidence it gets denied because of a certain clause in the rules, or because no one "said they were uncomfortable" despite the clear lack of enthusiasm in the roleplay. As it is currently the rules surrounding gross RP until recently protected those kinds of people. Even now there are ways people can squeeze their way out of it by saying "Had I known this was offending the person I would've stopped"

Because of this it has left women in the server feel powerless to do anything. Its no longer as simple as "If you see something say something" that shipped has long since sailed. Its no longer an option for some women because we've seen time and time again where women are left helpless in the face of these actions and its very disappointing to see.

I only ask that we at least start trying to find solutions to fix this. It doesn't have to be an immediate rule change, or it doesnt have to be particular people getting punishments just something that shows me that we are trying to protect our player base.

[britbritxo]

HI, MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS EXPERIENCED THIS PERSONALLY HERE!

Just because you do not see people reporting it or haven't seen a clip does not mean it is not happening and does not mean these stories aren't true. I made a post on December 2nd after witnessing and hearing about multiple events leading up to a very brave member of our community coming forward to share something that should have NEVER been allowed to happen to her—regardless of the rule in place at the time. I can assure you a large majority of the female player base was horrified, but even worse, our community had a #metoo moment. 

What proceeded to happen was MULTIPLE members of the community coming forward to me with their own heartbreaking experiences on the server both on the crim and legal side, as females or on behalf of females they know, experiences that led to out-of-character impacts for them. This is not just hearsay—there are videos, screenshots, and DMs from MULTIPLE women in the community, detailing experiences with MULTIPLE members of our community. This is not isolated.

The thing that has frustrated me the most about the community's response to this is that the entire conversation has been, "Well, they didn't report it or make a report."

The fact of the matter is, a lot of these victims have made reports, have gone to members of staff, have tried to reach out, and have felt ignored or dismissed. We are driving players away because they no longer feel comfortable playing a video game.

Again, ONE IN THREE WOMEN have experienced some kind of sexual violence, yet only 6% report it.

Why don’t they report?

1. Fear of the consequences for them (and from what multiple women have told me, they feel it will be even worse for them which has even been proven recently).
2. The stigma around reporting.
3. And most heartbreaking of all, the lack of trust in the system.

I felt some sense of relief with this rule change, only to find out that this behavior continues as recently as today. How are we allowing players with MULTIPLE GrossRP rule breaches on their records to remain in the community? These are players who have demonstrated, repeatedly, that they are not going to change their behavior. There is no grey area. The rule change should have been an indication that You've been asked to stop. Enough is enough. We are done being silent on the matter. 

There NEEDS to be a safe place for players to disclose these experiences in a way that makes them feel seen and heard. Right now, we are failing our player base. Our community deserves better.

Most importantly. To any community member reading this who has experienced this and is feeling silenced, not believed, not heard, not seen. I see you. we believe you. You deserve better.
 

[Superdizzle78]

I am very sorry this is happening to you all. I personally try to go out of my way to be chill and respectful of the female players. I would never condone any type of harassment against any female or other persons. We can only hope more attention gets brought to this matter.  

[ArcAngel]

Hello!

ECRP already has strict rules surrounding this;

"Players are only allowed to engage in sexual, torture, or disgusting roleplay if all players involved including witnesses give prior OOC consent. Such roleplay should therefore not be held in public areas or areas where players commonly visit, e.g., prison/jail.

Usage of ethnic and/or LGBT+ related slurs is considered disgusting roleplay and all parties involved must give prior OOC consent before it can be done. In addition, it must make roleplay sense for your character to want to use any racial slurs In Character.

Racism Out-of-Character is strictly forbidden. 

Any form of rape, sexual assault, or paedophilia roleplay is strictly forbidden. This includes insinuations of such actions and comments eluding to sexual assault."

 

 

Generic insults such as B****, derogatory terms insinuating a woman being with multiple men etc are not against the rules.

 

You 100% have the right to feel safe in this community, and have the ability to inform a player that certain words are triggers for you and ask them to stop, where we expect players to attempt to be amicable. We also cannot completely censor players, or else, we'll be running around calling each other silly gooses. 

 

That being said, my DMS are ALWAYS open should a female player feel targeted in this manner, uncomfortable or need someone to talk to. Bala is correct that every woman has either been or known someone that has fell victim to lude behavior and its a difficult subject for some to discuss. 

Remember, understand and uphold the rules and we should be able to maintain a safe playing environment.

[Jordan]

19 minutes ago, ArcAngel said:

Hello!

ECRP already has strict rules surrounding this;

"Players are only allowed to engage in sexual, torture, or disgusting roleplay if all players involved including witnesses give prior OOC consent. Such roleplay should therefore not be held in public areas or areas where players commonly visit, e.g., prison/jail.

Usage of ethnic and/or LGBT+ related slurs is considered disgusting roleplay and all parties involved must give prior OOC consent before it can be done. In addition, it must make roleplay sense for your character to want to use any racial slurs In Character.

Racism Out-of-Character is strictly forbidden. 

Any form of rape, sexual assault, or paedophilia roleplay is strictly forbidden. This includes insinuations of such actions and comments eluding to sexual assault."

 

 

Generic insults such as B****, derogatory terms insinuating a woman being with multiple men etc are not against the rules.

 

You 100% have the right to feel safe in this community, and have the ability to inform a player that certain words are triggers for you and ask them to stop, where we expect players to attempt to be amicable. We also cannot completely censor players, or else, we'll be running around calling each other silly gooses. 

 

That being said, my DMS are ALWAYS open should a female player feel targeted in this manner, uncomfortable or need someone to talk to. Bala is correct that every woman has either been or known someone that has fell victim to lude behavior and its a difficult subject for some to discuss. 

Remember, understand and uphold the rules and we should be able to maintain a safe playing environment.

With all due respect, my next message may sound aggressive but I only intend for it to add onto the conversation.

When you say "generic insults" people can get away with saying disgusting things like cat-calling because it has no insinuation of "sexual assault" however it still makes female players feel unsafe. Stuff like "I don't recognize you with your clothes on" Don't necessary mean "Sexual Assault" but 100% do add onto the feeling of being unsafe in the community and those people can get away with it. Not only that but I know of multiple instances where stuff like this *IS* reported such as sexual assault and it has gone unpunished and that is what this discussion is about. I'd be happy to talk more about it but its not really up to me as I personally cannot speak from the perspective of a victim. Only that I dont think the current rules in place are good enough we 100% need something better.

[ArcAngel]

1 minute ago, Jordan said:

With all due respect, my next message may sound aggressive but I only intend for it to add onto the conversation.

When you say "generic insults" people can get away with saying disgusting things like cat-calling because it has no insinuation of "sexual assault" however it still makes female players feel unsafe. Stuff like "I don't recognize you with your clothes on" Don't necessary mean "Sexual Assault" but 100% do add onto the feeling of being unsafe in the community and those people can get away with it. Not only that but I know of multiple instances where stuff like this *IS* reported such as sexual assault and it has gone unpunished and that is what this discussion is about. I'd be happy to talk more about it but its not really up to me as I personally cannot speak from the perspective of a victim. Only that I dont think the current rules in place are good enough we 100% need something better.

As I mentioned above, players are 100% welcome to DM me confidentially to discuss situations that may have made them uncomfortable. Even if it's just to discuss, digest and make sense of something.

The rules are black and white and if both parties hold themselves to these standards, we can maintain a healthy environment to play in. If one player does not, we have forum reports, in game reports and you can absolutely DM me.

[Bala]

While ECRP has rules regarding this sort of behavior, it was like all to many times, too late to the table when it comes to shutting this sort of thing down and also, providing an avenue for people to come forward in the first place. It was like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

Appreciate that going into someone's direct messages may be the shortest route towards reporting something but there is also no paper trial or accountability for whether that staff member handles that situation correctly or in a timely fashion. 

While I'm not pointing any fingers or singling people out, the reality is going to be that the admin team, like people posting in this thread and people that are in the community will have different attitudes towards this sort of thing. Some will be dead against it to the point of immediate action, some will be against it in principle, ask the group what to do and hide behind that and frankly others will see it as a non-issue altogether and do very little about it, especially if it's against someone they like.

Obviously, the response has to be appropriate and I don't think that we need to sanitize the server to where people can't insult each other. Calling someone a stupid cunt is the best part of one's day for example. But, this goes waaaay beyond that.

But we don't need gross roleplay on this server, whether it's agreed to or not. If you're on your own, as a female player on this server, with a group of people surrounding you and yelling all sorts, that's pure coercion waiting to happen. Not a case of being accepting of that roleplay but feeling like they can't say no.

New female players shouldn't have to stand at Benny's having rapey shit said to them and being threatened with kidnap, to the point they leave the server. At that point, it's too late, we've lost another member.

We have rules and a verbatim response to those rules was "Techinically, I can threaten to rape whoever I want lmfaooo" - That person is still in the community.

We have rules and those rules can only be enforced if people feel this is an environment where they will be taken seriously if they do, it's not that different from real life in that respect. 

That is why I recommended having something female lead and organised, the way it should have been dealt with months ago.

I don't doubt that there are enough good staff members on the team that would absolutely do something about stuff like this but I'm not someone that is going to be subjected to this, am I?

Those people need more than the rules we have. They shouldn't have to rely on regular community members to report these incidents to, and there are a fucking lot of them. So, there has to be more than what we have IMO.

Edited February 5, 2025 by Bala

[Fancyme]

I agree fully, I think some form of female only team should be formed to allow those to come forward and feel safe to talk to. Even if it just to talk to about a situation not escalate it further. There is just too many people that have never felt the touch of woman, piping up with some unheard shit thinking they are well cool around their friends. I understand it is difficult to moderate, its the internet - people hide behind their mic's all the time, but having some process to tackle the behaviour is not a terrible idea. Leave a note on their panel, if they continue treat it as OOC behaviour. I understand there is rules in place but people have always acted this way to females.

[Kon]

I agree with mostly everything that you've said, I don't see a place on the server for that kind of shit and i'm all up for private reports for reports of that nature to make people more likely to report and feel comfy doing so.

The only thing I don't quite like is removing ALL gross RP.

My main character Kon, has a big word scared onto his stomach from a situation where he was kidnapped and tortured many years ago, that RP happened when I was reletivly new to the server but it was one of the most emmersive experiences I've had.

I'm all up for removing sexual gross RP, but if asked for OOC and given the go-ahead I would like to keep other forms of gross RP, I don't see a reason to limit roleplay between consenting players.

[britbritxo]

1 hour ago, ArcAngel said:

Hello!

ECRP already has strict rules surrounding this;

"Players are only allowed to engage in sexual, torture, or disgusting roleplay if all players involved including witnesses give prior OOC consent. Such roleplay should therefore not be held in public areas or areas where players commonly visit, e.g., prison/jail.

Usage of ethnic and/or LGBT+ related slurs is considered disgusting roleplay and all parties involved must give prior OOC consent before it can be done. In addition, it must make roleplay sense for your character to want to use any racial slurs In Character.

Racism Out-of-Character is strictly forbidden. 

Any form of rape, sexual assault, or paedophilia roleplay is strictly forbidden. This includes insinuations of such actions and comments eluding to sexual assault."

 

 

Generic insults such as B****, derogatory terms insinuating a woman being with multiple men etc are not against the rules.

 

You 100% have the right to feel safe in this community, and have the ability to inform a player that certain words are triggers for you and ask them to stop, where we expect players to attempt to be amicable. We also cannot completely censor players, or else, we'll be running around calling each other silly gooses. 

 

That being said, my DMS are ALWAYS open should a female player feel targeted in this manner, uncomfortable or need someone to talk to. Bala is correct that every woman has either been or known someone that has fell victim to lude behavior and its a difficult subject for some to discuss. 

Remember, understand and uphold the rules and we should be able to maintain a safe playing environment.

Respectfully, this response of "we have rules" feels disappointing. The rule is not protecting players and now the rule change is being used as a weapon against players reporting. The fact that so many females are coming forward with evidence and the response should be an indication that this current system and the way the rule is still written is very clearly not working. We aren't arguing over being called a bitch or a cunt or a whore (for those players who feel offended by those comments I do see and hear you, it's not okay but for the sake of this post it is not my main point), what I am arguing is sexual assault/sexual harassment to a point where someone is asking for consent in OOC to sexually degrade another human being on the internet for their own enjoyment, or in a lot of cases, not ask at all. These are cases where players have been asked to stop, and they are still doing it and are taunting victims. People are leaving the community over this kind of behaviour. Players do not feel safe to log in on characters. Forum reporting does not feel safe. Post rule change this is still happening. Players are just not coming forward anymore because they do not feel there is a point to do so in light of the recent events. 

The rule seems to still be open to interpretation allowing for players to get away with this kind of harassment. I would ask for 3 things:

1. Multiple instances of Sexual Gross RP punishments should result in a ban. 
2. The rule needs to clearly define what constitutes this so that there is no room for misinterpretation
3. There needs to be a safe space with multiple people present to disclose in. Private dms aren't working. Forums aren't working. We are asking for help to feel safe to disclose. 

Edited February 5, 2025 by britbritxo

[Pumpkin]

1 hour ago, ArcAngel said:

As I mentioned above, players are 100% welcome to DM me confidentially to discuss situations that may have made them uncomfortable. Even if it's just to discuss, digest and make sense of something.

The rules are black and white and if both parties hold themselves to these standards, we can maintain a healthy environment to play in. If one player does not, we have forum reports, in game reports and you can absolutely DM me.

We have forum reports but they arnt working.

The very small amount of women that do bring this behaviour up and literally have said in /b that they do not consent to that specific behaviour and it still happens and yet when it’s reported it gets denied? And even more so the response to the reason of it being denied is reading atleast to me as victim blaming for the fact that they didnt remind them even though it was minutes after the reported party asked them for ooc consent 

 

We see it being denied we are angry about it being denied those same people then do it to other women. But whats the point in reporting? Before it was denied why would this time be any different all the people ive spoken to thought it was ‘black and white’ but then wheres the justice? Why should we go against our own beliefs and trust admins and above to keep the community healthy when as far as we can see they are severely failing at that

We are losing faith ( some have already lost that faith) in the people that are meant to keep this community safe and healthy

 

The community male and female and all in-between are trying to get your guy’s attention we are trying to help you guys help us by giving suggestions 

 

Simply reporting to the forums as you can clearly see from everyones responses is not working.

Edited February 5, 2025 by Pumpkin

[Alice Caruso]

1 hour ago, ArcAngel said:

Hello!

ECRP already has strict rules surrounding this;

"Players are only allowed to engage in sexual, torture, or disgusting roleplay if all players involved including witnesses give prior OOC consent. Such roleplay should therefore not be held in public areas or areas where players commonly visit, e.g., prison/jail.

Usage of ethnic and/or LGBT+ related slurs is considered disgusting roleplay and all parties involved must give prior OOC consent before it can be done. In addition, it must make roleplay sense for your character to want to use any racial slurs In Character.

Racism Out-of-Character is strictly forbidden. 

Any form of rape, sexual assault, or paedophilia roleplay is strictly forbidden. This includes insinuations of such actions and comments eluding to sexual assault."

 

 

Generic insults such as B****, derogatory terms insinuating a woman being with multiple men etc are not against the rules.

 

You 100% have the right to feel safe in this community, and have the ability to inform a player that certain words are triggers for you and ask them to stop, where we expect players to attempt to be amicable. We also cannot completely censor players, or else, we'll be running around calling each other silly gooses. 

 

That being said, my DMS are ALWAYS open should a female player feel targeted in this manner, uncomfortable or need someone to talk to. Bala is correct that every woman has either been or known someone that has fell victim to lude behavior and its a difficult subject for some to discuss. 

Remember, understand and uphold the rules and we should be able to maintain a safe playing environment.

I would very much have to agree with Britt in the sense that this response is very disappointing to say the least. With all due respect, I appreciate you taking time to respond to this thread and show that you care and want female in this community to feel safer than they do at this current time. However, to say that the rules in place do anything to support female when it comes to situations like these, then you are entirely missing the point. It is very clear that females do not feel safe. It is very clear that even though these rules are in place, females still do not feel safe. Therefore, the current rules in place are not doing the job they are intended for.

By all means people should be allowed to call one another names, I understand that it can be uncomfortable and unpleasant, however that is not the problem in hand.

Having heard many personal stories around situations, knowing females in this community fear logging in because of what might happen is an utter disgrace. Yes, rules are in place, but they are not up to standard. Certain individuals STILL take their "roleplay" too far, intended to intimidate, degrade and hurt women. A prime example of this would be the kidnapping roleplay that has seen a recent surge. 

To address this, yes it is appreciated that you have offered yourself as a contact point for this kind of incident, and yes it is well known that reports can be made about these situations too. But the forums for this community are as toxic as ever, and that simply isn't going to change, and as far as I'm aware, it has always been possible to DM admins about situations in game to seek some help and support. Clearly, female are also deterred from that too, whether it be they have not received they help and support they have been looking for, or maybe ignored (this is simply speculation I am in no way saying you as an individual are guilty of this I am just making a point). If females felt that they could turn to admins dm's to solve these issues, then this thread would not be needed.

Therefore, a private reporting area led by the females in the admin team as well as the head admins would be advantageous to solving this pressing issue - it would give the females of this community a place where they can go and speak to admins, creating a dialog around this behaviour, in a space where they feel comfortable to do so, and shutting this issue down for good. 

[Freyster]

I think what’s the most upsetting part is that theres always people thinking ‘it can’t possibly be this bad’ n then theres behind the scenes where it’s so much worse, theres enough freaks(yes, i’m using this word due to them outliving horrid fantasies in a videogame) that will try to get past any enforced rule, if you currently feel called out as a person, please respectfully you do not belong in a place like this, it doesn’t matter if you’re a male or even female who is targeting an audience to make them feel less worth than they are with your actions, you are the worst kind of human being and need to reevaluate your life choices and nothing else, please be kind to one another because you never know who’s sitting behind the monitor and what their story is, you see a character and may traumatise someone over a ‘funny moment’ in a videogame.

With that being said, in 2023 i had a tracker for the amount of times i’ve been sexualised or being called anything disgusting based on existing, i stopped counting after a week as the number was rising drastically, i was a massive dickhead but every single time hearing anything female related was crazy, shame.

big shoutout to the normal men, female’s n anyone that isn’t a freak out there x big uppies

Edited February 5, 2025 by Freyster

[risk]

Hello. 

In the interest of transparency given the sensitive nature of the topic at hand, I have brought this up for discussion with the Senior Staff team. Kindly allow us time to review in full. 

In the interim, please know your concerns are seen and heard. Please also know that in the event you are uncomfortable with raising a concern publicly, many of us on the staff team do have our DMs open and are more than happy to assist where we can in the event you need guidance, assurance, or something addressed that is intimate in nature and contains commentary you'd like to not be seen by the server. 

Thank you for your suggestion. 

[Jordan]

2 minutes ago, risk said:

Hello. 

In the interest of transparency given the sensitive nature of the topic at hand, I have brought this up for discussion with the Senior Staff team. Kindly allow us time to review in full. 

In the interim, please know your concerns are seen and heard. Please also know that in the event you are uncomfortable with raising a concern publicly, many of us on the staff team do have our DMs open and are more than happy to assist where we can in the event you need guidance, assurance, or something addressed that is intimate in nature and contains commentary you'd like to not be seen by the server. 

Thank you for your suggestion. 

While I cannot speak for the female player base of the server I can say I appreciate your communication in seeing this post and telling us what steps you and the rest of staff are taking even if it is just letting us know that the topic at hand isn't being ignored.

[Shining0103]

2 hours ago, Alice Caruso said:

Having heard many personal stories around situations, knowing females in this community fear logging in because of what might happen is an utter disgrace. Yes, rules are in place, but they are not up to standard. Certain individuals STILL take their "roleplay" too far, intended to intimidate, degrade and hurt women. A prime example of this would be the kidnapping roleplay that has seen a recent surge. 

This is what I fear tho, why not take specific actions against those specific individuals if enough concerns against them are brought up?  In the attempt to get rid of those, we might end up generalizing too much and putting rules in place that might create even bigger repercussions later on in the way the community interacts between themselves, or have the looming threat that even if someone says "bitch" as an occasional insult, you'll get the /pm for a report or labeling people for what they're not.

If logging in is an issue because you're scared of being kidnapped, then bring back kidnapping only with DM rights, where it wasn't as common and no one was fucking around as much.

On another note, I'm sorry, but if someone is calling me a slag and all sorts, implying rape and stuff "Just ICly", as a woman, I want to have the option to throw a baton in their teeth and make their experience just as miserable, not to be coddled. 

Edited February 5, 2025 by Shining0103

[Jordan]

1 minute ago, Shining0103 said:

This is what I fear tho, why not take specific actions against those specific individuals if enough concerns against them are brought up?  In the attempt to get rid of those, we might end up generalizing too much and putting rules in place that might create even bigger repercussions later on in the way the community interacts between themselves, or have the looming threat that even if someone says "bitch" as an occasional insult, you'll get the /pm for a report or labeling people for what they're not.

If logging in is an issue because you're scared of being kidnapped, then bring back kidnapping only with DM rights, where it wasn't as common and no one was fucking around as much.

On another note, I'm sorry, but if someone is calling me a slag and all sorts, implying rape and stuff "Just ICly", as a woman, I want to have the option to throw a baton in their teeth and make their experience just as miserable, not to be coddled. 

In complete honesty this makes no sense to me. There are tons of RP communities out there where stuff like this and the things that are being referenced and talked about in this conversation is bannable immediately with no chance of appeal. Now i'm not saying that SHOULD BE how it is. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that this community would not be harmed by a rule change in the interest of making our community safer. No one is saying "Make it bannable to say bitch" or "Cunt" I feel like this conversation has clearly illustrated its intention.

[Shining0103]

9 minutes ago, Jordan said:

In complete honesty this makes no sense to me. There are tons of RP communities out there where stuff like this and the things that are being referenced and talked about in this conversation is bannable immediately with no chance of appeal. Now i'm not saying that SHOULD BE how it is. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that this community would not be harmed by a rule change in the interest of making our community safer. No one is saying "Make it bannable to say bitch" or "Cunt" I feel like this conversation has clearly illustrated its intention.

You might not be saying to make those insults bannable, but I have seen instances where new rules are cranked up to 100%, and then adjusted months later. I am not against making the community safer, God forbid, I am more focused on punishing the very specific individuals who make conversations like this necessary.

Some of those communities you are talking about are streamer-friendly, (on FiveM, with a much smaller and selective player base) where people make an actual living by playing on said communities and the Twitch guidelines (even in regards to monetization) are VERY strict in terms of what you can/cant stream and its content. Thinking ECRP is just as streamer friendly is being delusional, and taking them as an example is dangerous, to say the least.

 

Edited February 5, 2025 by Shining0103

[Jordan]

Just now, Shining0103 said:

You might not be saying to make those insults bannable, but I have seen instances where new rules are cranked up to 100%, and then adjusted months later. I am not against making the community safer, God forbid, I am more focused on punishing the very specific individuals who make conversations like this necessary.

Some of those communities you are talking about are streamer-friendly, (on FiveM, with a much smaller and selective player base) where people make an actual living by playing on said communities and the Twitch guidelines (even in regards to monetization) are VERY strict in terms of what you can/cant stream and its content. Thinking ECRP is just as streamer friendly is being delusional, and taking them as an example is dangerous, to say the least.

 

For the sake of clarity I was *Not* speaking of streamer communities and I was not speaking of making ECRP a "streaming" community either. I was simply stating that there are communities that simply do not allow the things we are talking about in this discussion.

[Fancyme]

19 minutes ago, Shining0103 said:

In the attempt to get rid of those, we might end up generalizing too much and putting rules in place that might create even bigger repercussions later on in the way the community interacts between themselves, or have the looming threat that even if someone says "bitch" as an occasional insult, you'll get the /pm for a report or labeling people for what they're not.

If logging in is an issue because you're scared of being kidnapped, then bring back kidnapping only with DM rights, where it wasn't as common and no one was fucking around as much.

On another note, I'm sorry, but if someone is calling me a slag and all sorts, implying rape and stuff "Just ICly", as a woman, I want to have the option to throw a baton in their teeth and make their experience just as miserable, not to be coddled. 

Now I am no woman however I don't personally think the petty insults of "bitch" for example are really the problem. To me it's the more sexualised comments that have the sole purpose of making a woman feel uncomfortable. There has been many females commenting under this showing there is a clear lack of channel for communication for this matter, which I believe is something that should be introduced.

From my time (a few months ago and 1hr and 17 minutes last night), I don't think the kidnapping is the problem, its the behaviour switch when it's a female. If someone is kidnapped and they feel its against the rules, I'm sure they would report however if they have all these comments thrown at them, making them uncomfortable - there is much less chance of a report because the current state is scary and toxic for someone to speak out on the forums. I mean look at the event that made the recent rule change. She spoke out but due to some form of consent given, it was thrown out with no repercussions to my knowledge. Maybe my comments on that matter made that worse, in terms of toxicity which I apologise for but I think the current system of reporting these incidents is not working and toxic. 

Sure, you'd like to smack the shit out of a guy saying this to you, but not everyone will be like that - people shutdown and just don't want to play. In other cases, a woman can have a gang around her saying whatever they want and what can she do? She attempts to retaliate and she is gunned down, making a already horrible situation worse.

Yes, other servers such as the FiveM have a zero tolerance on these matters but look at how well those do with females in the community. From the servers I have played, there is a huge female player base from normal players to staff members - they are clearly doing some right.

[MrSilky]

Hi there and thank you to all who have participated in the discussion.

A private area on the forums will be made available for sensitive reports relating to gross/offensive roleplay here - https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/220-orp-reports/

We will also further clarify the offensive RP rules to give deeper clarity to what is/isn’t acceptable.