Earl Mud

Do it. I want all LEOs in Niobes. Offroader go brrrr.

+1 with some edits. If it has been smashed and looted 10 min. If it hasn't maybe 1 hour.

+1 or tie it to cooking lvls. Even if it's just you are able to consistently produce 3 seeds or 2 seeds than that 1 seed that pops when making seeds.

I don't see this helping the server’s crim state rn. Crim has continously been nerfed and we are desperate to get anything at this point. Pvp mentality is an issue but this isnt going to help it. Rolling labs and such whatever drugs they get will buy another weapon anyways. If you want less pvp mentality we need the bugs fixed on the non pvp crime that have had reports for months like the robbery lvls that dont do anything. We need more activity thats not just labs, stores, banks, and chops. Ppl wonder why pvp mentality became a thing its due to payouts. Why rob a store to make a little bit of money with cops instantly on your trail and camping stores when you can make money at labs without cops? Most people would rather fight 5 other crims to make their money then have to run from 10 cops and a heli to make 10k. Then why do the work to get ingredients, spend hours picking plants, when you can just rob someone? Maybe reward crims who focus more on rp than pvp? Maybe make alt rp easier to get?

That is correct but they were sold as such and people bought them with that understanding. You dont sell something with that intention then change terms without a refund option. If you spend irl money with an understanding how much IC work will be needed to get it where you want it and that changes then yeah people gonna be mad. Imagine if the apartments people paid credits for decided later we are taking away your parking spots and making you pay more to get them back. Its the same principle. I just gonna stop bringing it up. It doesn't affect me as I dont have any of these cars with hsw and I was just trying to speak up and advocate for the little player base we have left and those that have spent a lot of money on the server who want to leave cause of this. I got banned from the discord for mentioning this so theres no point in advocating anymore. I will just play the game and when concerns come up I will just turn a blind eye since bringing them up can cause so much vitriol from anyone not affected.

Same. It legit barely affects me but player retention does affect me which is why I spoke out. For some reason people always assume when a crim main brings stuff up it's about what they are losing when what I'm worried about is how this affects lots of people that aren't me.

Felt man. I don't even have an HSW besides my Firebolt. I was speaking on how others may see it and how they could be affected.

Its the principle. You dont sell something and change the terms afterwards without a way to refund. This is the type of attitude that has caused lots to leave. Its always wahhhh you want easy wins instead of looking at the actual issue and response from those affected.

You can spend money on a credit car without wanting the advantage but still be upset by the changes cause you paid for it with an understanding as to what the upgrades would cost. Why is it you feel this is helpful in anyway and addresses the concerns? Not everyone purchased one of these for hold w key wins. I have one and have never evaded in it and still upset. What do you say for my case then? No need for toxicity when people are here with a genuine concern.

Do not tie it to in game event. Some people dont play during standard operating hours.

Same with me. Hope it wasnt game too. I didnt say anything crazy or toxic just that if we cant refund it could cause people to leave. Banning people from discord for discussing the issue is not gonna help with player retention just fyi. Especially with 0 warning and a player with a squeaky clean record.

I am worried about the adverse affects this may have on the server.

Idk man...spending irl cash on shit and changing it afterwards....

Yeah agreed as well. At this point not even refund credits but the cash for those as well. This is not fair. This isn't coming from a crim who uses hsw for free evasions w key.

I made a suggestion for this as well cause some of these cars people paid irl money for with an understanding it would cost them only 100k to max them. I already know quite a few people planning to leave if this doesnt get changed cause some of them bought these through the credit store.

With the new update a lot of people are rightfully upset. They spent irl money for vehicles with an understanding the the IC cost would be around 100k to max them and now its over 10x that for some of these. I feel with the changes we should be able to now refund these with credits if we no longer want these with the changes since the IC costs changing. The transaction has changed therefore we should be able to change wanting these or not.

Preach that shit. I agree with it all besides Bayview getting combined just cause having 1 location only makes it easier for people to know where to find someone after a vehicle is damaged. Keeping Bayview is good cause it forces those situations to split people into 2 places when issues occur like fights, chases, etc.

Plus 100000000. Right now the crim rotation is stale. This could be expanded to all current scripts like stores and cars as well. Steal a certain car, rob a certain store for an increased payout to shake things up so it's not hold lab for x time, rob these stores out of the way to prevent getting caught, etc.

I think with Hobs add this would be viable and it would fix the issue the repair system was made for....the massive weapon stashes. The repair kits didnt increase gang to gang orders it increased repair kit orders. This would fix the frustrations, even out to costing the same if you are forced to lose them through time limits, and increase gang to gang relations.

The only change I have experienced personally is the FRP and it has helped a little. The other changes don't do much to the day to day things for crims. Kidnapping changes will be fun once some rp gets setup for it but we only time will tell.

Literally one of the biggest reasons I do not pvp very rarely. In real life gang situations 1 sec delay means death. If a rival gang shows up to an illegal place and its being held there shouldn't be a checklist. Whoever figures they have the checklist first shoots first gaining a massive fight advantage. As someone who prefers strategy its hard to conduct anything fight wise. Some of the escalation needs to be let go in certain areas. I dont mean no escalation but this holding a lab and you see /s hands or die outside a lab without them knowing who or how many are in the lab just so they can mark off the checklist is a behavior created by the current system.

These are things that should've been communicated cause this is the first I've heard. Glad things are changing but it's gonna be a long road to fix and idk if the people that were most negatively effected by it are gonna gain trust in time. I do appreciate your words and insight on it and I hope my negative outlook isn't seen as directed at you.

Nothing against leos in general but the issue is it's went on for far too long and people have lost trust and just aren't going to accept anything IC at this point. Attitudes of higher ups ic and ooc have pushed people away and aren't gonna return with "we adjusted some things". I appreciate things are happening but we don't personally see it in our day to day in the server especially on crim side.

As a newer member of the community this was strongly felt. I've been here a little over a year and if it wasn't for the friends I made quickly though good RP I would've left after a few months. Server has been dwindling since I arrived and watching it happen real time and seeing so many cover their eyes and ears to the issues since they didn't directly affect them until it was too late has been disheartening.

They should just add it in general. It won the vote and if they weren't serious about it it shouldn't have been on the poll in the first place. Its not unbalanced cause you still have to go cook it unless you are just selling plants which is wayyyyy less money than cooking so it evens out. Hell this could open up more rp opportunities for people who may just want to sell plants and avoid labs.