Chop Shop exploding tires

[John Nut]

Hello! A suggestion to remove the sound from tires exploding after removing them with tools. As its not realistic and people can use it against you to "know" its a chop and raid it and etc.  To remove the popping sound or make a rule against it.      Example - Someone drives past a house and hears vehicles popping from inside a built garage with walls and roofs.  They use that knowledge to their advantage to either snitch or raid themself. 

[BigDaddyReggal]

I think we should have at least some advantage when we are doing illegal activity, right now i think cops have all the advantages and its very very HARD to be a criminal so I support this little advantage for owner of chop shops. it already gives out sounds when you picking up the chop so...

[Chris_]

44 minutes ago, John Nut said:

Someone drives past a house and hears vehicles popping from inside a built garage with walls and roofs.  They use that knowledge to their advantage to either snitch or raid themself. 

Honestly think this could be considered MG on the same level of seeing someone's ID or hearing them over VoIP through a wall. 

[Cyrus Raven]

Tires popping does seem like a weird bug, but lets not pretend that dismantling an entire vehicle with absolutely no sound is somehow ''realistic''.

If the suggestion is to correct an apparent bug +1

If it's a suggestion based on realism -1 (sounds should be present during the process, just not the tire pop sound)

Edited June 14, 2022 by Cyrus Raven

[John Nut]

38 minutes ago, Cyrus Raven said:

Tires popping does seem like a weird bug, but lets not pretend that dismantling an entire vehicle with absolutely no sound is somehow ''realistic''.

If the suggestion is to correct an apparent bug +1

If it's a suggestion based on realism -1 (sounds should be present during the process, just not the tire pop sound)

Sounds should be present abselutely, personally i think its good as it is right now, just not the exploding tires.  In my opinion

[nightware]

 

On 6/14/2022 at 5:50 PM, TSK1TO said:

I think we should have at least some advantage when we are doing illegal activity, right now i think cops have all the advantages and its very very HARD to be a criminal so I support this little advantage for owner of chop shops. it already gives out sounds when you picking up the chop so...

+1

[kris giggs]

+1. I feel this is not an intended feature, and if it is, removing it should be even easier.

[Alannn]

+1!

[John Nut]

As this just happened, someone heard a tire and broke into 4 doors to eventually find out if it was a chop or not. they raided it succesfully. I heard them say "i drove past and heard a vehicle tire popping, so we raided it" 

 

realisticly if you drive in a random neighbourhood and you hear a vehicle tire popping, do you think its an illegal activity?

But if there would be someone on a roof camping or seeing me bring in a couple cars and never comming out with them, that would be a better reason for an illegal activity which gives reason to attack/rob/break into properties middle of the daytime when people are walking the streets and driving around. 

 

We need clear rules and for those vehicles tires to stop exploding as you dont blow up your cars tire by changing it.  Here in my country we change it 2-3 times a year. Never have any of my tires ever exploded using the same tool to remove them, specially not continue exploding 500 more times.  If it has to explode ingame, then let it blow up one time when removing and thats it. 

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by John Nut

[alexalex303]

-1

I think it is unrealistic to operate a chop shop in complete silence.

[IAmTurtle]

1 hour ago, SmushyTaco said:

The issue is it should be completely silent when you're not doing anything to the car but the tires still explode 24/7 regardless.

-1 I agree with alex on this. Taking a part  a car is pretty load on it’s own and the only way that we have sounds right now is the tire popping. This it should stay until they are able to give a proper fix. Secondly it’s looks like a rage issue so I doubt it will ever be fixed. 

[nightware]

8 hours ago, IAmTurtle said:

-1 I agree with alex on this. Taking a part  a car is pretty load on it’s own and the only way that we have sounds right now is the tire popping. This it should stay until they are able to give a proper fix. Secondly it’s looks like a rage issue so I doubt it will ever be fixed. 

There are a ton of other sounds, the wrench sound you can always hear, sound when you are cleaning up the debris, sound when you are removing the car lift, car hoist, tool box. Also sometimes the game bugs out and the glass does break non stop every 2 seconds aswell as the tire popping every 2 seconds, which shouldn't be normal and it's NONRP. I don't know who said that the chop shop has to be completly silent, we only pointed out the bug with the glass and the tire popping. If you really want to hear the tires pop and glass break, play it only once after we removed the door, tire. Not every 2 seconds so you can take advantage of it.

[nightware]

On 6/23/2022 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Nechro said:

There are a ton of other sounds, the wrench sound you can always hear, sound when you are cleaning up the debris, sound when you are removing the car lift, car hoist, tool box. Also sometimes the game bugs out and the glass does break non stop every 2 seconds aswell as the tire popping every 2 seconds, which shouldn't be normal and it's NONRP. I don't know who said that the chop shop has to be completly silent, we only pointed out the bug with the glass and the tire popping. If you really want to hear the tires pop and glass break, play it only once after we removed the door, tire. Not every 2 seconds so you can take advantage of it.

Also I forgot to mention that you can hear the wrench, tires popping, glass breaking, debris cleaning, dismantling the setup from very far away. Which will give away more than 60% of the houses where you could build a Chop shop, so you don't have to take advantage from a bug where you can hear the pops non stop popping. (Also you shouldn't know if it's a chop there or not since a tire can pop from being shot aswell)

Edited October 17, 2022 by Thomas Nechro

[John Nut]

17 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

-1

I think it is unrealistic to operate a chop shop in complete silence.

As we all have said more than once on this topic, non of us is saying to remove sounds.

The sounds work good right now, EXCEPT the tires blowing up when being removed with a tool. Im having a hard time understanding why people think its normal having tires exploding more than one time each, and that it in the first place blows up when removing the tires bolts and lifting it off like any other vehicle in this world. 

And having a hard time understanding why its ok to raid a house for hearing vehicle's tire popping. RP wise they dont know anything about what might go on in there. A regular man working in 7/11 might be working on his bike inside his own personal garage. A father might change from winter tires to summer tires. using tires popping as a reason to raid is using OOC knowledge that it 100% must be a chop to their IC advantage.  Just like we cant rob people at Humane Labs, even tho they are buying ingredients for an illegal activity and we know it OOC wise but not IC wise including cameras, people working and etc at Humane.  What about having people break into random houses for hearing one single vehicle's tire exploding 30 times in 3 minutes.  ONE single vehicle tire can only blow up once, then its out of air and simply cannot blow up more. 

If i walk around in a forein neighbourhood, i walk past a garage and hear the sound of a vehicle tire popping/popping noice.  Im not gonna automaticly know he is stealing cars, chopping them and selling parts.  Thats the last thing i would think off, its not justifiable thinking that, its assuming and fail rp.   BUT if i walk in the same neighbourhood or camp a house i have a sus on. I personally see cars going into the garage and never comming out again "or they watch a person lockpick a car and bring it to the garage" THAT is a good RP reason. 

 

This is how the sounds should be if it were realisticly
Removing doors, panels, wheels shouldnt make much noice at all as we are using manual tools to remove and lift it off. That doesnt make much noice, depends on how rusty the bolts are. But still shouldnt be loud enough to blow through thick walls 5-10 meter out from that wall and out on the street. 

When you start using the engine hoast there should realisticly be some metal hitting eachother and rope sounds as the engine often is tight placed in the vehicle.

Then the Saw which is automatic and makes a loud noice. Which it does ingame with the heavy metal crushing sound when cleaning/cutting. 

But when the vehicle tire is the loudest sound of them all, most loud, goes the longest distance and etc. You should see that something is wrong, and people are using it to raid it and be completely ok. 

If the tire popping cant be removed, it should be clear that its not a valid reason to raid. That does not give them a reason to believe an illegal activity is going in. 

The Chop shop update was to involve more players and more RP scenarios.  If RP is to drive past a house, hear an vehicle tire's explosion, i raid it.  Thats incredible poor RP with 0 exculation and reason.    

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by John Nut

[Puzzling]

I believe this is a bug. If you are talking about how they repeatedly pop after you take them off.

I think every interaction such as door, hood, tires have a sound once the minigame is completed. 

[nightware]

On 7/5/2022 at 10:21 PM, Puzzling said:

I believe this is a bug. If you are talking about how they repeatedly pop after you take them off.

I think every interaction such as door, hood, tires have a sound once the minigame is completed. 

"I believe this is a bug. If you are talking about how they repeatedly pop after you take them off." Yes that what we are trying to say, that thing is a bug and should be fixed

[Puzzling]

If someone comes across the tire popping issue, could you please get a video of it then we can make a solid bug report of it to try to get it fixed? Thanks.

[John Nut]

a 10 year old child today was playing basketball inside the garage of the house. He shot some hops and practised with the ball.   He did this for about 40 minutes everyday to become the best he can be.   But one day after around 15 minutes he heard som noices by the garage door. Not long after 20 armed men with masks bust inside with Shotguns and AK.  

That kid is now traumatized.  

A man working down in LSC has his own small workshop in the garage where he changes his tires or maintains his bikes and cars.  One day he decided to change his wheels as the pattterns had worn out from him doing donuts in the parking lot. He started to remove the tires before suddenly hearing something in the garage door.  Not long after 20 armed men with masks bust inside with Shotguns and AK. 

This  man is now traumatized. 

 

A pregnant mother decided to hang up some pictures of family in the garage, the started nailing the walls and hammering the pictures perfectly. But around 10 minutes after, 20 armed men with masks bust inside with Shotguns and AK.  She got a heart attack and died, two people died that day. The unborn child and mother. 
Her family is now traumatized. 

A young car thief has stolen a car and brought it into his hidden chop shop inside a garage, no one saw him drive anything inside.  He starts picking parts apart making some noise. Until 20 armed men with masks bust inside with Shotguns and AK.  They got the chop and left the young boy traumatized.    

This group of armed men robbed all theese houses in one day, but only one house had a chop inside, the rest was innocent souls being traumatized middle ofthe daytime.  only 1 out of 4 situations were a chop.      Risc>Reward.    

THIS is very poor RP.  ust by hearing a noice shouldnt be a reason to raid someones house. Specially not daytime, maybe nightime.       My suggestions is SIMPLY regulate the chop system with SIMPLE written rules like example   

-No sounds gives reasons to break into a house, but can make it suspecious so they need to INVESTIGATE further. 

-Camp the house, stake it out from a bush or roof or somewhere hidden, take "pictures" of vehicles going in and not out. Not have a reason before you RP see things go in and never come out. That gives a very good RP reason to start breaking in, then its pretty clear its something fishy going on. In this case Risc<Reward.

-Nightime could be a more freetime to start raiding garages if they are a little sus, because the streets are empty and less cops on the street RP wise. It would also make those who chops extra careful at nightime, which would be a cool thing to have ingame.  ust like people cant raid wearhouses seeing someone walk in with a crate and a gun on their hip, people shouldnt be allowed to raid people chops for nothing. 

Simply hearing some tires popping unrealisticly in the first place making it good enough reason to break in is completely insane. What if it was that kid playing basketball, or that pregnant woman putting up pictures. 

Stop being ignorant.  

Edited July 22, 2022 by John Nut

[pooria]

On 6/22/2022 at 12:30 PM, alexalex303 said:

-1

I think it is unrealistic to operate a chop shop in complete silence.

yeah its true i agree as well there should be sounds but when you actually doing some thing its not realistic for the car to explode tires repeatedly it should be only 4 sounds of that not spamming of the sound exploding over and over that not realistic at all