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Criminals have access to meta vehicles like the Issi Sport, Paragon, Drag and the 8F Drafter (which outpaces even the high speed when taking tight turns) while cops regularly have access to about 5 different types of vehicles. There are criminals with cars like the Itali GTO which was available for a limited amount of time for credit purchase and it takes about 10 cops and 20 minutes to be able to catch it if at all because that vehicle can floor it and reach 230 almost anywhere as it is branded as a super car. Criminals are at an insane advantage at different times of the day in chases simply out of the fact it depends who's on faction duty and has access to what vehicle because not all standard cops can just pull out a Jugular or a bike - which you can also buy too. What part is unfair? Also - if cops weren't able to access bikes... what exactly are they meant to do if you evade on a bike and send it off-road or try and follow you in a 4x4 car through a tight staircase? Let you go? These criminals vs pd threads pop up all the time and it's always the same - you are playing a criminal and you are not restricted as to what you can use and do while factions like PD and SD are restricted to regulations and conduct while trying to catch you. Use it to your advantage.

co-op i reckon

nah don't think i will pet x

it makes my frames drop to dookie

reduce time i beg

+1 got me on my knees praying for this one man

+1 immersive + engaging = interaction.

+1 Referencing reports is a good way to protect yourself from doing similar mistakes and to get a rough idea of where boundaries are set within rules since not everything is black and white when you have so many situations that have varying details that make the difference to outlining the correct rulebreak or if one is even necessary to be handed out. Having reports public is transparency and is actually a deterrent to the bias of anybody handling a report. The reason the report system was set out the way it was, was to justify each rulebreak according to what happened was because the staff handling it wanted the reported party as well as the public understand why the punishment (or lack thereof) were handed out the way they were.

+1, personalising your game makes actually playing more enjoyable. they were enjoyed by both legal and crim sides of the server.

+1 i feel horrible explaining to the newer players that we're not trying to be difficult we just have no way to check V_V

+1 3k will not stop an average crim from running around and healing multiple times, so the deterrent is almost non-existent. a new player who is just figuring things out is going to struggle. if people are abusing the healing option at pillbox whilst in fights then the people need to be dealt with, not the prices.

This statement works like a customer service situation, you get food and it’s cold and instead of blaming the chef you blame the waiter. Nobody is going to be happy about going to prison so I don’t understand what the point of this response was. I’m saying DOC needs people for interaction regardless of whether it’s an angry one or a calm one. Any interaction is rp because it’s normal for a crim to be angry that they’re going to prison? I’m not saying a crim has to be shitting rainbows while walking through the gates, because I’ve never been happy about going to prison on my crim either. Time at DOC has already been lowered and people still want to go lower. So essentially people want to run around like it’s battle royale and spend 5 minutes in jail. I already said I support the suggestion as long as it doesn’t evolve into a shit show for the rest of the server. If you can come up with a way that doesn’t have major flaws, what you have suggested sounds perfectly fine to me.

PD/SD doesn’t, it’ll be DOC missing out that will care since they’ll have nobody to rp with. The idea about deducting prison time slowly upon charges being placed, as long as you’re sat within the cruiser is reasonable, and if possible to be done, I’ll give this a suggestion a +1.

I like the idea of this suggestion but there are many issues with implementing it in a way that works, which is why I can't say +1/-1. I can't count how many times I'll have that one person just attempt to run all the time, every time, before they actually make it to DOC just to prolong the whole transportation progress after they have been tazed or cuffed. This is why when people are caught I encourage them just to own up to the crime as it makes the whole trip from the scene to DOC so much quicker if they really wish it to be that way. If you were to put this suggestion into play, from the moment you cuff somebody and they start running around like a wallop, doing the usual: resisting, getting tazed about five times over, getting back up to kick you and all the rest, they're just running down their time in DOC, which consequentially eliminates the whole point of crime scene rp and catching them at all, really. By the time you're done with all that, you'll have about 20 minutes of prison time left since most of this all happens in cuffs and never leads to them being taken off at any point unless you successfully escape and have somebody pick you up. If we're going to be honest, most of the time this is what an average arrest with a criminal looks like. Taking that into consideration, this later has a ripple effect on the guards working in DOC who experience pretty much almost the same thing but enclosed in a 5x5 boxed up building after PD hands the suspect(s) over, so there is no real "punishment" because you can just run around annoying the fuck out of everybody until your time is done or almost out limiting the interactions that DOC can have. Either way, most of the time on a scene, there is one suspect per unit/officer and once the investigation is done with the criminal that you are currently with, you're cleared to transport which then comes back to the point I always make about just admitting what you've done if you're really rearing to go to DOC and "just start your time". To me, I don't like to hear that phrase being said due to the fact most of the time the crim has already got their half an hour of fun whether its evading or shooting, and to rush a cop trying to do the same is just a bit unfair. This suggestion is mainly tailored towards larger and more complicated scenes such as a shootout that will later involve multiple people being arrested and transported together in a group, which is fine, but it just simply doesn't work in an every day arrest situation. Personally, whilst playing on my crim, on bigger scenes like this when all of PD are getting sorted out and concluding evidence and charges or impounding cars, I take this as a down time to chill from the whole situation and catch a break. I don't really see it as a negative thing seeing as both sides get their opportunity to have an experience, but I definietely do understand how others just want it over and done with when they're working with a timeframe because they need to get off for work or whatever they need to do the next day and just want to play the game. My biggest advice for this kind of thing is to just work with the cops not against them when you've already been caught, because we all know that you're going to DOC one way or another unless by some chance your escape plan works or you want to appeal the charges. If you desperately need to get off the game, then this kind of thing can very easily be sorted out between players without an issue if you've done your part in making the rp a good experience for both sides.

+1 every time i go to pillbox my blood pressure seems to rise

Coming from a person that has now delved into PD since last month, I am somebody that has played crim for the past 2 years almost and only crim for a year now on this server - not one person from PD/SD sits outside labs because it is known that you will be punished for this and it is stressed so much. This is spoken about on an OOC level and monitored closely due to the fact the concern is raised so much through all the complaints that have been stated on the forums and in game. If you do, you are going to be receiving a punishment, and PD command encourages you to share POV. I have even confronted these said infamous people MYSELF that have been accused of "sitting outside labs" in a one to one conversation, with full honesty coming from both sides. They don't just sit there and this is something that I 100% believed too, yes, I thought they just sat there for the LONGEST time. This is without naming anybody. If they are lingering nearby, it's most likely because they have something on you like a freq or a call about illegal activity. Plus all the people who forget to turn their phones off. I recently found out that the reason a lab that I was in was pushed because a detective had access to a freq, whereas at the time, I thought they were sat there for the hell of it lol. Most of the time these guys are just driving through and unfortunately for you, you got pushed or a fight broke out in that exact moment which forced them to respond. In my experience, I have seen PD push a lab that I am in about 4 times since March on my crim. Just another thing - you'd be surprised how many civilians/random players will call about hearing shots near a lab because I never expected it myself either, and shots are LOUD. If you start a fight at Sealab, and a cop is driving on the highway, they will hear the shots, they will respond. I also understand the frustration of being arrested, losing all your guns/drugs and so forth while PD just does a command on a cruiser and gets them all back once they run from pillbox. However, you need to question what is it that you strive for on a server - realism or fun? From the debates that I've engaged in nobody can decide whether they want the server to be fun or realistic. If you're going for realism, criminals are ALWAYS going to be disadvantaged by a organization that is funded by the government. If you are a name that has popped up in several conversations, arrests, bank robberies and etc, you are going to be investigated or considered on a file. If you shoot at PD multiple times a week to a month, you are GOING to be supressed. If you don't want to be supressed for killing 3 or even 5 cops, letting a single cop live to tell the story, can you tell me why not and how that makes sense? If you're known for evading when you're being pulled over for any reason, backup IS going to come. The amount of backup that comes depends on how many officers are free at that given time (sometimes people are even asked to drop response because its excessive and there are other things to focus on). Some people even decide to turn a simple .50 arrest that takes 20-30 minutes at Mission Row into a 3 hour DOC sentence because they want to flame a cop just because they've been caught lacking or because they don't want to lose a .50. I've seen major gangs turn a 3 person arrest into a 15v15 shootout and then be surprised the next day as to why cops are pulling them out of cars. You can't say that it's not realistic for cops to have a certain types of guns because it's also not realistic to go to a bank every Friday night and rinse the vault for all the packs. It's also not realistic for criminals to drive past a scene of 15 cops and shoot just to get one guy out. It was also not realistic to have 4 gangs on one freq working together (taking realism into account) due to many different goals, personalities etc. and yet that still happened until it was disallowed because of the fact that it was unbearable for the other side of the server, but we as criminals enjoyed every bit of it. We still talk about it to this day about how that was the golden age of the server while the more seasoned LEO's talk about it as if they have PTSD. I've also been pulled out of my own car by cops so many times. Yes it was frustrating. Though I wasn't really surprised and I'm still not. My faction had shot at cops the other day and I was known for riding around with @PhenomenalX and evading cops 24/7 BECAUSE I was strapped 24/7. He on the other hand is a criminal that has been known on the server for YEARS, has millions in his bank and most of the time probably has a gun on him. Of course we are getting pulled out. The more experienced players in PD will know this, the only reason you evade is because you have something, we as criminals know this too. It's obviously ass to sit at DOC for 2-3 hours, but you make money if you are there at a down time and get stamps while watching a movie instead of AFK'ing the whole time you can make up to 100k which is probably more than you lost out on. I've seen factions such as Underground (who's main goal is actually to fight cops), be pushed by PD and have all their houses raided but they do this and understand the repercussions. PD/SD at the moment isn't even really the issue, it's the lack of interaction criminals can have with each other outside of shooting each other and rolling labs. I agree with you, but not the whole way, especially about kicking half of the roster out of each faction. There are SOME cops that push(ed) the limits, but that's only because they've memorised the handbook/regulations in and out and know what they can and can't do. The penal code and laws are always being adjusted. This isn't 2020-21, we are talking about a server that has evolved 2 years past that point. Some labs are placed in inconvenient locations, such as LSD, where a cop can drive from Stab City into Sandy and hear your shots. Just to add onto another point, there is almost never more than 20 LEO's online for PD throughout the week. The numbers go to about 10-15 most of the time. That's already one faction that is limited to one jurisdiction, that would be PD for the city and SD for north. Obviously, as it is, on a Saturday those numbers may spike to about 20, but it's the same for criminals because it's a weekend. My criminal faction on a Sunday night is able to rack up about 20 people just for a meeting (this was just yesterday), whether people have the time to stay is another issue, but this is the same for any and all factions. Criminals need to be given more activities and venues to take to not be caught out by PD, but this comes down to development - not a faction. This has also been discussed on PD's side, because everybody gets it. They get it, we get it. An example such as burner phones should be introduced so criminals can not be tracked by GnD and people have suggested so much more, but again this is down to the developers. Some rules need to be adjusted, such as the DM rule, but that is all down to administration and devs. The criminal side of the server is in a bad state but that is due to the lack of things to do, not because of one faction or the other. More activities/workarounds for criminals = more things for PD to do. We all win.

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